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		<title>By: floyd</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/no_media_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-72037</link>
		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if only soldiers get to have an opinion, then many of them have died for nothing. most american soldiers fight for everyone&#039;s right to speak, not just their own. to say otherwise is to insult their sacrifice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if only soldiers get to have an opinion, then many of them have died for nothing. most american soldiers fight for everyone's right to speak, not just their own. to say otherwise is to insult their sacrifice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Rhoads (vnjagvet)</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/no_media_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-72033</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Rhoads (vnjagvet)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 02:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucky:

I agree with you that everyone has a right to express his/her opinion on the wisdom or not of this war.  Veterans have as right to express their opinions, too.  They have their own unique perspective.

I served four years in the Army and one in RVN as a young man.  I have strong opinions about those experiences.  I have no problems listening to colleagues with whom I served express opinions about that war that are different from mine.

But this post was about a news story which offered the reporter&#039;s slanted opinion (that Iraq is like Vietnam) and supported it with what he intended to be an &quot;authoritative&quot; witness who had been in the military.

The witnesses point of view, while it lent total support to the story&#039;s point of view, lent zero authority.

And that is the point.  As stated in the post, this was an editorial/opinion piece disguised as a news story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucky:</p>
<p>I agree with you that everyone has a right to express his/her opinion on the wisdom or not of this war.  Veterans have as right to express their opinions, too.  They have their own unique perspective.</p>
<p>I served four years in the Army and one in RVN as a young man.  I have strong opinions about those experiences.  I have no problems listening to colleagues with whom I served express opinions about that war that are different from mine.</p>
<p>But this post was about a news story which offered the reporter's slanted opinion (that Iraq is like Vietnam) and supported it with what he intended to be an "authoritative" witness who had been in the military.</p>
<p>The witnesses point of view, while it lent total support to the story's point of view, lent zero authority.</p>
<p>And that is the point.  As stated in the post, this was an editorial/opinion piece disguised as a news story.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/no_media_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-72000</link>
		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson:

FYI, the M-16 was not a &quot;piece of crap&quot; the problem with the firing of the weapon was the powder in the ammunition it was using, Thanks to your liberal buddy Mac intire, he overroad the experts and insisted on using ball powder rather than the stick powder recommended by the experts. A lot of guys were killed by Macintires insistance.

Phillips:

You sound like you are still in the &quot;starship&quot;  Beam me down scitty&quot;  I don&#039;t want to be near Phillips any longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson:</p>
<p>FYI, the M-16 was not a "piece of crap" the problem with the firing of the weapon was the powder in the ammunition it was using, Thanks to your liberal buddy Mac intire, he overroad the experts and insisted on using ball powder rather than the stick powder recommended by the experts. A lot of guys were killed by Macintires insistance.</p>
<p>Phillips:</p>
<p>You sound like you are still in the "starship"  Beam me down scitty"  I don't want to be near Phillips any longer.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/no_media_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-71983</link>
		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please explain how a soldier that served in Germany is in any way an authority on Iraq?

Please explain how this one soldier&#039;s opinion is any more or less relevant than any other &lt;strike&gt;citizen of this country&lt;/strike&gt; soldier?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please explain how a soldier that served in Germany is in any way an authority on Iraq?</p>
<p>Please explain how this one soldier's opinion is any more or less relevant than any other <strike>citizen of this country</strike> soldier?</p>
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		<title>By: G A PHILLIPS</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/no_media_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-71980</link>
		<dc:creator>G A PHILLIPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Din&#039;t jugde any body, and every one can say what they whant, and I would love this country to be run like starship troopers but it&#039;s not. And i am not a rebub.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Din't jugde any body, and every one can say what they whant, and I would love this country to be run like starship troopers but it's not. And i am not a rebub.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/no_media_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-71978</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good heavens, the media runs a &quot;soldier against war&quot; story---the classic &quot;man bites dog&quot; that the press generally seeks---and OTB commenters get conniption fits.

My dad recalls being in Vietnam &amp; a reporter&#039;s coming to his unit &amp; asking about the M-16, which had been getting a reputation for jamming.  

&quot;No, it&#039;s a fine weapon, you just have to take care of it&quot; was everyone&#039;s response, until the reporter found one general malcontent who hated his rifle &amp; everything else.  &quot;Oh, yeah, it&#039;s a piece of crap,&quot; etc.

Naturally, that guy ended up being quoted most prominently.  &quot;Rifle Working Just Great&quot; isn&#039;t a news headline.

If this kind of thing strikes you as &quot;media bias,&quot; get over it.  Or go read the last couple of days&#039; posts at Eschaton, and see some right-wing media bias exposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good heavens, the media runs a "soldier against war" story---the classic "man bites dog" that the press generally seeks---and OTB commenters get conniption fits.</p>
<p>My dad recalls being in Vietnam &amp; a reporter's coming to his unit &amp; asking about the M-16, which had been getting a reputation for jamming.  </p>
<p>"No, it's a fine weapon, you just have to take care of it" was everyone's response, until the reporter found one general malcontent who hated his rifle &amp; everything else.  "Oh, yeah, it's a piece of crap," etc.</p>
<p>Naturally, that guy ended up being quoted most prominently.  "Rifle Working Just Great" isn't a news headline.</p>
<p>If this kind of thing strikes you as "media bias," get over it.  Or go read the last couple of days' posts at Eschaton, and see some right-wing media bias exposed.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/no_media_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-71949</link>
		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another angle:

&#039;Hey Soldier, we&#039;ll give you five thousand bucks to say that Iraq is Viet Nam...&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's another angle:</p>
<p>'Hey Soldier, we'll give you five thousand bucks to say that Iraq is Viet Nam...'</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/no_media_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-71948</link>
		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a classic example of the Murtha Syndrome.  There are two characterisitics I can think of.  

First, is that any one with a smidgen of military experience is an &#039;authority&#039; on Iraq or terrorism (especially if their opinion is contrary).

Second, that we should be amazed that there are people in the military that have their own opinions and think for themselves.  

So they found one guy with past military experience that feels this way.  So what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a classic example of the Murtha Syndrome.  There are two characterisitics I can think of.  </p>
<p>First, is that any one with a smidgen of military experience is an 'authority' on Iraq or terrorism (especially if their opinion is contrary).</p>
<p>Second, that we should be amazed that there are people in the military that have their own opinions and think for themselves.  </p>
<p>So they found one guy with past military experience that feels this way.  So what?</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Outpost</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/no_media_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-71945</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Outpost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Daily Summary&lt;/strong&gt;

NEWS: - Bush Urges Up-or-Down Vote on Alito - Kerry&#039;s Call for Filibuster Praised and Panned - Pentagon Can Now Fund Foreign Militaries - Hamas, Like Fatah, Wants All of &#039;Palestine&#039; - EU Approves Ban on &#039;Homophobia&#039;; Christians Remain Silent...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Daily Summary</strong></p>
<p>NEWS: - Bush Urges Up-or-Down Vote on Alito - Kerry's Call for Filibuster Praised and Panned - Pentagon Can Now Fund Foreign Militaries - Hamas, Like Fatah, Wants All of 'Palestine' - EU Approves Ban on 'Homophobia'; Christians Remain Silent...</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick McGuire</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/no_media_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-71936</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it that someone who was born long after our involvement in Viet Nam would declare that Iraq is becoming our Viet Nam? Since he is a sales manager it&#039;s a safe bet he isn&#039;t a historical scholar. While this one article may not be indicative of media bias, depending on your point of view, it sure is illustrative of piss-poor journalistic standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it that someone who was born long after our involvement in Viet Nam would declare that Iraq is becoming our Viet Nam? Since he is a sales manager it's a safe bet he isn't a historical scholar. While this one article may not be indicative of media bias, depending on your point of view, it sure is illustrative of piss-poor journalistic standards.</p>
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		<title>By: George Balanchine</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Balanchine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you all are truly a bunch of nutters, completely bonkers, the lot of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you all are truly a bunch of nutters, completely bonkers, the lot of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G A PHILLIPS - obviously you are too old (Altzheimer&#039;s perhaps?) to have actually understood the point I was trying to make that he at least had a right to voice his opinion whether or not you or anyone else approved or agreed.  

Sure, you go get your gun and be on the front lines when it comes, but until you actually served in the military (which by the way I did) you have no right to judge whether or not an ex-service member has the right/no right to voice his opinion.

You might be surprised that not everyone in the military is republican.

It is The Soldier, not the reporter,

    Who has given us Freedom of the press.

It is The Soldier, not the poet,

    Who has given us Freedom of speech.

It is The Soldier, not the campus organizer,

    Who has given us Freedom to demonstrate.

It is The Soldier, not the lawyer,

    Who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is The Soldier who salutes the flag,

    Who serves under the flag and
    Whose coffin is draped by the flag
    Who allows the protester to burn the flag</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G A PHILLIPS - obviously you are too old (Altzheimer's perhaps?) to have actually understood the point I was trying to make that he at least had a right to voice his opinion whether or not you or anyone else approved or agreed.  </p>
<p>Sure, you go get your gun and be on the front lines when it comes, but until you actually served in the military (which by the way I did) you have no right to judge whether or not an ex-service member has the right/no right to voice his opinion.</p>
<p>You might be surprised that not everyone in the military is republican.</p>
<p>It is The Soldier, not the reporter,</p>
<p>    Who has given us Freedom of the press.</p>
<p>It is The Soldier, not the poet,</p>
<p>    Who has given us Freedom of speech.</p>
<p>It is The Soldier, not the campus organizer,</p>
<p>    Who has given us Freedom to demonstrate.</p>
<p>It is The Soldier, not the lawyer,</p>
<p>    Who has given us the right to a fair trial.</p>
<p>It is The Soldier who salutes the flag,</p>
<p>    Who serves under the flag and<br />
    Whose coffin is draped by the flag<br />
    Who allows the protester to burn the flag</p>
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		<title>By: G A PHILLIPS</title>
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		<dc:creator>G A PHILLIPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God my spelling sucks, must have been the liberal school I was forced to go to, then droped out of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God my spelling sucks, must have been the liberal school I was forced to go to, then droped out of.</p>
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		<title>By: G A PHILLIPS</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/no_media_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-71919</link>
		<dc:creator>G A PHILLIPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucky, thats not what this post is about, and I&#039;m to old to join up. So I must sit here at my typer and fight libs with my &quot;hatespeach&quot; and my dull wit and my bad spelling. But when the civil war in this country turns to a shooting war I will be one of the first on the front lines. that is if their are any guns left(no pun intended), I fear we will have to run out and through lawyers at each other. Oh, and lucky, don&#039;t feel bad, not knowing what a post was about never slowed my typer down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucky, thats not what this post is about, and I'm to old to join up. So I must sit here at my typer and fight libs with my "hatespeach" and my dull wit and my bad spelling. But when the civil war in this country turns to a shooting war I will be one of the first on the front lines. that is if their are any guns left(no pun intended), I fear we will have to run out and through lawyers at each other. Oh, and lucky, don't feel bad, not knowing what a post was about never slowed my typer down.</p>
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		<title>By: G A PHILLIPS</title>
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		<dc:creator>G A PHILLIPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best way I could describe their religion and where it came from. so sorry. I could go into more detail but why. Wait I got it, it&#039;s evolution, yes thats it;Communist to liberal socialist to p.c.naziunbornbabykillinIcamefromthemonkeyworspers. I hope this clears it up for you Herb, Buddy? p.s. George is that all you libs got left.(no pun intended).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best way I could describe their religion and where it came from. so sorry. I could go into more detail but why. Wait I got it, it's evolution, yes thats it;Communist to liberal socialist to p.c.naziunbornbabykillinIcamefromthemonkeyworspers. I hope this clears it up for you Herb, Buddy? p.s. George is that all you libs got left.(no pun intended).</p>
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