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		<title>By: davod</title>
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		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of the Clinton deal where they got approval to monitor one place when al the tie the NKs had move onto a different process

At least Condi has not been photographed dancing with and toasting the Great Leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of the Clinton deal where they got approval to monitor one place when al the tie the NKs had move onto a different process</p>
<p>At least Condi has not been photographed dancing with and toasting the Great Leader.</p>
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		<title>By: c. wagener</title>
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		<dc:creator>c. wagener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Shh, James! That&#039;s adding facts to the discussion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As long as no one mentions that Yongbyon had reached the end of its life we should be cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Shh, James! That's adding facts to the discussion.</p></blockquote>
<p>As long as no one mentions that Yongbyon had reached the end of its life we should be cool.</p>
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		<title>By: c. wagener</title>
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		<dc:creator>c. wagener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You do realize that they&#039;ve actually dismantled is scheduled to &quot;blow up the cooling tower of its nuclear plant at Yongbyon&quot; today?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes I do.  I&#039;ve even seen the picture at this point!  The problem is we have a rather large problem with existing weapons, uranium and proliferation.  We have a history of NK playing us for everything they can, ultimately resulting, essentially with our help, in becoming a nuclear power.

Just as I have seen the picture of the tower blown up, I assume you&#039;ve seen the pictures of a Syrian facility blown up by other means?  This is easily reversible by NK.  Let me know when their stuff (from both programs) is sitting in Tennessee. 

I really, really hope you&#039;re right and I&#039;m wrong.  Few things would be better news.  But at this point I think it&#039;s quite rational for me to want to have a friendly poker game with State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You do realize that they've actually dismantled is scheduled to "blow up the cooling tower of its nuclear plant at Yongbyon" today?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes I do.  I've even seen the picture at this point!  The problem is we have a rather large problem with existing weapons, uranium and proliferation.  We have a history of NK playing us for everything they can, ultimately resulting, essentially with our help, in becoming a nuclear power.</p>
<p>Just as I have seen the picture of the tower blown up, I assume you've seen the pictures of a Syrian facility blown up by other means?  This is easily reversible by NK.  Let me know when their stuff (from both programs) is sitting in Tennessee. </p>
<p>I really, really hope you're right and I'm wrong.  Few things would be better news.  But at this point I think it's quite rational for me to want to have a friendly poker game with State.</p>
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		<title>By: Dantheman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dantheman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shh, James!  That&#039;s adding facts to the discussion.  It makes your argument elegant and wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shh, James!  That's adding facts to the discussion.  It makes your argument elegant and wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Let&#039;s see. A promise by serial liars that we can take a look at their plutonium projects. We can&#039;t see anything regarding uranium or proliferation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You do realize that they&#039;ve actually dismantled is scheduled to &quot;blow up the cooling tower of its nuclear plant at Yongbyon&quot; today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Let's see. A promise by serial liars that we can take a look at their plutonium projects. We can't see anything regarding uranium or proliferation.</p></blockquote>
<p>You do realize that they've actually dismantled is scheduled to "blow up the cooling tower of its nuclear plant at Yongbyon" today?</p>
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		<title>By: c. wagener</title>
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		<dc:creator>c. wagener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What is this a satire blog?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It sort of reads like those &quot;Lowered Expectations Dating Service&quot; SNL skits.  Perhaps more bleakly it seems like a case of battered wife syndrome to call this progress.

Let&#039;s see.  A promise by serial liars that we can take a look at their plutonium projects.  We can&#039;t see anything regarding uranium or proliferation.

When do we get to send these guys the Statue of Liberty in exchange for some grainy photographs they&#039;ve given us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What is this a satire blog?</p></blockquote>
<p>It sort of reads like those "Lowered Expectations Dating Service" SNL skits.  Perhaps more bleakly it seems like a case of battered wife syndrome to call this progress.</p>
<p>Let's see.  A promise by serial liars that we can take a look at their plutonium projects.  We can't see anything regarding uranium or proliferation.</p>
<p>When do we get to send these guys the Statue of Liberty in exchange for some grainy photographs they've given us?</p>
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		<title>By: brainy435</title>
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		<dc:creator>brainy435</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, so you&#039;ve just conceded that Iran will have a nuke no matter what we do and want to negotiate from that frame of mind. Hell, why not? Because a rational, established nuclear power is obviously the exact same threat as an irrational, aspiring nuclear power. And here I thought national security was hard. Honestly, how can you be bewlidered by the President taking three very different actions regarding three very different threats? And conversely how could you expect the same tactics to work on differing situations? So much for the conventional wisdom that the President is the stupid one.

As for missed opportunities and all that crap, we achieved a great deal of what we wanted to achieve regarding NK and Iraq is looking like it&#039;s firmly on the road to stability... both things people said could never be accomplished by this President. So before you all go off on how this President is screwing up yet again, maybe you should zip it for a little while and let recent history sink in.

What a wasted opportunity the last 7 years have been. If we had been focused on fighting our literal enemies instead of our political ones, think what we could have done BESIDES disarming 2 states and liberating 2 others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, so you've just conceded that Iran will have a nuke no matter what we do and want to negotiate from that frame of mind. Hell, why not? Because a rational, established nuclear power is obviously the exact same threat as an irrational, aspiring nuclear power. And here I thought national security was hard. Honestly, how can you be bewlidered by the President taking three very different actions regarding three very different threats? And conversely how could you expect the same tactics to work on differing situations? So much for the conventional wisdom that the President is the stupid one.</p>
<p>As for missed opportunities and all that crap, we achieved a great deal of what we wanted to achieve regarding NK and Iraq is looking like it's firmly on the road to stability... both things people said could never be accomplished by this President. So before you all go off on how this President is screwing up yet again, maybe you should zip it for a little while and let recent history sink in.</p>
<p>What a wasted opportunity the last 7 years have been. If we had been focused on fighting our literal enemies instead of our political ones, think what we could have done BESIDES disarming 2 states and liberating 2 others.</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
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		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ambassador Hill, who has brilliantly overseen the negotiations with North Korea&quot;

What is this a satire blog?

I just heard that the North Koreans have just handed over 19 thousand pages of data so that there program can be verified.

I would suggest that this means the US and the other five countries involved have not even reviewed the data.

WTF?

Capitulation is what we have here.

One problem down.  Now lets declare peace in Galilee, agree with MOHAMED EL-BAREDEI&#039;s earlier statemets that Iran is not really a threat, and all go home. Yea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Ambassador Hill, who has brilliantly overseen the negotiations with North Korea"</p>
<p>What is this a satire blog?</p>
<p>I just heard that the North Koreans have just handed over 19 thousand pages of data so that there program can be verified.</p>
<p>I would suggest that this means the US and the other five countries involved have not even reviewed the data.</p>
<p>WTF?</p>
<p>Capitulation is what we have here.</p>
<p>One problem down.  Now lets declare peace in Galilee, agree with MOHAMED EL-BAREDEI's earlier statemets that Iran is not really a threat, and all go home. Yea.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To every question, these is an answer that is simple, elegant and wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To every question, these is an answer that is simple, elegant and wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Dantheman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dantheman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles Austin,

&quot;We&#039;ve blown it? The Iranians have desperately been wanting to tango, but we just refuse or are too clumsy to dance?&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=11539&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Yes&lt;/a&gt;

This has been another installment in Simple Answers to Simple Questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Austin,</p>
<p>"We've blown it? The Iranians have desperately been wanting to tango, but we just refuse or are too clumsy to dance?"</p>
<p><a href="http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=11539" rel="nofollow">Yes</a></p>
<p>This has been another installment in Simple Answers to Simple Questions.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. Using diplomacy instead of bombs. What a concept. Talking while keeping your powder dry is a good course.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Iran isn&#039;t the North Korea of its region, it&#039;s the China—the regional superpower.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, and it would not kill us to treat Iran with a modicum of respect, even if they do have lousy leadership (as if they are the only ones)

Enmity between the US &amp; Iran is a blunder for both countries. Potentially, we have a lot to offer each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. Using diplomacy instead of bombs. What a concept. Talking while keeping your powder dry is a good course.</p>
<blockquote><p>
Iran isn't the North Korea of its region, it's the China—the regional superpower.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, and it would not kill us to treat Iran with a modicum of respect, even if they do have lousy leadership (as if they are the only ones)</p>
<p>Enmity between the US &amp; Iran is a blunder for both countries. Potentially, we have a lot to offer each other.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But I agree that it looks as if we’ve blown it with Iran. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

We&#039;ve blown it?  The Iranians have desperately been wanting to tango, but we just refuse or are too clumsy to dance?

I don&#039;t think it has been noted enough that this makes two out of three for the Axis of Evil.  Only Iran remains, but for how long?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But I agree that it looks as if we&rsquo;ve blown it with Iran. </p></blockquote>
<p>We've blown it?  The Iranians have desperately been wanting to tango, but we just refuse or are too clumsy to dance?</p>
<p>I don't think it has been noted enough that this makes two out of three for the Axis of Evil.  Only Iran remains, but for how long?</p>
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		<title>By: c. wagener</title>
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		<dc:creator>c. wagener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps if we give Iran food, fuel and a nuclear reactor or two plus some fissionable material they too can assist Syria in developing a nuclear weapon.

Over two administrations this is one of the most incompetent policies we have ever pursued.  North Korea has yet to do anything concrete over 15 years and the State Dept. high fives themselves over this nonsense.  Sweet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps if we give Iran food, fuel and a nuclear reactor or two plus some fissionable material they too can assist Syria in developing a nuclear weapon.</p>
<p>Over two administrations this is one of the most incompetent policies we have ever pursued.  North Korea has yet to do anything concrete over 15 years and the State Dept. high fives themselves over this nonsense.  Sweet!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that this negotiation may well be a roadmap for Iran although perhaps not in the way that you might be suggesting.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
The key there is not Chinese altruism but rather the harnessing of common interests. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That, I think, is the key.  Iran isn&#039;t the North Korea of its region, it&#039;s the China&#8212;the regional superpower. We need to continue our active negotiations with Iran and the key is identifying common interests.  Despite the mau-mauing going on WRT Iran we do have them.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s too late.  We referred to China in rhetoric much stronger than we&#039;ve used against Iran for 30 or more years before the mutual relationship improved materially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this negotiation may well be a roadmap for Iran although perhaps not in the way that you might be suggesting.</p>
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The key there is not Chinese altruism but rather the harnessing of common interests.
</p></blockquote>
<p>That, I think, is the key.  Iran isn't the North Korea of its region, it's the China&mdash;the regional superpower. We need to continue our active negotiations with Iran and the key is identifying common interests.  Despite the mau-mauing going on WRT Iran we do have them.</p>
<p>I don't think it's too late.  We referred to China in rhetoric much stronger than we've used against Iran for 30 or more years before the mutual relationship improved materially.</p>
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