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		<title>By: mk</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/north_american_union_to_replace_the_usa_/comment-page-1/#comment-84733</link>
		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 04:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I scanned the CFR report and what it recommends is consonant, in spirit, with what the Bush administration seems to be doing. Especially suspicious has been Bush&#039;s characterization of the patriotic Minutemen as &quot;vigilantes,&quot; of illegals as &quot;undocumented&quot; aliens, and of the Senate amnesty bill as &quot;not an amnesty.&quot; Ad hominem and disingenuous rhetoric like that is not debate, and certainly not worthy of the President or Senators.
 
To repeat, many people have seen through the deceitful rhetoric and the absence of real action, but no one has made a persuasive case for what they meant until now. I&#039;m not a policy expert, but the actions of Bush and the Senate Republicans --two parties that represent Big Money-- seem to harmonize with the following quotations that I pulled from the think tank&#039;s report. 

Quotations from 
&quot;Building a North American Community&quot;:
http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf 


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To that end, the Task Force proposes the creation by 2010 of a North American community to enhance security, prosperity, and opportunity. We propose a community based on the principle affirmed 
in the March 2005 Joint Statement of the three leaders that â��â��our security and prosperity are mutually dependent and complementary.â��â��

Its boundaries will be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter within which the movement of people, products,
and capital will be legal, orderly, and safe. Its goal will be to guarantee a free, secure, just, and prosperous North America.

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WHAT WE SHOULD DO BY 2010
â�¢ Lay the groundwork for the freer flow of people within North America. The three governments should commit themselves to the long-term goal of dramatically diminishing the need for the 
current intensity of the governmentsâ�� physical control of cross-border traffic, travel, and trade within North America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I scanned the CFR report and what it recommends is consonant, in spirit, with what the Bush administration seems to be doing. Especially suspicious has been Bush's characterization of the patriotic Minutemen as "vigilantes," of illegals as "undocumented" aliens, and of the Senate amnesty bill as "not an amnesty." Ad hominem and disingenuous rhetoric like that is not debate, and certainly not worthy of the President or Senators.</p>
<p>To repeat, many people have seen through the deceitful rhetoric and the absence of real action, but no one has made a persuasive case for what they meant until now. I'm not a policy expert, but the actions of Bush and the Senate Republicans --two parties that represent Big Money-- seem to harmonize with the following quotations that I pulled from the think tank's report. </p>
<p>Quotations from<br />
"Building a North American Community":<br />
<a href="http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf</a> </p>
<p>Page 3:<br />
To that end, the Task Force proposes the creation by 2010 of a North American community to enhance security, prosperity, and opportunity. We propose a community based on the principle affirmed<br />
in the March 2005 Joint Statement of the three leaders that â��â��our security and prosperity are mutually dependent and complementary.â��â��</p>
<p>Its boundaries will be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter within which the movement of people, products,<br />
and capital will be legal, orderly, and safe. Its goal will be to guarantee a free, secure, just, and prosperous North America.</p>
<p>Page 10:<br />
WHAT WE SHOULD DO BY 2010<br />
â�¢ Lay the groundwork for the freer flow of people within North America. The three governments should commit themselves to the long-term goal of dramatically diminishing the need for the<br />
current intensity of the governmentsâ�� physical control of cross-border traffic, travel, and trade within North America.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 03:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly disagree with the contention by some that there is apathy and resentment towards immigrants. There is a great deal of resentment toward illegals who flaunt our laws and burden our social system as well as for the governments that created this situation and continue to encourage it. We may need these people to help sustain the economy but as the demonstrations earlier this month showed they are by no means necessary. It is in everyone&#039;s interest to lawfully admit and regulate this influx so they become integrated into the national fabric and give time for our systems to absorb them. We don&#039;t need just more people we need more American people. 

I really don&#039;t care where immigrants come from but I surely do care where they are going. By that I mean I expect them to come here to be a part of this nation leaving their ethnic, religious and political baggage behind.  Because of the great hardships and distances immigrants faced in the past  we attracted the very desperate and the very determined both of whom sought to fit in and be a part of something great and it was most assured that they came to fully participate in the American ideal. Now it is just a hop across the border or an international flight with no real attempt by many to contribute or assimilate. 

If the congress is not very careful now their legacy to our children will be a situation in the southwest akin to Quebec or worse Yugoslavia.
What is being created is an unassimilated permanent lower class that does not speak the language of success, who will be impoverished, and worse yet hopeless.
This pool of outsiders will be ripe for some demagogue to stir up resentment and violence. Just listen now to some of the rhetoric by the leaders of LARAZA and MEECHA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly disagree with the contention by some that there is apathy and resentment towards immigrants. There is a great deal of resentment toward illegals who flaunt our laws and burden our social system as well as for the governments that created this situation and continue to encourage it. We may need these people to help sustain the economy but as the demonstrations earlier this month showed they are by no means necessary. It is in everyone's interest to lawfully admit and regulate this influx so they become integrated into the national fabric and give time for our systems to absorb them. We don't need just more people we need more American people. </p>
<p>I really don't care where immigrants come from but I surely do care where they are going. By that I mean I expect them to come here to be a part of this nation leaving their ethnic, religious and political baggage behind.  Because of the great hardships and distances immigrants faced in the past  we attracted the very desperate and the very determined both of whom sought to fit in and be a part of something great and it was most assured that they came to fully participate in the American ideal. Now it is just a hop across the border or an international flight with no real attempt by many to contribute or assimilate. </p>
<p>If the congress is not very careful now their legacy to our children will be a situation in the southwest akin to Quebec or worse Yugoslavia.<br />
What is being created is an unassimilated permanent lower class that does not speak the language of success, who will be impoverished, and worse yet hopeless.<br />
This pool of outsiders will be ripe for some demagogue to stir up resentment and violence. Just listen now to some of the rhetoric by the leaders of LARAZA and MEECHA.</p>
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		<title>By: 714BOB</title>
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		<dc:creator>714BOB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 02:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lily, 

I will preface my comments with this.  I am a legal immigrant who spent a good 16 years of my life in my pursuit of U.S. Citizenship.  I am a member of the California Bar and a productive member of society.  I honor my citizenship papers and can definitely appreciate the hardship one faces in the proper citizenship path.  

I believe everyone should have an opportunity to achieve greatness in life however, the laws of the land must be respected.  Mexico enforces their borders rights and immigration law as do majority of other countries.  In fact, Mexico was just criticized for their treatment of illegal immigrants from their southern border.  

A bigger problem lies in that there is no desire to assimilate.  For example, in Southern California Arbitron has shown that spanish music and television stations have almost overtaken english stations.  If you want to see proof positive that the millions of illegal hispanics have no desire to assimilate I welcome you to spend a day with me in Orange County, CA.  Specifically where I work, Santa Ana.  

Why do you think the only flags you saw during the first protest were mexican flags.  I proudly wave the American flag.  No public relations agency had to tell me which flag to wave.  

By the way, during the day the students walked out, I endured numerous racial attacks in which I was told to get out of their land.  My buildings were covered with &quot;Mexico #1&quot; and &quot;Viva Mexico&quot; grafitti.  

I Have been in Santa Ana since the 80&#039;s and with the changes in the past ten years have seen what is in store for the future of America.  To me, amnesty in any form is a slap in my face.  I had to pay out of state tuition and was not eligible for student aid/grants because I was an foreign student even though I had resided in California since the 80&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lily, </p>
<p>I will preface my comments with this.  I am a legal immigrant who spent a good 16 years of my life in my pursuit of U.S. Citizenship.  I am a member of the California Bar and a productive member of society.  I honor my citizenship papers and can definitely appreciate the hardship one faces in the proper citizenship path.  </p>
<p>I believe everyone should have an opportunity to achieve greatness in life however, the laws of the land must be respected.  Mexico enforces their borders rights and immigration law as do majority of other countries.  In fact, Mexico was just criticized for their treatment of illegal immigrants from their southern border.  </p>
<p>A bigger problem lies in that there is no desire to assimilate.  For example, in Southern California Arbitron has shown that spanish music and television stations have almost overtaken english stations.  If you want to see proof positive that the millions of illegal hispanics have no desire to assimilate I welcome you to spend a day with me in Orange County, CA.  Specifically where I work, Santa Ana.  </p>
<p>Why do you think the only flags you saw during the first protest were mexican flags.  I proudly wave the American flag.  No public relations agency had to tell me which flag to wave.  </p>
<p>By the way, during the day the students walked out, I endured numerous racial attacks in which I was told to get out of their land.  My buildings were covered with "Mexico #1" and "Viva Mexico" grafitti.  </p>
<p>I Have been in Santa Ana since the 80's and with the changes in the past ten years have seen what is in store for the future of America.  To me, amnesty in any form is a slap in my face.  I had to pay out of state tuition and was not eligible for student aid/grants because I was an foreign student even though I had resided in California since the 80's.</p>
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		<title>By: Mensa Barbie Welcomes You</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mensa Barbie Welcomes You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 05:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;U.S. Sovereignty &amp; The Prosperity Agenda...&lt;/strong&gt;

The Senate set to pass bill (S. 2611) the largest U.S. delegation of rights given to a single foreign country on U.S. soil, in our Nation&#039;s history... A surprise bill without American vote. -FAX Now!-...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>U.S. Sovereignty &#38; The Prosperity Agenda...</strong></p>
<p>The Senate set to pass bill (S. 2611) the largest U.S. delegation of rights given to a single foreign country on U.S. soil, in our Nation's history... A surprise bill without American vote. -FAX Now!-...</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 01:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the disparity is obvious, the U.S. cowtows to mexico at every turn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the disparity is obvious, the U.S. cowtows to mexico at every turn.</p>
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		<title>By: zak822</title>
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		<dc:creator>zak822</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 18:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t laugh too loud.  This sort of thing has been a staple for Neo-Confederates and others of similar ideology for a lot of years.  

They&#039;re serious about it.  

In 1998, who thought the Project for a New American Century would become an action document?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't laugh too loud.  This sort of thing has been a staple for Neo-Confederates and others of similar ideology for a lot of years.  </p>
<p>They're serious about it.  </p>
<p>In 1998, who thought the Project for a New American Century would become an action document?</p>
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		<title>By: ICallMasICM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ICallMasICM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 18:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Where was this eagle eye for bullshit in the summer of 2004? &#039;

Fixed on John &#039;Every word out of my mouth is a lie&#039; Kerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>'Where was this eagle eye for bullshit in the summer of 2004? '</p>
<p>Fixed on John 'Every word out of my mouth is a lie' Kerry</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 15:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where was this eagle eye for bullshit in the summer of 2004?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where was this eagle eye for bullshit in the summer of 2004?</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 14:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Likely, Bush is thinking for a long term solution to counter the EU, and China.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A long term solution to the EU? In the long term there will be no EU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Likely, Bush is thinking for a long term solution to counter the EU, and China.</p></blockquote>
<p>A long term solution to the EU? In the long term there will be no EU.</p>
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		<title>By: tomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 08:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez James... at least throw a bone to the guy who posted this story in your friday &quot;traffic jam&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez James... at least throw a bone to the guy who posted this story in your friday "traffic jam"...</p>
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		<title>By: lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 03:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t call anyone a lunatic.  I&#039;m not afraid of a Quebec senario; if that was going to happen it would already be the staus quo in New Mexico.  Every wave of immigration has been greeted with cries of fear.  Remember the Know Nothings?  At one point people in Washingotn and Oregon were so scared of Catholics that they passed a law requiring all children to attend public school so that they could be exposed to Protestant values.  I live in an area of high immigration.  My school has children from all over the world: India, Viet Nma, Taiwan, Korea, Guam, Samoa, Philipines, Mexico and Central America, Eastern Europe, Pakistan,Cambodia.... The valedictorian last year was a Filipina. The janitors are Russians, the carpet crew that did our remodel were Lebanese, the groundsmen are from Cambodia. Our community has a Korean shopping district, a Mexican market, Viet Namese flower growers, and restaurants of every ethnicity you could wish for. These people don&#039;t threaten America.  They are Americans now, or their children will be and I&#039;m glad to have them.  I&#039;m proud to be part of a nation that is welcoming, tolerant, and rich in cultures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn't call anyone a lunatic.  I'm not afraid of a Quebec senario; if that was going to happen it would already be the staus quo in New Mexico.  Every wave of immigration has been greeted with cries of fear.  Remember the Know Nothings?  At one point people in Washingotn and Oregon were so scared of Catholics that they passed a law requiring all children to attend public school so that they could be exposed to Protestant values.  I live in an area of high immigration.  My school has children from all over the world: India, Viet Nma, Taiwan, Korea, Guam, Samoa, Philipines, Mexico and Central America, Eastern Europe, Pakistan,Cambodia.... The valedictorian last year was a Filipina. The janitors are Russians, the carpet crew that did our remodel were Lebanese, the groundsmen are from Cambodia. Our community has a Korean shopping district, a Mexican market, Viet Namese flower growers, and restaurants of every ethnicity you could wish for. These people don't threaten America.  They are Americans now, or their children will be and I'm glad to have them.  I'm proud to be part of a nation that is welcoming, tolerant, and rich in cultures.</p>
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		<title>By: Riehl World View</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riehl World View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 03:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;God Bless North America?...&lt;/strong&gt;

James Joyner notes allegations that President Bush has a secret plan to merge Mexico, Canada and the United States.That this is just an extension of the principles of NAFTA and a recognition of the obvious fact that “collaboration in areas...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>God Bless North America?...</strong></p>
<p>James Joyner notes allegations that President Bush has a secret plan to merge Mexico, Canada and the United States.That this is just an extension of the principles of NAFTA and a recognition of the obvious fact that “collaboration in areas...</p>
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		<title>By: Hondo's World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hondo's World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 01:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Merger of the Big Three...&lt;/strong&gt;

There are rumors being written by the same authors that brought us the wonderful Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry. These rumors argue that President Bush has a secret corporate merger plan to join the United States, C...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Merger of the Big Three...</strong></p>
<p>There are rumors being written by the same authors that brought us the wonderful Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry. These rumors argue that President Bush has a secret corporate merger plan to join the United States, C...</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 22:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bush is thinking&quot;??

That would be a first...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Bush is thinking"??</p>
<p>That would be a first...</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 21:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Likely, Bush is thinking for a long term solution to counter the EU, and China.  But where we lack in comparison to the EU is the idea of supranationalism.  Europeans think of themselves more as Europeans than say Germans or French compared to Americans thinking of themselves as North Americans.

It&#039;s a good idea except for the open borders part. Sovereignty is a good thing. We could use fewer regulations on North American Trade, but obviously need the necessary restrictions on migration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Likely, Bush is thinking for a long term solution to counter the EU, and China.  But where we lack in comparison to the EU is the idea of supranationalism.  Europeans think of themselves more as Europeans than say Germans or French compared to Americans thinking of themselves as North Americans.</p>
<p>It's a good idea except for the open borders part. Sovereignty is a good thing. We could use fewer regulations on North American Trade, but obviously need the necessary restrictions on migration.</p>
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