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		<title>By: Mark-NC</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/novak-gate/comment-page-1/#comment-6352</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark-NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You end this piece by reminding us how quickly the Lewinsky story was spread by the so called &quot;liberal press&quot;.

I would say that, if this had happened under Clinton, the story would have been front page EVERYWHERE - long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You end this piece by reminding us how quickly the Lewinsky story was spread by the so called "liberal press".</p>
<p>I would say that, if this had happened under Clinton, the story would have been front page EVERYWHERE - long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Drum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Drum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story has been bubbling for a couple of months, ever since Novak&#039;s column.  And Novak admits that the CIA asked him not to mention Plame and he decided to do it anyway.

In any case, the NYT story you mention is from the previous day, and is merely the story that the Justice Dept. has decided to investigate.  The Post story is new news, and confirms that this really happened.

It stinks.  It really stinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story has been bubbling for a couple of months, ever since Novak's column.  And Novak admits that the CIA asked him not to mention Plame and he decided to do it anyway.</p>
<p>In any case, the NYT story you mention is from the previous day, and is merely the story that the Justice Dept. has decided to investigate.  The Post story is new news, and confirms that this really happened.</p>
<p>It stinks.  It really stinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this leak is a bad thing, but it&#039;s not entirely clear what role Plame plays with the CIA. Is she an undercover agent, or does she merely do some analysis-type desk work that, while &quot;classified,&quot; doesn&#039;t necessarily put her life of the life of others in danger?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this leak is a bad thing, but it's not entirely clear what role Plame plays with the CIA. Is she an undercover agent, or does she merely do some analysis-type desk work that, while "classified," doesn't necessarily put her life of the life of others in danger?</p>
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		<title>By: Apache</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apache</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I see a Democratic party apparatchik like Drum bottom feeding on a months old story, I tend to discount the message because of the messenger.

If the story gains traction through other sources, then I will take a look. Other than that, it just looks like more posturing and background noise in the run up to 2004.

I give it less attention than I do to Kucinich complaining about mind control satellites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I see a Democratic party apparatchik like Drum bottom feeding on a months old story, I tend to discount the message because of the messenger.</p>
<p>If the story gains traction through other sources, then I will take a look. Other than that, it just looks like more posturing and background noise in the run up to 2004.</p>
<p>I give it less attention than I do to Kucinich complaining about mind control satellites.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joey writes: &quot;I think this leak is a bad thing, but it&#039;s not entirely clear what role Plame plays with the CIA. Is she an undercover agent, or does she merely do some analysis-type desk work that, while &quot;classified,&quot; doesn&#039;t necessarily put her life of the life of others in danger?&quot;

The CIA has asked the Justice Department to investigate the leak. I don&#039;t think they would have bothered to do that if Plame were not an undercover agent. This is the important context that should not be overlooked.

The fact that the CIA has asked for the investigation shows that the outing was in fact significant. They wouldn&#039;t have passed it to DOJ if Plame worked in the cafeteria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joey writes: "I think this leak is a bad thing, but it's not entirely clear what role Plame plays with the CIA. Is she an undercover agent, or does she merely do some analysis-type desk work that, while "classified," doesn't necessarily put her life of the life of others in danger?"</p>
<p>The CIA has asked the Justice Department to investigate the leak. I don't think they would have bothered to do that if Plame were not an undercover agent. This is the important context that should not be overlooked.</p>
<p>The fact that the CIA has asked for the investigation shows that the outing was in fact significant. They wouldn't have passed it to DOJ if Plame worked in the cafeteria.</p>
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		<title>By: IceCold</title>
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		<dc:creator>IceCold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A leak of the sort alleged would be deplorable, and even felonious.

But what&#039;s criminal in a different sense, and incomprehensible, is why the WH or anyone close to it would get involved in a personal battle with Wilson instead of just pointing out how irrelevant his criticisms were.  The State of the Union passage relating to Iraqi uranium shopping efforts in Africa referred to a British assessment (in turn based on the work of another intel agency, probably the French), which the Brits have stated did not take any account of the allegedly forged letter on Niger that was the hook of Wilson&#039;s story.  Forged Niger letter or no, the SOTU language stands or falls on completely separate material, which neither Wilson or anyone else has (publicly) laid a glove on.

In fact, both PM Blair and a parliamentary panel have publicly stood by the UK assessment over the last several months.  Perhaps the assessment is wrong -- but no one has publicly given reasons to think so.  Yet MSNBC and AP and others routinely call the Africa/uranium report &quot;discredited&quot; -- without any basis whatever.  A pretty enlightening example of current levels of editorial integrity and competence.  

So why bother to attack Wilson at all?  Why not just point out that his criticism is irrelevant, as it fails to address the basis for the SOTU language (Brit/French intel assessment) or the issue itself?  It&#039;s hard to decide which is more troubling -- the alleged outrage of leaking classified info, or the proven outrage of failing to debunk &quot;criticism&quot; that is at variance with publicly known facts.

Separate issue:  why and how would anyone in the WH -- especially the political shop -- have any idea whether or not Wilson&#039;s spouse was a CIA employee -- clandestine or declared?  I don&#039;t believe people in the WH or NSC normally have any access to such info.  It&#039;s not as though there&#039;s a staff phone book they can just peak into.  No one is remarking on this, but to me it&#039;s the oddest aspect of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A leak of the sort alleged would be deplorable, and even felonious.</p>
<p>But what's criminal in a different sense, and incomprehensible, is why the WH or anyone close to it would get involved in a personal battle with Wilson instead of just pointing out how irrelevant his criticisms were.  The State of the Union passage relating to Iraqi uranium shopping efforts in Africa referred to a British assessment (in turn based on the work of another intel agency, probably the French), which the Brits have stated did not take any account of the allegedly forged letter on Niger that was the hook of Wilson's story.  Forged Niger letter or no, the SOTU language stands or falls on completely separate material, which neither Wilson or anyone else has (publicly) laid a glove on.</p>
<p>In fact, both PM Blair and a parliamentary panel have publicly stood by the UK assessment over the last several months.  Perhaps the assessment is wrong -- but no one has publicly given reasons to think so.  Yet MSNBC and AP and others routinely call the Africa/uranium report "discredited" -- without any basis whatever.  A pretty enlightening example of current levels of editorial integrity and competence.  </p>
<p>So why bother to attack Wilson at all?  Why not just point out that his criticism is irrelevant, as it fails to address the basis for the SOTU language (Brit/French intel assessment) or the issue itself?  It's hard to decide which is more troubling -- the alleged outrage of leaking classified info, or the proven outrage of failing to debunk "criticism" that is at variance with publicly known facts.</p>
<p>Separate issue:  why and how would anyone in the WH -- especially the political shop -- have any idea whether or not Wilson's spouse was a CIA employee -- clandestine or declared?  I don't believe people in the WH or NSC normally have any access to such info.  It's not as though there's a staff phone book they can just peak into.  No one is remarking on this, but to me it's the oddest aspect of all.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura in DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura in DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Novekgate&quot; is a great name for this. I saw somewhere they were having a contest to name this scandal, but I forget where. If I find it I will come back here and post it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Novekgate" is a great name for this. I saw somewhere they were having a contest to name this scandal, but I forget where. If I find it I will come back here and post it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob McMahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob McMahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Joe Wilson had been in the Foreign Service 15 years in 1991, he would have entered in 1976, the year I came in. He was not in the 125th class with me, maybe in the one before in that year.  I can&#039;t find his name in AFSA&#039;s retired list.  Does anyone know if he was an FSO or something else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Joe Wilson had been in the Foreign Service 15 years in 1991, he would have entered in 1976, the year I came in. He was not in the 125th class with me, maybe in the one before in that year.  I can't find his name in AFSA's retired list.  Does anyone know if he was an FSO or something else?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob McMahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob McMahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Joe Wilson had been in the Foreign Service 15 years in 1991, he would have entered in 1976, the year I came in. He was not in the 125th class with me, maybe in the one before in that year.  I can&#039;t find his name in AFSA&#039;s retired list.  Does anyone know if he was an FSO or something else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Joe Wilson had been in the Foreign Service 15 years in 1991, he would have entered in 1976, the year I came in. He was not in the 125th class with me, maybe in the one before in that year.  I can't find his name in AFSA's retired list.  Does anyone know if he was an FSO or something else?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel W. Drezner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel W. Drezner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;What could cause me to switch parties&lt;/strong&gt;
I don&#039;t normally blog on Sunday morning out of a combination of wanting to spend time with my family and general laziness. This Washington Post story, however, which folows up on an NBC story, has rousted me out of my...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What could cause me to switch parties</strong><br />
I don't normally blog on Sunday morning out of a combination of wanting to spend time with my family and general laziness. This Washington Post story, however, which folows up on an NBC story, has rousted me out of my...</p>
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		<title>By: The American Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>The American Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Plame/Wilson&lt;/strong&gt;
AintNoBadDude has a link to the Washington Post story on Plame/Wilson (to use Glenn Reynolds&#039; lable) as well as blogosphere</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Plame/Wilson</strong><br />
AintNoBadDude has a link to the Washington Post story on Plame/Wilson (to use Glenn Reynolds' lable) as well as blogosphere</p>
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		<title>By: The American Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>The American Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Plame/Wilson&lt;/strong&gt;
AintNoBadDude has a link to the Washington Post story on Plame/Wilson (to use Glenn Reynolds&#039; label) as well as blogosphere</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Plame/Wilson</strong><br />
AintNoBadDude has a link to the Washington Post story on Plame/Wilson (to use Glenn Reynolds' label) as well as blogosphere</p>
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		<title>By: Backcountry Conservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Backcountry Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Valerie Plame&lt;/strong&gt;
Phil Carter has some news and analysis from earlier regarding the Bob Novak article that reportedly blew Valerie Plame&#039;s cover as a CIA operative because her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, was a critic of Bush administration policy. Kevin Mc...

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Phil Carter has some news and analysis from earlier regarding the Bob Novak article that reportedly blew Valerie Plame's cover as a CIA operative because her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, was a critic of Bush administration policy. Kevin Mc...</p>
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