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	<title>Comments on: NYC Woman: &#8216;I’ll Never Vote for a Black Man for President&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Other than sitting in the pew of the Trinity Church in Chicago for I don&#039;t know how many years he is a genuine snow skier.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, I do note with some irony that he was there for the specific purpose of giving him self some black street creds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Other than sitting in the pew of the Trinity Church in Chicago for I don't know how many years he is a genuine snow skier.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I do note with some irony that he was there for the specific purpose of giving him self some black street creds.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Veritas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leslie Stahl should have pointed out that Hussein Obama isn&#039;t really Black so she could still vote for him. 

He doesn&#039;t really have the ghetto credentials, or real civil rights credentials. He hasn&#039;t released a Rap Album, picked a bail of cotton, witnessed a lynching or endured any hardships. Growing up in Hawaii, going Indonesia, prep school and attending  Harvard &amp; taking money from Tony Rezko don&#039;t really qualify you as Black. 

Other than sitting in the pew of the Trinity Church in Chicago for I don&#039;t know how many years he is a genuine snow skier. His kids are even blacker than he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslie Stahl should have pointed out that Hussein Obama isn't really Black so she could still vote for him. </p>
<p>He doesn't really have the ghetto credentials, or real civil rights credentials. He hasn't released a Rap Album, picked a bail of cotton, witnessed a lynching or endured any hardships. Growing up in Hawaii, going Indonesia, prep school and attending  Harvard &amp; taking money from Tony Rezko don't really qualify you as Black. </p>
<p>Other than sitting in the pew of the Trinity Church in Chicago for I don't know how many years he is a genuine snow skier. His kids are even blacker than he is.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 12:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh... and &lt;strong&gt;Glasnost&lt;/strong&gt;, I should have also added that your assumption that Republicans are racist is simply does not hold up to the historical view of the Democrat party. Even recent history.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://bitsblog.florack.us/?p=9834&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a partial list of what I mean&lt;/a&gt;.

Go ahead, &lt;strong&gt;Glasnost&lt;/strong&gt;. Explain this to us. Tell us how you&#039;re proud of being a Democrat.
&lt;strong&gt;
James:&lt;/strong&gt;

Your statement assumes that Blacks are attempting to vote their self-interest. In all honesty, given the history at the link, one wonders how that fits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh... and <strong>Glasnost</strong>, I should have also added that your assumption that Republicans are racist is simply does not hold up to the historical view of the Democrat party. Even recent history.</p>
<p><a href="http://bitsblog.florack.us/?p=9834" rel="nofollow">Here's a partial list of what I mean</a>.</p>
<p>Go ahead, <strong>Glasnost</strong>. Explain this to us. Tell us how you're proud of being a Democrat.<br />
<strong><br />
James:</strong></p>
<p>Your statement assumes that Blacks are attempting to vote their self-interest. In all honesty, given the history at the link, one wonders how that fits.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 11:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Kentucky exit polls. There&#039;s a really, strikingly large percentage of white people admitting that race was a factor in their vote down there. The sample size is a lot larger than one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Presumably, race is a factor in the votes of the 90+ percent of blacks who vote for Obama, too.  But I&#039;m not sure it matters in the end -- a Democratic primary is different than a general election.  

Obama is outpolling Clinton against McCain in national polls (RCP has it Obama +3.8,	Clinton +2.2).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Kentucky exit polls. There's a really, strikingly large percentage of white people admitting that race was a factor in their vote down there. The sample size is a lot larger than one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Presumably, race is a factor in the votes of the 90+ percent of blacks who vote for Obama, too.  But I'm not sure it matters in the end -- a Democratic primary is different than a general election.  </p>
<p>Obama is outpolling Clinton against McCain in national polls (RCP has it Obama +3.8,	Clinton +2.2).</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 11:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And if these are Democratic primary voters, than the Republican primary voters are probably worse. Not that we&#039;d know that until we saw a serious black Republican presidential candidate, if that happens before my grandchildren are dead.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nice try, Glas.
It is, however, pure conjecture.
The&lt;strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;fact&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; we have in front of us, is as you say, the significant amount of Democrats who based their vote on racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And if these are Democratic primary voters, than the Republican primary voters are probably worse. Not that we'd know that until we saw a serious black Republican presidential candidate, if that happens before my grandchildren are dead.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nice try, Glas.<br />
It is, however, pure conjecture.<br />
The<strong> <em>fact</em></strong> we have in front of us, is as you say, the significant amount of Democrats who based their vote on racism.</p>
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		<title>By: glasnost</title>
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		<dc:creator>glasnost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 05:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That some unidentified woman at a dinner party says she won&#039;t vote for a black man is less interesting in comparison.&lt;/i&gt;

James, before you dispatch this topic as a complete waste of your time, you might check the Kentucky exit polls. There&#039;s a really, strikingly large percentage of white people admitting that race was a factor in their vote down there. The sample size is a lot larger than one.

And if these are Democratic primary voters, than the Republican primary voters are probably worse. Not that we&#039;d know that until we saw a serious black Republican presidential candidate, if that happens before my grandchildren are dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That some unidentified woman at a dinner party says she won't vote for a black man is less interesting in comparison.</i></p>
<p>James, before you dispatch this topic as a complete waste of your time, you might check the Kentucky exit polls. There's a really, strikingly large percentage of white people admitting that race was a factor in their vote down there. The sample size is a lot larger than one.</p>
<p>And if these are Democratic primary voters, than the Republican primary voters are probably worse. Not that we'd know that until we saw a serious black Republican presidential candidate, if that happens before my grandchildren are dead.</p>
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		<title>By: jummy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jummy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 01:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>progressives are horrible people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>progressives are horrible people.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 01:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That makes no impression on OTB and its readers?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, let&#039;s examine who it is they&#039;re interviewing, here... &lt;strong&gt;Democrat primary voters.&lt;/strong&gt;
I thought Democrats were ABOVE race, and that they can&#039;t be racist. What&#039;s up with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That makes no impression on OTB and its readers?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, let's examine who it is they're interviewing, here... <strong>Democrat primary voters.</strong><br />
I thought Democrats were ABOVE race, and that they can't be racist. What's up with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 22:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, if one counts the votes actually cast, Clinton has more votes than Obama.  Polls can and do reflect the wishes of the poler&#039;s much more often than reality.  Kerry out polled Bush in 2004 and should have won the election handily.  Obama has not gotten to debate with anyone who would really throw him some tough questions and he has not had the Republicans run ad after ad against him to show what he really thinks and has said.  I am willing to bet Obama does about as well as George McGovern did.  No one wants a second Carter admin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, if one counts the votes actually cast, Clinton has more votes than Obama.  Polls can and do reflect the wishes of the poler's much more often than reality.  Kerry out polled Bush in 2004 and should have won the election handily.  Obama has not gotten to debate with anyone who would really throw him some tough questions and he has not had the Republicans run ad after ad against him to show what he really thinks and has said.  I am willing to bet Obama does about as well as George McGovern did.  No one wants a second Carter admin.</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 22:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve had 9 campaigns for president by 7 black candidates over the last 10 elections.
Why does everybody make such a big deal out of Barack Obama&#039;s skin color?

 Would you vote for David Axelrod if he ran directly instead of by proxy??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We've had 9 campaigns for president by 7 black candidates over the last 10 elections.<br />
Why does everybody make such a big deal out of Barack Obama's skin color?</p>
<p> Would you vote for David Axelrod if he ran directly instead of by proxy??</p>
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		<title>By: William d'Inger</title>
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		<dc:creator>William d'Inger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 22:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Just out of curiosity, is no one startled to read the quotations of people who out-and-out say they won&#039;t vote for him because he&#039;s black?&lt;/blockquote&gt;I am only mildly surprised and only because it happened at a party Leslie Stahl would attend. One would think they would vet guests for political correctness in such situations.

I have been to Chancellor&#039;s parties for visiting VIPs where B-list attendees would make inappropriate utterances just to get noticed, so no, I am not shocked.

Then too, I have to reserve judgement because the woman may have been quoted out of context. Well, that&#039;s what they say when Rev. Wright or Michelle Obama say something controversial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just out of curiosity, is no one startled to read the quotations of people who out-and-out say they won't vote for him because he's black?</p></blockquote>
<p>I am only mildly surprised and only because it happened at a party Leslie Stahl would attend. One would think they would vet guests for political correctness in such situations.</p>
<p>I have been to Chancellor's parties for visiting VIPs where B-list attendees would make inappropriate utterances just to get noticed, so no, I am not shocked.</p>
<p>Then too, I have to reserve judgement because the woman may have been quoted out of context. Well, that's what they say when Rev. Wright or Michelle Obama say something controversial.</p>
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		<title>By: steveplunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveplunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson,

It is somewhat disappointing there are people who make such statements and have such feelings but I&#039;m not startled by it.  The fact that it comes from a New York liberal doesn&#039;t surprise me either.  It&#039;s all show for those types isn&#039;t it?

For me it&#039;s his politics not his color.  But I don&#039;t see him as a black man either.  Isn&#039;t his mother white?  Why is someone considered black instead of white in this case?  I don&#039;t get it.

I do believe it is the press who makes the most of race in this election process.  It&#039;s a story they will continue to play even if the rest of the country doesn&#039;t care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson,</p>
<p>It is somewhat disappointing there are people who make such statements and have such feelings but I'm not startled by it.  The fact that it comes from a New York liberal doesn't surprise me either.  It's all show for those types isn't it?</p>
<p>For me it's his politics not his color.  But I don't see him as a black man either.  Isn't his mother white?  Why is someone considered black instead of white in this case?  I don't get it.</p>
<p>I do believe it is the press who makes the most of race in this election process.  It's a story they will continue to play even if the rest of the country doesn't care.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Just out of curiosity, is &lt;em&gt;no one&lt;/em&gt; startled to read the quotations of people who out-and-out say they won&#039;t vote for him because he&#039;s black?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nope. Then again, I&#039;ve lived a large part of my life in the South, where people are a bit more frank about that kind of thing.

Given national opinion polls which show that the man is a favorite to beat a white war hero in November&#039;s presidential election -- and is currently beating a white woman with every conceivable advantage, including having been married to a popular white president -- I&#039;m just focused on the big picture.  

The bottom line is that a biracial man named &quot;Barack Hussein Obama&quot; is the odds-on favorite to be the next president of the United States.  That some unidentified woman at a dinner party says she won&#039;t vote for a black man is less interesting in comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just out of curiosity, is <em>no one</em> startled to read the quotations of people who out-and-out say they won't vote for him because he's black?</p></blockquote>
<p>Nope. Then again, I've lived a large part of my life in the South, where people are a bit more frank about that kind of thing.</p>
<p>Given national opinion polls which show that the man is a favorite to beat a white war hero in November's presidential election -- and is currently beating a white woman with every conceivable advantage, including having been married to a popular white president -- I'm just focused on the big picture.  </p>
<p>The bottom line is that a biracial man named "Barack Hussein Obama" is the odds-on favorite to be the next president of the United States.  That some unidentified woman at a dinner party says she won't vote for a black man is less interesting in comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: William d'Inger</title>
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		<dc:creator>William d'Inger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The woman has more balls than this week&#039;s caption contest. It&#039;s too bad I can&#039;t vote for her.

Look, this is so friggin&#039; obvious that it&#039;s almost insulting to have to say it, but here&#039;s what&#039;s going to happen if Obama is the candidate:

1.) 95% of African-Americans are going to vote for him because he&#039;s black.

2.) 15% of whites are going to vote against him because he&#039;s black.

3.) Stahl is 100% certain to use those numbers as proof that white people are racists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The woman has more balls than this week's caption contest. It's too bad I can't vote for her.</p>
<p>Look, this is so friggin' obvious that it's almost insulting to have to say it, but here's what's going to happen if Obama is the candidate:</p>
<p>1.) 95% of African-Americans are going to vote for him because he's black.</p>
<p>2.) 15% of whites are going to vote against him because he's black.</p>
<p>3.) Stahl is 100% certain to use those numbers as proof that white people are racists.</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duckspeaker, we know who you are voting for, if you are able to vote.  You are going to vote the issues.  Good, did you get to hear Obama&#039;s Jimmy Carter speech recently?  The one where he stated we don&#039;t get to drive SUVs or eat as much as we want, or keep the temp at 72 degrees because of other nations?  You ever hear of liberty?  I don&#039;t think Obama has.  You are not going to steal my stuff to pay your bills, and I&#039;ll be damned if I will let the government do it for you.  Thank God for the Second Amendment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duckspeaker, we know who you are voting for, if you are able to vote.  You are going to vote the issues.  Good, did you get to hear Obama's Jimmy Carter speech recently?  The one where he stated we don't get to drive SUVs or eat as much as we want, or keep the temp at 72 degrees because of other nations?  You ever hear of liberty?  I don't think Obama has.  You are not going to steal my stuff to pay your bills, and I'll be damned if I will let the government do it for you.  Thank God for the Second Amendment.</p>
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