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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eisenhower was beloved and trusted, but it wasn&#039;t based on personal charisma (except insofar as that quality, almost incidentally, had contributed to his leadership of the Allies in WW2, and most of those who dealt with him in that role describe him as &quot;diplomatic&quot; rather than &quot;charismatic&quot;). If you watch films of Eisenhower campaigning or speaking as president (e.g., in newsreels), you&#039;re more likely to be reminded of Gerald Ford than of Ronald Reagan. To appreciate how much credibility he had, consider that the centerpiece of his 1952 campaign&#039;s foreign policy was his unadorned statement that &quot;I will go to Korea.&quot;  That was a statement with essentially no content beyond, &quot;Trust me, I&#039;ll fix it somehow.&quot; But damned if it didn&#039;t work for him, because Americans did trust him just that much. It wasn&#039;t that it was an articulate, cleverly worded statement; rather, he&#039;d already saved the world once before, so it wasn&#039;t hard for anyone to believe he could do so again.

As for Obama: I&#039;m not worried at all that Obama will attempt to translate his personality cult into a dictatorship. It&#039;s become abundantly clear to something north of 40% of Americans, at least since February, that the New Messiah has feet of clay. 

What concerns me much more is that Obama is one of his own true believers. I think he may indeed believe that he can work the same magic on Putin or Kim Jong Il or Ahmadinejad that he&#039;s worked on Chris Matthews or Harry Reid. It&#039;s that resemblance to Jack Kennedy &#151; not the charisma per se, but the cocky, arrogant self-confidence that comes with it, when the truth is that he&#039;s entirely inexperienced &#151; that scares me the most about him.  Otherwise, he&#039;s no more dangerous than any other committed tax-and-spend liberal Democrat (which is plenty dangerous, but survivable).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eisenhower was beloved and trusted, but it wasn't based on personal charisma (except insofar as that quality, almost incidentally, had contributed to his leadership of the Allies in WW2, and most of those who dealt with him in that role describe him as "diplomatic" rather than "charismatic"). If you watch films of Eisenhower campaigning or speaking as president (e.g., in newsreels), you're more likely to be reminded of Gerald Ford than of Ronald Reagan. To appreciate how much credibility he had, consider that the centerpiece of his 1952 campaign's foreign policy was his unadorned statement that "I will go to Korea."  That was a statement with essentially no content beyond, "Trust me, I'll fix it somehow." But damned if it didn't work for him, because Americans did trust him just that much. It wasn't that it was an articulate, cleverly worded statement; rather, he'd already saved the world once before, so it wasn't hard for anyone to believe he could do so again.</p>
<p>As for Obama: I'm not worried at all that Obama will attempt to translate his personality cult into a dictatorship. It's become abundantly clear to something north of 40% of Americans, at least since February, that the New Messiah has feet of clay. </p>
<p>What concerns me much more is that Obama is one of his own true believers. I think he may indeed believe that he can work the same magic on Putin or Kim Jong Il or Ahmadinejad that he's worked on Chris Matthews or Harry Reid. It's that resemblance to Jack Kennedy &#8212; not the charisma per se, but the cocky, arrogant self-confidence that comes with it, when the truth is that he's entirely inexperienced &#8212; that scares me the most about him.  Otherwise, he's no more dangerous than any other committed tax-and-spend liberal Democrat (which is plenty dangerous, but survivable).</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comparing Obama to Hitler is ridiculous!!
  Deutschland überlebte Hitler!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing Obama to Hitler is ridiculous!!<br />
  Deutschland überlebte Hitler!</p>
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		<title>By: Fence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the biggest bunk I have seen on this site in awhile.  90% of the people who will end up voting for Obama (or McCain) in November would trade their vote for two tanks of gas.  The fact that some supporters are over the top doesn&#039;t mean most people are.

And whoever wins, it certainly will be nice once again to have a President who can complete a sentence, find Tunisia on a map, and Google himself.  Oh, well, two out of three would at least be a big improvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the biggest bunk I have seen on this site in awhile.  90% of the people who will end up voting for Obama (or McCain) in November would trade their vote for two tanks of gas.  The fact that some supporters are over the top doesn't mean most people are.</p>
<p>And whoever wins, it certainly will be nice once again to have a President who can complete a sentence, find Tunisia on a map, and Google himself.  Oh, well, two out of three would at least be a big improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the Obama followers on the creepy side-mostly because they react more worshipful than realistic.

However I don&#039;t think Obama is secretly planning to be the next Hitler or anything.  I think he is charismatic though and I think he is arrogant-both entirely opinion.  But I think Hitler comparisons are over the top. 

I think in the end Obama wins and turns into a mediocre president-he won&#039;t be able to deliver on 90% of what he promises.  He is promising pie in the sky-and nobody can deliver that not even Mr. Charisma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the Obama followers on the creepy side-mostly because they react more worshipful than realistic.</p>
<p>However I don't think Obama is secretly planning to be the next Hitler or anything.  I think he is charismatic though and I think he is arrogant-both entirely opinion.  But I think Hitler comparisons are over the top. </p>
<p>I think in the end Obama wins and turns into a mediocre president-he won't be able to deliver on 90% of what he promises.  He is promising pie in the sky-and nobody can deliver that not even Mr. Charisma.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silber really is just being a loon.  He&#039;s making &lt;em&gt;precisely&lt;/em&gt; the same logical error Jonah Goldberg did&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Al McCogan is dead, therefore all dead people are Al McCogan&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Universal affirmatives can only be partially converted.

Further, Silber states, without a shred of evidence to prove his case&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;an emotion-driven response utterly devoid of coherent ideational content, a response that leads far too many people to be enthusiastically willing to believe virtually anything that Obama might proclaim and to follow him anywhere&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;If Silber has any evidence of this he should put up or STFU.  It&#039;s pretty serious stuff and as far as I can tell, it&#039;s pure whacked out, crack smoking fantasy on his part.

So, his entire thesis rests on an obvious flaw in logic combined with an unsupportable assertion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silber really is just being a loon.  He's making <em>precisely</em> the same logical error Jonah Goldberg did<br />
<blockquote><em>Al McCogan is dead, therefore all dead people are Al McCogan</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Universal affirmatives can only be partially converted.</p>
<p>Further, Silber states, without a shred of evidence to prove his case<br />
<blockquote><em>an emotion-driven response utterly devoid of coherent ideational content, a response that leads far too many people to be enthusiastically willing to believe virtually anything that Obama might proclaim and to follow him anywhere</em></p></blockquote>
<p>If Silber has any evidence of this he should put up or STFU.  It's pretty serious stuff and as far as I can tell, it's pure whacked out, crack smoking fantasy on his part.</p>
<p>So, his entire thesis rests on an obvious flaw in logic combined with an unsupportable assertion.</p>
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		<title>By: c. wagener</title>
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		<dc:creator>c. wagener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might be going out on a limb here, but perhaps there are differences between America and Germany (particularly of the 1930&#039;s).

Obama can say whatever nonsense he wants regarding how Americans can&#039;t continue to control their own thermostats or eat what that want to anymore, but neither friend nor foe of Obama will go along with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might be going out on a limb here, but perhaps there are differences between America and Germany (particularly of the 1930's).</p>
<p>Obama can say whatever nonsense he wants regarding how Americans can't continue to control their own thermostats or eat what that want to anymore, but neither friend nor foe of Obama will go along with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silber!  Put down the Jack Daniels and step away from the keyboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silber!  Put down the Jack Daniels and step away from the keyboard.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charisma is most properly measured in Kennedy units, though almost always in fractions, as 1 Kennedy is the theoretical maximum.  For convenience when talking about significantly small charisma levels, you can use Fence Post units.

Just don&#039;t ask me how many Fence Posts make up a Kennedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charisma is most properly measured in Kennedy units, though almost always in fractions, as 1 Kennedy is the theoretical maximum.  For convenience when talking about significantly small charisma levels, you can use Fence Post units.</p>
<p>Just don't ask me how many Fence Posts make up a Kennedy.</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of this is just the Internet allowing people to spiral into their own echo chambers.  I&#039;ve seen some silly Obamaphilia sure.  However, Hillaryis44 and the Ron Paul forums (and Hugh Hewitt) are filled with the same type of relentless fanboy/fangirl behaviors.  It&#039;s no real surprise that a more charismatic (and more popular) candidate will thus have a larger group of purist followers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of this is just the Internet allowing people to spiral into their own echo chambers.  I've seen some silly Obamaphilia sure.  However, Hillaryis44 and the Ron Paul forums (and Hugh Hewitt) are filled with the same type of relentless fanboy/fangirl behaviors.  It's no real surprise that a more charismatic (and more popular) candidate will thus have a larger group of purist followers.</p>
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		<title>By: od</title>
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		<dc:creator>od</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is bizarre.  Obama is charismatic, much like JFK, Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton were - which is just another way of saying, as was noted, that a lot of people like him.  And like JFK, Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton, a lot of people dislike him too.  If elected, he might or might not become a decent president. 

But to talk of comparing him to people like Hitler is over the top silly - its the kind of thing that makes it impossible to take anything else the person writes seriously.  Definitely Godwin&#039;s Law material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is bizarre.  Obama is charismatic, much like JFK, Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton were - which is just another way of saying, as was noted, that a lot of people like him.  And like JFK, Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton, a lot of people dislike him too.  If elected, he might or might not become a decent president. </p>
<p>But to talk of comparing him to people like Hitler is over the top silly - its the kind of thing that makes it impossible to take anything else the person writes seriously.  Definitely Godwin's Law material.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What is the unit of measure for charisma? Is there some sort of logarithmic scale for it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think this is a classic Potter Stewart situation. I don&#039;t know that anyone can define, let alone measure, charisma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What is the unit of measure for charisma? Is there some sort of logarithmic scale for it?</p></blockquote>
<p>I think this is a classic Potter Stewart situation. I don't know that anyone can define, let alone measure, charisma.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, my dad attended some of Hitler&#039;s speeches in person in 1938 and said that he was absolutely riveting, too.  

Just an anecdote.  I&#039;m not trying to draw an analogies of any kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, my dad attended some of Hitler's speeches in person in 1938 and said that he was absolutely riveting, too.  </p>
<p>Just an anecdote.  I'm not trying to draw an analogies of any kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton both had superb oratorical skills and charismatic personalities but neither made crowds swoon to the extent Obama does.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;ve never attended the speeches of either in person but my wife (no Clinton fan) attended one of Bill Clinton&#039;s speeches in person and came back reporting that he was absolutely rivetingly charismatic.

As charismatic as Obama?  I have no idea.  What is the unit of measure for charisma?  Is there some sort of logarithmic scale for it?</description>
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Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton both had superb oratorical skills and charismatic personalities but neither made crowds swoon to the extent Obama does.
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<p>I've never attended the speeches of either in person but my wife (no Clinton fan) attended one of Bill Clinton's speeches in person and came back reporting that he was absolutely rivetingly charismatic.</p>
<p>As charismatic as Obama?  I have no idea.  What is the unit of measure for charisma?  Is there some sort of logarithmic scale for it?</p>
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