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		<title>By: Barack America and His Trusty Sidekick</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_citizen_of_the_world/comment-page-1/#comment-507455</link>
		<dc:creator>Barack America and His Trusty Sidekick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The &#8220;Barack America&#8221; thing might actually catch on.  It&#8217;s a clever counter to all the nonsense questioning his citizenship. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The &#8220;Barack America&#8221; thing might actually catch on.  It&#8217;s a clever counter to all the nonsense questioning his citizenship. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MR</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_citizen_of_the_world/comment-page-1/#comment-507361</link>
		<dc:creator>MR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 06:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His Indonesian citizenship was automatically revoked.  There are residency and allegiance requirements to having Indonesian citizenship - not to mention a requirement to revoke your foreign citizenship at age 18 and formally re-apply for Indonesian citizenship at age 21.

Obviously, Obama didn&#039;t denounce or revoke his U.S. citizenship, which means it is impossible for him to have Indonesian dual nationality.  He also never met the minimum residency requirement (minimum 5 continuous years - Obama only lived in the country for four years).

There is a residency requirement for Kenya, too.  You must live in the country continuously for four year (Obama never lived there).  The person must also formally apply for Kenyan citizenship at age 21.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His Indonesian citizenship was automatically revoked.  There are residency and allegiance requirements to having Indonesian citizenship - not to mention a requirement to revoke your foreign citizenship at age 18 and formally re-apply for Indonesian citizenship at age 21.</p>
<p>Obviously, Obama didn't denounce or revoke his U.S. citizenship, which means it is impossible for him to have Indonesian dual nationality.  He also never met the minimum residency requirement (minimum 5 continuous years - Obama only lived in the country for four years).</p>
<p>There is a residency requirement for Kenya, too.  You must live in the country continuously for four year (Obama never lived there).  The person must also formally apply for Kenyan citizenship at age 21.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There’s no reason to doubt his loyalty to the United States&quot;

First off, he&#039;s a politician, THAT is reason enough to doubt his loyalty to the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Second, the Constitution says he must be a US CITIZEN.  It mentions not whether an individual is trustworthy.  US CITIZEN. Period.  If we are to remain a Republic, we MUST follow our own laws.  Not continually reason why its ok to bend it a little.  Bending a little leads to bending a little bit more next time, and a little bit more, a little bit more...until there really is NO law.  Which is EXACTLY why our country has gotten itself into such a mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"There&rsquo;s no reason to doubt his loyalty to the United States"</p>
<p>First off, he's a politician, THAT is reason enough to doubt his loyalty to the AMERICAN PEOPLE.</p>
<p>Second, the Constitution says he must be a US CITIZEN.  It mentions not whether an individual is trustworthy.  US CITIZEN. Period.  If we are to remain a Republic, we MUST follow our own laws.  Not continually reason why its ok to bend it a little.  Bending a little leads to bending a little bit more next time, and a little bit more, a little bit more...until there really is NO law.  Which is EXACTLY why our country has gotten itself into such a mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Does Panama give automatic citizenship to children born in Panama? Google had failed me on this question.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, not in Panama proper AT THE TIME. You would have to research the stacks of treaties on The Zone, not on Panama, to determine the citizenship status. I expect if it is anything like the various post-WW II military Status of Forces Agreements (SOFA) the children of military and diplomatic personnel are not considered citizens of the country of birth. I expect in the Zone this also covers all US citizens, but in other places it would only apply to military and diplomatic personnel. 

There are lots of gray areas here. If the Chinese Ambassador has a child in the US, is that child a US citizen? I think one of the Vienna Diplomatic Conventions says no, but some would argue the US Constitution says yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Does Panama give automatic citizenship to children born in Panama? Google had failed me on this question.</p></blockquote>
<p>McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, not in Panama proper AT THE TIME. You would have to research the stacks of treaties on The Zone, not on Panama, to determine the citizenship status. I expect if it is anything like the various post-WW II military Status of Forces Agreements (SOFA) the children of military and diplomatic personnel are not considered citizens of the country of birth. I expect in the Zone this also covers all US citizens, but in other places it would only apply to military and diplomatic personnel. </p>
<p>There are lots of gray areas here. If the Chinese Ambassador has a child in the US, is that child a US citizen? I think one of the Vienna Diplomatic Conventions says no, but some would argue the US Constitution says yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Panama give automatic citizenship to children born in Panama?  Google had failed me on this question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Panama give automatic citizenship to children born in Panama?  Google had failed me on this question.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>III... how are things at &quot;nutjobs for McCain&quot; HQ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>III... how are things at "nutjobs for McCain" HQ?</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only you, Anjin would consider it trivial as to whether or not Obama&#039;s loyalty is to this country.  We know that unless he gets to change it to whatever evil plan he has, it is not a fit place for his children.  We know that in his opinion it is no longer what it could be, what it once was.  That is the most idiotic statement by a potential President in my memory.  He gets a pass on loyalty, but actions speak louder than words, and his words are empty.  This cretin removed the American Flag from his campaign plane.  It its place is an Obama emblem.  I can think of but a few others in history who developed their own insignia.  Obama&#039;s friends and associates speak volumns to who he is and where his loyalties lie.  The Communist Frank Davis to America fan, Jeremiah Wright and on to William Proud to be an American while stomping on a flag Ayers.  People he went to school with in Indonesia say he is Muslim.  I do know we know little about the want to be President.  Having read his books, I know his is not suitable, qualified or fit to be President of the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only you, Anjin would consider it trivial as to whether or not Obama's loyalty is to this country.  We know that unless he gets to change it to whatever evil plan he has, it is not a fit place for his children.  We know that in his opinion it is no longer what it could be, what it once was.  That is the most idiotic statement by a potential President in my memory.  He gets a pass on loyalty, but actions speak louder than words, and his words are empty.  This cretin removed the American Flag from his campaign plane.  It its place is an Obama emblem.  I can think of but a few others in history who developed their own insignia.  Obama's friends and associates speak volumns to who he is and where his loyalties lie.  The Communist Frank Davis to America fan, Jeremiah Wright and on to William Proud to be an American while stomping on a flag Ayers.  People he went to school with in Indonesia say he is Muslim.  I do know we know little about the want to be President.  Having read his books, I know his is not suitable, qualified or fit to be President of the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: TLB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TLB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it&#039;s relevant. The only question is whether it&#039;s true or not, and I haven&#039;t seen any proof. As for how dual citizenship is used by foreign countries against the U.S., see &lt;a href=&quot;http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007331.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; for an example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it's relevant. The only question is whether it's true or not, and I haven't seen any proof. As for how dual citizenship is used by foreign countries against the U.S., see <a href="http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007331.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> for an example.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Whether Obama is actually a citizen of Kenya and/or Indonesia is interesting but ultimately irrelevant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;If he had obtained passports from another country, it could have implications for his obtaining a security clearance, but there’s no reason to think this is the case.  (And, indeed, one presumes any such restrictions would be inapplicable to him in any case were he elected president.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If, and I recognize this is an if at this point, he has done something that would &#039;have implications&#039; for him obtaining a security clearance, why wouldn&#039;t that be relevant to whether he should be elected. Either the rules on security clearance should be changed or his transgressing those rules is relevant to the question of whether B.O. should be trusted as president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Whether Obama is actually a citizen of Kenya and/or Indonesia is interesting but ultimately irrelevant.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>If he had obtained passports from another country, it could have implications for his obtaining a security clearance, but there&rsquo;s no reason to think this is the case.  (And, indeed, one presumes any such restrictions would be inapplicable to him in any case were he elected president.)</p></blockquote>
<p>If, and I recognize this is an if at this point, he has done something that would 'have implications' for him obtaining a security clearance, why wouldn't that be relevant to whether he should be elected. Either the rules on security clearance should be changed or his transgressing those rules is relevant to the question of whether B.O. should be trusted as president.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is in piece with the McCain strategy to keep the focus on Obama, and to keep that focus on trivia and plain old made up crap. Clearly, McCain feels he cannot win on his own merits...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is in piece with the McCain strategy to keep the focus on Obama, and to keep that focus on trivia and plain old made up crap. Clearly, McCain feels he cannot win on his own merits...</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a Michael Totten post a few years back about Turkey he talks about meeting a couple of Turkish-Americans serving their mandatory military service. Also, 20 years ago France was known to snag visiting American service members whose parents were from France but had immigrated to the USA for draft evasion. So a dual citizenship sometimes bears obligations.

As for voting, in much of Europe if you are legal resident in a country (but not a citizen) you can vote in the local elections (mayor and local tax rates) but not in the national elections. 

I have seen a service member have to formally renounce a dual citizenship to get high level security clearances (in this case it was Canadian).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a Michael Totten post a few years back about Turkey he talks about meeting a couple of Turkish-Americans serving their mandatory military service. Also, 20 years ago France was known to snag visiting American service members whose parents were from France but had immigrated to the USA for draft evasion. So a dual citizenship sometimes bears obligations.</p>
<p>As for voting, in much of Europe if you are legal resident in a country (but not a citizen) you can vote in the local elections (mayor and local tax rates) but not in the national elections. </p>
<p>I have seen a service member have to formally renounce a dual citizenship to get high level security clearances (in this case it was Canadian).</p>
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		<title>By: SpySmasher</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpySmasher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you so quick to rush in and to declare &quot;this does not matter&quot;? If it REALLY does not matter, why report it? It matters! Would Kenya elect an American? Never!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you so quick to rush in and to declare "this does not matter"? If it REALLY does not matter, why report it? It matters! Would Kenya elect an American? Never!</p>
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		<title>By: Let's Give 'em Something (dumb) to Talk About</title>
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		<dc:creator>Let's Give 'em Something (dumb) to Talk About</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wing, with their &#8220;discovery&#8221; that Barack Obama may hold dual citizenship in Kenya. As James Joyner immediately noted, this is yet another &#8220;so what?&#8221; moment. Whether Obama is actually a citizen of Kenya [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wing, with their &#8220;discovery&#8221; that Barack Obama may hold dual citizenship in Kenya. As James Joyner immediately noted, this is yet another &#8220;so what?&#8221; moment. Whether Obama is actually a citizen of Kenya [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen it, although mostly from anti-Semitic types.  I must confess, though, to finding the concept troubling even though I know a couple of people who have done precisely that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've seen it, although mostly from anti-Semitic types.  I must confess, though, to finding the concept troubling even though I know a couple of people who have done precisely that.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are more than a few Americans who would serve stints in the Israeli Army, but would not serve in the armed forces of their own country.  I haven&#039;t heard too many fuss about stripping them of their US citizenship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are more than a few Americans who would serve stints in the Israeli Army, but would not serve in the armed forces of their own country.  I haven't heard too many fuss about stripping them of their US citizenship.</p>
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