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	<title>Comments on: Obama Continues Indefinite Detention of Terrorism Suspects</title>
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		<title>By: Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Meet The New Policy, Same As The Old Policy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_continues_indefinite_detention_of_terrorism_suspects/comment-page-1/#comment-980956</link>
		<dc:creator>Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Meet The New Policy, Same As The Old Policy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] evidence that the people being held indefinitely are indeed terrorists &#8212; then this would be, as James Joyner notes, an improvement over the Bush [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] evidence that the people being held indefinitely are indeed terrorists &#8212; then this would be, as James Joyner notes, an improvement over the Bush [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nightly Ramble: The Firehouse edition &#124; BitsBlog</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_continues_indefinite_detention_of_terrorism_suspects/comment-page-1/#comment-980937</link>
		<dc:creator>Nightly Ramble: The Firehouse edition &#124; BitsBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] war and crime: One of the few places where James Joyner and I disagree: The key problem with the Bush policy wasn’t detention but rather the lack of even a modicum of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] war and crime: One of the few places where James Joyner and I disagree: The key problem with the Bush policy wasn&rsquo;t detention but rather the lack of even a modicum of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_continues_indefinite_detention_of_terrorism_suspects/comment-page-1/#comment-980918</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I recall, Clinton treated the war against us as a criminal jusrtice issue, too. A quick check shows there&#039;s still a pit in southern Manhattan providing mute testimony as to how that plan worked out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I recall, Clinton treated the war against us as a criminal jusrtice issue, too. A quick check shows there's still a pit in southern Manhattan providing mute testimony as to how that plan worked out.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_continues_indefinite_detention_of_terrorism_suspects/comment-page-1/#comment-980899</link>
		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, James, the United States did not sign all of those protocols, some of that stuff is just made-up preferences of the Red Cross, and others have no bearing on non-crime based detentions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, James, the United States did not sign all of those protocols, some of that stuff is just made-up preferences of the Red Cross, and others have no bearing on non-crime based detentions.</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_continues_indefinite_detention_of_terrorism_suspects/comment-page-1/#comment-980870</link>
		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Held until the end of hostilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Held until the end of hostilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_continues_indefinite_detention_of_terrorism_suspects/comment-page-1/#comment-980864</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Obama plans military detention of terror suspects - just not at Gitmo...&lt;/strong&gt;

Jacob Sullum is outraged, but I think it&#8217;s safe to say that we won&#8217;t see near the outcry we did over Bush and Gitmo from most of The Usual Suspects, including the Euro-elites abroad as well as Euro-elite wannabes here in the US.  Why? Rusty...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Obama plans military detention of terror suspects - just not at Gitmo...</strong></p>
<p>Jacob Sullum is outraged, but I think it&#8217;s safe to say that we won&#8217;t see near the outcry we did over Bush and Gitmo from most of The Usual Suspects, including the Euro-elites abroad as well as Euro-elite wannabes here in the US.  Why? Rusty...</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_continues_indefinite_detention_of_terrorism_suspects/comment-page-1/#comment-980862</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What modicum of due process was required under the various laws of war?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The ability to present evidence that you&#039;ve been falsely imprisoned.



&lt;blockquote&gt;According to the International Committee of the Red Cross, these fundamental rules of due process, derived from the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions, the Additional Protocols, and customary law, apply to anyone detained in connection with armed conflict or occupation:

Civilians detained for imperative reasons of security have the right of appeal, to be decided with the least possible delay, and the right to have their detention periodically reviewed. (In non-international conflict, detainees have the right to challenge the legality of their detention.)
No one may be convicted or sentenced unless he has received a fair trial affording all essential judicial guarantees, including the following rights:
to be tried by an impartial and regularly constituted court;
to be presumed innocent until proven guilty;
to be told—early on and in a language he understands—what he is accused of;
to be given the necessary rights and means of defense;
to be tried without undue delay;
to be able to examine witnesses against him;
to have the assistance of an interpreter, if necessary;
to be tried in his presence;
not to be required to testify against himself or to confess guilt;
to have judgment pronounced publicly;
to be told of his rights of appeal and what time limits there are;
to be convicted only of a crime that he himself committed;
not to be punished more than once for the same act; to be convicted only for what was a crime at the time of the act in question, and to have a sentence no more severe than the law allowed at the time of the act in question.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crimesofwar.org/thebook/due-process.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cite&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What modicum of due process was required under the various laws of war?</p></blockquote>
<p>The ability to present evidence that you've been falsely imprisoned.</p>
<blockquote><p>According to the International Committee of the Red Cross, these fundamental rules of due process, derived from the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions, the Additional Protocols, and customary law, apply to anyone detained in connection with armed conflict or occupation:</p>
<p>Civilians detained for imperative reasons of security have the right of appeal, to be decided with the least possible delay, and the right to have their detention periodically reviewed. (In non-international conflict, detainees have the right to challenge the legality of their detention.)<br />
No one may be convicted or sentenced unless he has received a fair trial affording all essential judicial guarantees, including the following rights:<br />
to be tried by an impartial and regularly constituted court;<br />
to be presumed innocent until proven guilty;<br />
to be told—early on and in a language he understands—what he is accused of;<br />
to be given the necessary rights and means of defense;<br />
to be tried without undue delay;<br />
to be able to examine witnesses against him;<br />
to have the assistance of an interpreter, if necessary;<br />
to be tried in his presence;<br />
not to be required to testify against himself or to confess guilt;<br />
to have judgment pronounced publicly;<br />
to be told of his rights of appeal and what time limits there are;<br />
to be convicted only of a crime that he himself committed;<br />
not to be punished more than once for the same act; to be convicted only for what was a crime at the time of the act in question, and to have a sentence no more severe than the law allowed at the time of the act in question.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.crimesofwar.org/thebook/due-process.html" rel="nofollow">Cite</a></p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
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		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The key problem with the Bush policy wasn’t detention but rather the lack of even a modicum of due process.  So long as the Obama administration comes up with a way to let suspects put forth evidence that they’re not who we think they are, we’ll have moved forward.  Sullum isn’t happy:&quot;

Rubbish:

What modicum of due process was required under the various laws of war?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The key problem with the Bush policy wasn&rsquo;t detention but rather the lack of even a modicum of due process.  So long as the Obama administration comes up with a way to let suspects put forth evidence that they&rsquo;re not who we think they are, we&rsquo;ll have moved forward.  Sullum isn&rsquo;t happy:"</p>
<p>Rubbish:</p>
<p>What modicum of due process was required under the various laws of war?</p>
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