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	<title>Comments on: Obama Denounces Pastor, Continuing Circular Firing Squad</title>
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		<title>By: Leaning Straight Up</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_denounces_pastor_continuing_circular_firing_squad/comment-page-1/#comment-303568</link>
		<dc:creator>Leaning Straight Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;We know Wright inspires Obama, but who inspires Wright?  James Cone...&lt;/strong&gt;

This is much scarier than I imagined.&#160; We know Wright is&#160;someone Obama has called his spiritual mentor, but who does Wright look up&#160;to? 
 
One&#160;answer, according to this article, is James Cone, and from a social or religious perspe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>We know Wright inspires Obama, but who inspires Wright?  James Cone...</strong></p>
<p>This is much scarier than I imagined.  We know Wright is someone Obama has called his spiritual mentor, but who does Wright look up to? </p>
<p>One answer, according to this article, is James Cone, and from a social or religious perspe...</p>
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		<title>By: Leaning Straight Up</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Obama&#8217;s church website still has the Black Value System, on its own page...&lt;/strong&gt;

An alert friend emailed me this link this morning.&#160; 
 
The black value system was not removed, it&#160;is on&#160;its own page.&#160; Here it is for sake of discussion: 
 
 
   
      
       
        THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM 
        
   ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Obama&#8217;s church website still has the Black Value System, on its own page...</strong></p>
<p>An alert friend emailed me this link this morning.  </p>
<p>The black value system was not removed, it is on its own page.  Here it is for sake of discussion: </p>
<p>        THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM </p>
<p>   ...</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carville&#039;s point about embarassing statements and resignations is taken, but this seems to be more of a case of stopped clocks.  Asking God to damn America, blaming 9-11 on America, and accusing America of creating the AIDS virus goes far beyond &quot;[ever] having said anything interesting.&quot;  It&#039;s beyond the pale, if indeed there is one.

Suppose Obama&#039;s association had been not with Wright but with his Muslim twin, Louis Farrakhan.  Would Obama still be the front-runner in the Democratic Primary?  Should he be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carville's point about embarassing statements and resignations is taken, but this seems to be more of a case of stopped clocks.  Asking God to damn America, blaming 9-11 on America, and accusing America of creating the AIDS virus goes far beyond "[ever] having said anything interesting."  It's beyond the pale, if indeed there is one.</p>
<p>Suppose Obama's association had been not with Wright but with his Muslim twin, Louis Farrakhan.  Would Obama still be the front-runner in the Democratic Primary?  Should he be?</p>
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		<title>By: Right Voices &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama And His God Damn Pastor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Voices &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama And His God Damn Pastor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rpkinmd</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this has not played out yet.  Senator Obama has now made statements that will no doubt cause him difficulty in the future.  The first being that he was unaware of Pastor Wright’s inflammatory statements a year ago as he started his presidential campaign.  Let me suggest that any campaign staff that did not secure every tape of Wright’s speaking in existence and determine the extent of the potential damage at that time was derelict.  Obama’s staff has not demonstrated such amateurish performance to date and seriously doubt they did in this instance.  It is only reasonable to expect the Senator was fully informed on Wright’s liability at that time and Obama knew the extent of Wright’s bigotry and anti Americanism.

The second issue is that Obama made a very Clintonian response; carefully parsing his words- 

The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation.

Notice he did not say I never heard those words before they became available in the news or that he did not hear them a year ago.  Only that he never hear them while sitting in the pew or in private.  Notice he did not say he never heard similar words or those thoughts expressed in different words.

The first is potentially the most damaging if evidence of the Senator’s attendance at one of Wright’s rants is found.  Then there have clear evidence of a flat lie and the attendant conclusions that he was not upset with the remarks, endorsed them or tolerated them, and he is a liar.

The second is more likely to be the case that it will be discovered that the Senator was in attendance on another occasion, not yet identified when Wright was preaching on the topic.  This situation is not covered by the Obama disclaimer above.

I think the Senator has been disingenuous on this subject.  Wright has publicly stated he embraces Black Liberation Theology (BLT) and has extolled the writings of Cole on the subject.  BLT has as a core tenant that salvation is not remission of sin but delivery from an oppressive white culture and government.  If this is a core theological belief of Wright’s it is difficult to believe that he did not preach on it frequently from the pulpit or at least intersperse it thought out he preaching.  To do otherwise would be inconsistent.

All except one of the inflammatory speeches was made in the congregation.  To be fair, it appeared to me some members of the congregation were not pleased with the Pastor’s remarks.  But if you look at the speeches, especially, the GD America diatribe, does it fit perfectly with the BLT?

I predict this will dribble out over time and it will cost Senator Obama any chance of ever winning a national election.  Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this has not played out yet.  Senator Obama has now made statements that will no doubt cause him difficulty in the future.  The first being that he was unaware of Pastor Wright&rsquo;s inflammatory statements a year ago as he started his presidential campaign.  Let me suggest that any campaign staff that did not secure every tape of Wright&rsquo;s speaking in existence and determine the extent of the potential damage at that time was derelict.  Obama&rsquo;s staff has not demonstrated such amateurish performance to date and seriously doubt they did in this instance.  It is only reasonable to expect the Senator was fully informed on Wright&rsquo;s liability at that time and Obama knew the extent of Wright&rsquo;s bigotry and anti Americanism.</p>
<p>The second issue is that Obama made a very Clintonian response; carefully parsing his words- </p>
<p>The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation.</p>
<p>Notice he did not say I never heard those words before they became available in the news or that he did not hear them a year ago.  Only that he never hear them while sitting in the pew or in private.  Notice he did not say he never heard similar words or those thoughts expressed in different words.</p>
<p>The first is potentially the most damaging if evidence of the Senator&rsquo;s attendance at one of Wright&rsquo;s rants is found.  Then there have clear evidence of a flat lie and the attendant conclusions that he was not upset with the remarks, endorsed them or tolerated them, and he is a liar.</p>
<p>The second is more likely to be the case that it will be discovered that the Senator was in attendance on another occasion, not yet identified when Wright was preaching on the topic.  This situation is not covered by the Obama disclaimer above.</p>
<p>I think the Senator has been disingenuous on this subject.  Wright has publicly stated he embraces Black Liberation Theology (BLT) and has extolled the writings of Cole on the subject.  BLT has as a core tenant that salvation is not remission of sin but delivery from an oppressive white culture and government.  If this is a core theological belief of Wright&rsquo;s it is difficult to believe that he did not preach on it frequently from the pulpit or at least intersperse it thought out he preaching.  To do otherwise would be inconsistent.</p>
<p>All except one of the inflammatory speeches was made in the congregation.  To be fair, it appeared to me some members of the congregation were not pleased with the Pastor&rsquo;s remarks.  But if you look at the speeches, especially, the GD America diatribe, does it fit perfectly with the BLT?</p>
<p>I predict this will dribble out over time and it will cost Senator Obama any chance of ever winning a national election.  Bob</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ooopps -that&#039;s &quot;are&quot; really the wishes of the candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooopps -that's "are" really the wishes of the candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah -James Carville, the man who just a week or so ago blamed George Bush for Eliot Spitzer&#039;s moral corruption, because they were investigating funny money transfers that the banks played whistle blower on -that James Carville -a man of character and vurtue indeed.

Seriously -your point is well taken. What we have is a nation that is being self-censored by political correctness, the most deeadly weapon ever employed by the left belcause the right doesn&#039;t yet realize that&#039;s what it is.

Most of what ever nasty has been said, is believed widely anyway in some sphere or another. I say get it out - we need to encourged truth coming foward, not silence it. That racism is taught in many (but not all)black churches is no suprise. It will not be exorcised until it undergoes public scrutiny and rejection. I say -investigate and expose it - at one point in time,before the &quot;Age of Pravda West,&quot; that was the job of an unaligned media.

Is there anyone that doesn&#039;t understand by now that these unacceptable comments made by campaign underlings, aren&#039;t really the wishes of the candidate who for political purposes can&#039;t say them him/herself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah -James Carville, the man who just a week or so ago blamed George Bush for Eliot Spitzer's moral corruption, because they were investigating funny money transfers that the banks played whistle blower on -that James Carville -a man of character and vurtue indeed.</p>
<p>Seriously -your point is well taken. What we have is a nation that is being self-censored by political correctness, the most deeadly weapon ever employed by the left belcause the right doesn't yet realize that's what it is.</p>
<p>Most of what ever nasty has been said, is believed widely anyway in some sphere or another. I say get it out - we need to encourged truth coming foward, not silence it. That racism is taught in many (but not all)black churches is no suprise. It will not be exorcised until it undergoes public scrutiny and rejection. I say -investigate and expose it - at one point in time,before the "Age of Pravda West," that was the job of an unaligned media.</p>
<p>Is there anyone that doesn't understand by now that these unacceptable comments made by campaign underlings, aren't really the wishes of the candidate who for political purposes can't say them him/herself?</p>
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		<title>By: The Pink Flamingo</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Obama’s Friends and the Friends of Hannity, Tancredo &amp; Malkin...&lt;/strong&gt;

IS THERE A DIFFERENCE?Kyle-Anne Shriver has delivered with yet another hard-hitting American Thinker piece.&#160; She basically mentions the fact that her grandmother always mentioned that you are known by the company you keep. My grandmother Froehlich...</description>
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<p>IS THERE A DIFFERENCE?Kyle-Anne Shriver has delivered with yet another hard-hitting American Thinker piece.  She basically mentions the fact that her grandmother always mentioned that you are known by the company you keep. My grandmother Froehlich...</p>
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		<title>By: Stageleft:. Life on the left side : The Right To Bear Arms</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Woman Honor Thyself</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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OK..On St Paddys, wer’e all Irish.
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<p>OK..On St Paddys, wer&rsquo;e all Irish.<br />
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		<title>By: The Amboy Times</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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Some of the critics of the list of things that offend Muslims have claimed that a similar list could be made about Christians, Jews etc...But like this story, the Danish cartoons and Salman Rushdie, an offended Islam responds with fatwas...</description>
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<p>Some of the critics of the list of things that offend Muslims have claimed that a similar list could be made about Christians, Jews etc...But like this story, the Danish cartoons and Salman Rushdie, an offended Islam responds with fatwas...</p>
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		<title>By: Happy St. Patrick&#8217;s Day &#124; Stuck On Stupid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happy St. Patrick&#8217;s Day &#124; Stuck On Stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yaj,
Why six links to a single article?
The fragmentary quotes (none complete, much less in context) did not rise anywhere close to the level of the comments being widely discussed.  This leaves aside the blatant bias of the source in reporting Obama&#039;s or anyone else&#039;s presence or reactions.
I doubt you would give much weight to links to a daily KOS diary as evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yaj,<br />
Why six links to a single article?<br />
The fragmentary quotes (none complete, much less in context) did not rise anywhere close to the level of the comments being widely discussed.  This leaves aside the blatant bias of the source in reporting Obama's or anyone else's presence or reactions.<br />
I doubt you would give much weight to links to a daily KOS diary as evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 07:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Those are the types of statements that have led to MSNBC’s Tucker Carlson describing Wright as “a full-blown hater.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I once heard Carlson described as &quot;a big dick&quot;. It seems like a pretty accurate description...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Those are the types of statements that have led to MSNBC&rsquo;s Tucker Carlson describing Wright as “a full-blown hater.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I once heard Carlson described as "a big dick". It seems like a pretty accurate description...</p>
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		<dc:creator>What is or isn&#8217;t an Argument? &#171; Beagle Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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