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	<title>Comments on: Obama Extends Benefits to Unmarried Partners</title>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_extends_benefits_to_unmarried_partners/comment-page-1/#comment-1066476</link>
		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I thought the photo was an illustration of the oft predicted slippery slope, same sex partners today, mice and men tomorrow?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And who really believes in such nonsense?  That legalizing gay marriage will eventually lead to legalizing bestiality?  Please, that&#039;s pathetic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I thought the photo was an illustration of the oft predicted slippery slope, same sex partners today, mice and men tomorrow?</p></blockquote>
<p>And who really believes in such nonsense?  That legalizing gay marriage will eventually lead to legalizing bestiality?  Please, that's pathetic...</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_extends_benefits_to_unmarried_partners/comment-page-1/#comment-1066175</link>
		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the photo was an illustration of the oft predicted slippery slope, same sex partners today, mice and men tomorrow?  It is the best laid plans.  

Apparently, health benefits require a change in the law since the law specifically uses &quot;spouse&quot; but some other benefits are administratively controlled.  In the long run, this will increase the personnel costs to agencies since extending benefits to previously non-covered persons will obviously have some expense.  Whether the funds will come from new appropriations or from funds diverted from programs is the real question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the photo was an illustration of the oft predicted slippery slope, same sex partners today, mice and men tomorrow?  It is the best laid plans.  </p>
<p>Apparently, health benefits require a change in the law since the law specifically uses "spouse" but some other benefits are administratively controlled.  In the long run, this will increase the personnel costs to agencies since extending benefits to previously non-covered persons will obviously have some expense.  Whether the funds will come from new appropriations or from funds diverted from programs is the real question.</p>
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		<title>By: Hangtown Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_extends_benefits_to_unmarried_partners/comment-page-1/#comment-1066140</link>
		<dc:creator>Hangtown Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So...  I presume that I can now have my female &quot;domestic partner&quot; to whom I am unmarried be covered in the same manner that my wife (Female) would be covered.  This benefit cannot be made exclusively to homosexuals (that would be discrimatory).  It sounds like one will be able to have anyone to whom he is &quot;attached&quot; covered by this new benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So...  I presume that I can now have my female "domestic partner" to whom I am unmarried be covered in the same manner that my wife (Female) would be covered.  This benefit cannot be made exclusively to homosexuals (that would be discrimatory).  It sounds like one will be able to have anyone to whom he is "attached" covered by this new benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_extends_benefits_to_unmarried_partners/comment-page-1/#comment-1065976</link>
		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Plus, I mean this pretty much proves the point that gay marriage would lead to people marrying their dogs, or mice as the case may be.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well hell, I guess Antonin Scalia had to be right about &lt;em&gt;something&lt;/em&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Plus, I mean this pretty much proves the point that gay marriage would lead to people marrying their dogs, or mice as the case may be.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well hell, I guess Antonin Scalia had to be right about <em>something</em>...</p>
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		<title>By: Furhead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_extends_benefits_to_unmarried_partners/comment-page-1/#comment-1065928</link>
		<dc:creator>Furhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You know, I&#039;ve always been suspicious about those two....&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, seriously!  Mickey&#039;s high-pitched voice, for example.  Plus, I mean this pretty much proves the point that gay marriage would lead to people marrying their dogs, or mice as the case may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You know, I've always been suspicious about those two....</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, seriously!  Mickey's high-pitched voice, for example.  Plus, I mean this pretty much proves the point that gay marriage would lead to people marrying their dogs, or mice as the case may be.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, that seems to suggest that some sort of bureacracy needs to be created to document and authenticate the bona fides of unmarried partners.  The thing about a marriage certificate or civil unions is that they are largely self-authenticating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, that seems to suggest that some sort of bureacracy needs to be created to document and authenticate the bona fides of unmarried partners.  The thing about a marriage certificate or civil unions is that they are largely self-authenticating.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_extends_benefits_to_unmarried_partners/comment-page-1/#comment-1065822</link>
		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has this moved President Obama back into Andrew Sullivan&#039;s good graces?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has this moved President Obama back into Andrew Sullivan's good graces?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Nor is it clear how one determines who is a “partner” without a marriage certificate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t have the actual data, but considering my own experience, I would guess that a majority of Fortune 500 companies extend benefits to &quot;partners&quot;, same-sex or not. There are various housing requirements (more than one year under the same roof, etc.) and affidavets to sign, but it&#039;s not like this is a new idea or one not often applied. My fiance was on my health insurance nearly a year before we were married.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Nor is it clear how one determines who is a “partner” without a marriage certificate.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't have the actual data, but considering my own experience, I would guess that a majority of Fortune 500 companies extend benefits to "partners", same-sex or not. There are various housing requirements (more than one year under the same roof, etc.) and affidavets to sign, but it's not like this is a new idea or one not often applied. My fiance was on my health insurance nearly a year before we were married.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_extends_benefits_to_unmarried_partners/comment-page-1/#comment-1065812</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m just curious...what is the point of the picture used with this post...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The statue is called &quot;Partners&quot; and was the most prolific thing that came up on a Flickr search for the term. Also, given Disney&#039;s out front position on gay rights, I thought the double meaning especially amusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'm just curious...what is the point of the picture used with this post...</p></blockquote>
<p>The statue is called "Partners" and was the most prolific thing that came up on a Flickr search for the term. Also, given Disney's out front position on gay rights, I thought the double meaning especially amusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_extends_benefits_to_unmarried_partners/comment-page-1/#comment-1065810</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I would assume it&#039;s because Walt and Mickey are partners, in the &quot;friends&quot; sense. So they would qualify for benefits (if Walt was still alive and worked for the feds).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You know, I&#039;ve always been suspicious about those two....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I would assume it's because Walt and Mickey are partners, in the "friends" sense. So they would qualify for benefits (if Walt was still alive and worked for the feds).</p></blockquote>
<p>You know, I've always been suspicious about those two....</p>
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		<title>By: Arcs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arcs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, you say:
&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s not clear to me how he has the authority to make such a sweeping change without Congress passing a law.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Then you say:
&lt;blockquote&gt;For one thing, this would have to be massively expensive, unless he&#039;s going to take away benefits from married couples to pay for it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Finally:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The expense is certainly relevant, in that he can&#039;t just willy nilly spend gobs of money on his own whim.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When do you suppose the Congress will advise him of the limits of his authority or let him know he needs to stop spending &quot;gobs of money on his own whim&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, you say:</p>
<blockquote><p>It&rsquo;s not clear to me how he has the authority to make such a sweeping change without Congress passing a law.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then you say:</p>
<blockquote><p>For one thing, this would have to be massively expensive, unless he's going to take away benefits from married couples to pay for it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Finally:</p>
<blockquote><p>The expense is certainly relevant, in that he can't just willy nilly spend gobs of money on his own whim.</p></blockquote>
<p>When do you suppose the Congress will advise him of the limits of his authority or let him know he needs to stop spending "gobs of money on his own whim"?</p>
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		<title>By: Furhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Furhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would assume it&#039;s because Walt and Mickey are partners, in the &quot;friends&quot; sense.  So they would qualify for benefits (if Walt was still alive and worked for the feds).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would assume it's because Walt and Mickey are partners, in the "friends" sense.  So they would qualify for benefits (if Walt was still alive and worked for the feds).</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_extends_benefits_to_unmarried_partners/comment-page-1/#comment-1065792</link>
		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just curious...what is the point of the picture used with this post...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm just curious...what is the point of the picture used with this post...</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The President can only spend money appropriated by Congress and is limited by restrictions and conditions placed on the appropriation.  In reality, many of the authorization restrictions are weak and generally only mean a contentious questioning by the committees next year.  However, Obama will have to reallocate benefits from the married couples to the newly recognized partnerships or seek an increase in the employee benefit/compensation spending appropriations.  

The question of how you separate a &quot;partnership&quot; from two people living together seems to be to be the big irritant.  Sure they&#039;ll set up rules but at some point a live-in &#039;friend&#039; is going to sue for the benefits of a government employee just like spouses and former spouses.  Evangelicals may find this beneficial since it could make &quot;living in sin&quot; financially risky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The President can only spend money appropriated by Congress and is limited by restrictions and conditions placed on the appropriation.  In reality, many of the authorization restrictions are weak and generally only mean a contentious questioning by the committees next year.  However, Obama will have to reallocate benefits from the married couples to the newly recognized partnerships or seek an increase in the employee benefit/compensation spending appropriations.  </p>
<p>The question of how you separate a "partnership" from two people living together seems to be to be the big irritant.  Sure they'll set up rules but at some point a live-in 'friend' is going to sue for the benefits of a government employee just like spouses and former spouses.  Evangelicals may find this beneficial since it could make "living in sin" financially risky.</p>
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		<title>By: Furhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Furhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This man has taken over much of the nation in total defiance of constitutional power ...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So you&#039;re saying he&#039;s just like the last few Presidents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This man has taken over much of the nation in total defiance of constitutional power ...</p></blockquote>
<p>So you're saying he's just like the last few Presidents?</p>
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