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		<title>By: melvintoast</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_fatigue_setting_in/comment-page-1/#comment-491628</link>
		<dc:creator>melvintoast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It means &lt;strong&gt;NEGATIVITY WORKS!&lt;/strong&gt;   
I don&#039;t know of a campaign where negativity hurt the aggressor.  I&#039;ve seen many campaigns where not responding hurt the target of the attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It means <strong>NEGATIVITY WORKS!</strong><br />
I don't know of a campaign where negativity hurt the aggressor.  I've seen many campaigns where not responding hurt the target of the attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;You&#039;ve made your real position clear many times over, Hal&lt;/em&gt;

Step away from the keyboard and put down that doobie.

Dude.  PAY ATTENTION.  You keep on ascribing me comments I haven&#039;t made.  You&#039;re talking to anjin-san.  Not me.

Geebus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>You've made your real position clear many times over, Hal</em></p>
<p>Step away from the keyboard and put down that doobie.</p>
<p>Dude.  PAY ATTENTION.  You keep on ascribing me comments I haven't made.  You're talking to anjin-san.  Not me.</p>
<p>Geebus.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_fatigue_setting_in/comment-page-1/#comment-491569</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Interesting that you wish to be able to define your own political affiliations, yet are so quick to label others, or refer to their party affiliation incorrectly (leftist, Democrat Party).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In your case, I&#039;m not incorrect. You&#039;ve made your real position clear many times over, Hal, and I&#039;m hardly the only one to make that observation. 

Of course you might prove me wrong. Let&#039;s see. I know... please provide us a historical example of you being critical of Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Interesting that you wish to be able to define your own political affiliations, yet are so quick to label others, or refer to their party affiliation incorrectly (leftist, Democrat Party).</p></blockquote>
<p>In your case, I'm not incorrect. You've made your real position clear many times over, Hal, and I'm hardly the only one to make that observation. </p>
<p>Of course you might prove me wrong. Let's see. I know... please provide us a historical example of you being critical of Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I suppose Anderson forgets that I&#039;m not overly happy with McCain, either... and that I&#039;m an independent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;And yet there is no doubt in anybody&#039;s mind who you will vote for in November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I suppose Anderson forgets that I'm not overly happy with McCain, either... and that I'm an independent.</p></blockquote>
<p>And yet there is no doubt in anybody's mind who you will vote for in November.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boyd, if YAJ&#039;s point is that the MSM is in the tank for Obama, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,3134465,print.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;objective analysis of the MSM proves otherwise&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, where researchers have tracked network news content for two decades, found that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Obama than on Republican John McCain during the first six weeks of the general-election campaign.

You read it right: tougher on the Democrat.

During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;And note from that link the following, to anticipate the argument along the lines that Michael is arguing against&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;But the center&#039;s director, RobertLichter, who has won conservative hearts with several of his previous studies, told me the facts were the facts.

&quot;This information should blow away this silly assumption that more coverage is always better coverage,&quot; he said. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I assume YAJ has something other than his assertion to back up his claim that the MSM isn&#039;t &quot;playing it straight&quot; and is in the bag for Obama?

Or should I have even asked?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boyd, if YAJ's point is that the MSM is in the tank for Obama, the <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,3134465,print.story" rel="nofollow">objective analysis of the MSM proves otherwise</a>.<br />
<blockquote><em>The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, where researchers have tracked network news content for two decades, found that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Obama than on Republican John McCain during the first six weeks of the general-election campaign.</p>
<p>You read it right: tougher on the Democrat.</p>
<p>During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.</p>
<p>Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>And note from that link the following, to anticipate the argument along the lines that Michael is arguing against<br />
<blockquote><em>But the center's director, RobertLichter, who has won conservative hearts with several of his previous studies, told me the facts were the facts.</p>
<p>"This information should blow away this silly assumption that more coverage is always better coverage," he said. </em></p></blockquote>
<p>I assume YAJ has something other than his assertion to back up his claim that the MSM isn't "playing it straight" and is in the bag for Obama?</p>
<p>Or should I have even asked?</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Quite. I suppose Anderson forgets that I&#039;m not overly happy with McCain, either... and that I&#039;m an independent&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Interesting that you wish to be able to define your own political affiliations, yet are so quick to label others, or refer to their party affiliation incorrectly (leftist, Democrat Party).

At any rate, I think far-right Republican nutjob describes you reasonably well. Since you are into applying lables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Quite. I suppose Anderson forgets that I'm not overly happy with McCain, either... and that I'm an independent</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting that you wish to be able to define your own political affiliations, yet are so quick to label others, or refer to their party affiliation incorrectly (leftist, Democrat Party).</p>
<p>At any rate, I think far-right Republican nutjob describes you reasonably well. Since you are into applying lables.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What press is Bithead reading? I can&#039;t find it on *my* internet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe if you stayed out of DU, Kos and Greenwald&#039;s site, it&#039;d help.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I am sure that if you are a Democrat, you do not believe that Obama has been overexposed or that there is media bias. And Republicans will likely believe the opposite. Here&#039;s an Independent&#039;s opinion. I can remember no candidate who has had such an unchallenged ride by the media.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Quite. I suppose Anderson forgets that I&#039;m not overly happy with McCain, either... and that I&#039;m an independent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What press is Bithead reading? I can't find it on *my* internet.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe if you stayed out of DU, Kos and Greenwald's site, it'd help.</p>
<blockquote><p>I am sure that if you are a Democrat, you do not believe that Obama has been overexposed or that there is media bias. And Republicans will likely believe the opposite. Here's an Independent's opinion. I can remember no candidate who has had such an unchallenged ride by the media.</p></blockquote>
<p>Quite. I suppose Anderson forgets that I'm not overly happy with McCain, either... and that I'm an independent.</p>
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		<title>By: DBC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure that if you are a Democrat, you do not believe that Obama has been overexposed or that there is media bias. And Republicans will likely believe the opposite. Here&#039;s an Independent&#039;s opinion. I can remember no candidate who has had such an unchallenged ride by the media. From the overseas trip to the gushing on CNN, the media makes no attempt to veil a blatant bias. In the end, right or wrong, I believe it will rub off negatively on Obama. Americans have a sense of fair play and when they perceive biased arrogance by such factions as the media and entertainment community, the underdog benefits. It insults the voter&#039;s intelligence. An even race after having enjoyed such one sided reporting benefits cannot bode well for Obama. The media may well destroy what they are trying to elect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure that if you are a Democrat, you do not believe that Obama has been overexposed or that there is media bias. And Republicans will likely believe the opposite. Here's an Independent's opinion. I can remember no candidate who has had such an unchallenged ride by the media. From the overseas trip to the gushing on CNN, the media makes no attempt to veil a blatant bias. In the end, right or wrong, I believe it will rub off negatively on Obama. Americans have a sense of fair play and when they perceive biased arrogance by such factions as the media and entertainment community, the underdog benefits. It insults the voter's intelligence. An even race after having enjoyed such one sided reporting benefits cannot bode well for Obama. The media may well destroy what they are trying to elect.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paris is a disgrace to all women.  She is just an epitomized slutty airhead. She makes me want to vomit uncontrollably. She had money and came from a rich family.  Most whores come from the gutter.  She is a self made whore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paris is a disgrace to all women.  She is just an epitomized slutty airhead. She makes me want to vomit uncontrollably. She had money and came from a rich family.  Most whores come from the gutter.  She is a self made whore.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben (The Tiger)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben (The Tiger)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe people agree with McCain&#039;s negative ads?

Just saying McCain has had a more negative message -- that&#039;s a description, not a judgment.  I&#039;d say that.  It doesn&#039;t mean that I support Obama, or that I think that I haven&#039;t heard enough from him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe people agree with McCain's negative ads?</p>
<p>Just saying McCain has had a more negative message -- that's a description, not a judgment.  I'd say that.  It doesn't mean that I support Obama, or that I think that I haven't heard enough from him.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My two cents worth, yes like any poll I wouldn’t draw to many conclusions from it. The reasons are probably an accumulation of factors many of which have been mention. Many people that I have talk to haven’t liked the press standing up and cheering when Obama steps in the room and the Rock star treatment the MSM gives him. How much of that is reflected in this poll, I don’t know. I’m sure there are other factors as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My two cents worth, yes like any poll I wouldn&rsquo;t draw to many conclusions from it. The reasons are probably an accumulation of factors many of which have been mention. Many people that I have talk to haven&rsquo;t liked the press standing up and cheering when Obama steps in the room and the Rock star treatment the MSM gives him. How much of that is reflected in this poll, I don&rsquo;t know. I&rsquo;m sure there are other factors as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I find it far more likely, they&#039;re tired of watching the press washing Obama&#039;s feet daily.&lt;/em&gt;

What press is Bithead reading?  I can&#039;t find it on *my* internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I find it far more likely, they're tired of watching the press washing Obama's feet daily.</em></p>
<p>What press is Bithead reading?  I can't find it on *my* internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you missed YAJ&#039;s point, but I&#039;ll leave any rebuttal to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you missed YAJ's point, but I'll leave any rebuttal to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So are you saying that bias can only be expressed through quality, and not through quantity? Surely you don&#039;t believe that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;No, I&#039;m saying that questions that ask about quantity don&#039;t tell you anything about perceived quality.

For example, an Obama supporter could say there is too much negative coverage, while a McCain support can say there is too much positive coverage.  But if all you ask about is quantity, as in &quot;Has there been too much coverage&quot;, both with respond affirmatively.  

So just because 48% of respondents think he is getting too much coverage, you can&#039;t infer that to mean that 48% of respondents think he was getting too much positive coverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So are you saying that bias can only be expressed through quality, and not through quantity? Surely you don't believe that.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I'm saying that questions that ask about quantity don't tell you anything about perceived quality.</p>
<p>For example, an Obama supporter could say there is too much negative coverage, while a McCain support can say there is too much positive coverage.  But if all you ask about is quantity, as in "Has there been too much coverage", both with respond affirmatively.  </p>
<p>So just because 48% of respondents think he is getting too much coverage, you can't infer that to mean that 48% of respondents think he was getting too much positive coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, does this mean people like negative ads?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m with YAJ, here... I find it far more likely, they&#039;re tired of watching the press washing Obama&#039;s feet daily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, does this mean people like negative ads?</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm with YAJ, here... I find it far more likely, they're tired of watching the press washing Obama's feet daily.</p>
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