Comments on: Obama Has a Dream http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/ Online Journal of Politics and Foreign Affairs Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:32:40 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Robb Shecter http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/comment-page-1/#comment-374092 Robb Shecter Wed, 21 May 2008 23:49:03 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/05/obama_has_a_dream/#comment-374092 <blockquote>This is getting downright silly.</blockquote> Agreed -- the lack of moderation by the blog owners dramatically reduces the value of the discussion. I was about to post a reply to the content of the post, but then caught sight of the comments, and realized that there is no coherent conversation. At least moderate out the uncivil comments or those that show disrespect to the original post by seeking to change the topic of conversation!

This is getting downright silly.

Agreed -- the lack of moderation by the blog owners dramatically reduces the value of the discussion. I was about to post a reply to the content of the post, but then caught sight of the comments, and realized that there is no coherent conversation.

At least moderate out the uncivil comments or those that show disrespect to the original post by seeking to change the topic of conversation!

]]> By: Elmo http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/comment-page-1/#comment-373370 Elmo Wed, 21 May 2008 15:33:35 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/05/obama_has_a_dream/#comment-373370 Truth be told ... the racial componentry of the <em>current</em> campaign (as in today), falls squarely at the feet of the D e m o c r a t s [North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky (as in ... not Republicans)]. Whatever genealogical/melanin percentages one may wish to tabulate/quantify of/for Senator Fluffy [as different from any discussions of street/urb/cred (or of course ... lack thereof)]. The Dems nominating him is like bringing a pair of toe nail clippers to a bazooka fight. You can paint Obama any color you like. And freely, gleefully continue to make any and all scurrilous accusations [about those on the other side of the aisle (no doubt the kitchen sink will be tossed in before November 4)]. It will not change Senator Fluffy's ideas, his 'solutions', or lack of heft and experience on the international stage (nor of course will Obama modulating the tone/tenor of his campaign. Or how loudly and indignantly he flagellates his own chest) . TTFN Truth be told ... the racial componentry of the current campaign (as in today), falls squarely at the feet of the D e m o c r a t s [North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky (as in ... not Republicans)].

Whatever genealogical/melanin percentages one may wish to tabulate/quantify of/for Senator Fluffy [as different from any discussions of street/urb/cred (or of course ... lack thereof)].

The Dems nominating him is like bringing a pair of toe nail clippers to a bazooka fight. You can paint Obama any color you like. And freely, gleefully continue to make any and all scurrilous accusations [about those on the other side of the aisle (no doubt the kitchen sink will be tossed in before November 4)].

It will not change Senator Fluffy's ideas, his 'solutions', or lack of heft and experience on the international stage (nor of course will Obama modulating the tone/tenor of his campaign. Or how loudly and indignantly he flagellates his own chest) .

TTFN

]]> By: Roger Veritas http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/comment-page-1/#comment-373312 Roger Veritas Wed, 21 May 2008 14:17:14 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/05/obama_has_a_dream/#comment-373312 Obama is a white man in a black suit. In a funny way he is Elvis in reverse. He looks black but talks white. Elvis was reviled for his Black style of singing that evil Rock and Roll. Elvis love to attend southern Black churches where he learned his singing skills. Obama learned the power of the sermon from Crazy Uncle Jeremiah Wright. His heroes are our heroes, at least the one he holds up to most of in public and on Camera are mostly white. FDR, JFK, Hell even Ronald "I can't remember my own son's name" Reagan. Now its Teddy Kennedy. Ultimately he isn't W. That was for the most part anybody's campaign message. He also successfully "framed" Hillary as an "old" candidate of the establishment. He didn't run on specific policies. He ran on dreams, hopes, wants. He kept it simple and millions bought/donated to the cause and all they may get are some bad dreams and sleepless nights. He also speaks softly and carries a big "African American" voting block. Obama is a white man in a black suit. In a funny way he is Elvis in reverse. He looks black but talks white. Elvis was reviled for his Black style of singing that evil Rock and Roll.
Elvis love to attend southern Black churches where he learned his singing skills. Obama learned the power of the sermon from Crazy Uncle Jeremiah Wright.

His heroes are our heroes, at least the one he holds up to most of in public and on Camera are mostly white. FDR, JFK, Hell even Ronald "I can't remember my own son's name" Reagan. Now its Teddy Kennedy. Ultimately he isn't W. That was for the most part anybody's campaign message. He also successfully "framed" Hillary as an "old" candidate of the establishment. He didn't run on specific policies. He ran on dreams, hopes, wants.
He kept it simple and millions bought/donated to the cause and all they may get are some bad dreams and sleepless nights.

He also speaks softly and carries a big "African American" voting block.

]]> By: anjin-san http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/comment-page-1/#comment-372375 anjin-san Tue, 20 May 2008 23:57:29 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/05/obama_has_a_dream/#comment-372375 Well I am a white guy who grew up in Marin County in the 60s, and I still feel like a bit of Dr. King's legacy is mine. It's a measure of how great a man MLK was. I don't think any of us is entitled to tell Obama that he is not part of King's legacy. Well I am a white guy who grew up in Marin County in the 60s, and I still feel like a bit of Dr. King's legacy is mine. It's a measure of how great a man MLK was.

I don't think any of us is entitled to tell Obama that he is not part of King's legacy.

]]> By: James Joyner http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/comment-page-1/#comment-372171 James Joyner Tue, 20 May 2008 21:56:52 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/05/obama_has_a_dream/#comment-372171 <blockquote>So, in that way, Obama is going to NOT be judged on the content of his character, but rather he'll be seen as "just another black politician". Put it this way...just because you don't think he was shaped by the civil rights struggle doesn't mean that his race becomes a moot point in the minds of voters.</blockquote> I don't disagree.

So, in that way, Obama is going to NOT be judged on the content of his character, but rather he'll be seen as "just another black politician". Put it this way...just because you don't think he was shaped by the civil rights struggle doesn't mean that his race becomes a moot point in the minds of voters.

I don't disagree.

]]> By: Mike P http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/comment-page-1/#comment-372130 Mike P Tue, 20 May 2008 21:41:16 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/05/obama_has_a_dream/#comment-372130 James, he does have a different experience than your example of Jesse Jackson does. I'm not arguing that (though your mention of "other"-ness in re: Hawaii shows that he could know what discrimination feels like). I'm saying that some people don't want to draw that kind of distinction and will merely shift their dislike of Jackson onto Obama (with all its attendant baggage). So, in that way, Obama is going to NOT be judged on the content of his character, but rather he'll be seen as "just another black politician". Put it this way...just because you don't think he was shaped by the civil rights struggle doesn't mean that his race becomes a moot point in the minds of voters. There are obviously lots of reasons that someone might not want to vote for Obama that have nothing to do with race. And I see in your most recent post the argument being advanced that meta-narrative of an Obama loss will simply be that he lost because of race (or won despite it). I certainly hope that neither is the case. I'd like him to win because of what he stands for and what he is presenting the public. But I think that it would be naive to act like there won't be a substantial racial component to the voting this fall (as there could have been a sexist tilt had Hillary won the nomination). James, he does have a different experience than your example of Jesse Jackson does. I'm not arguing that (though your mention of "other"-ness in re: Hawaii shows that he could know what discrimination feels like). I'm saying that some people don't want to draw that kind of distinction and will merely shift their dislike of Jackson onto Obama (with all its attendant baggage). So, in that way, Obama is going to NOT be judged on the content of his character, but rather he'll be seen as "just another black politician". Put it this way...just because you don't think he was shaped by the civil rights struggle doesn't mean that his race becomes a moot point in the minds of voters. There are obviously lots of reasons that someone might not want to vote for Obama that have nothing to do with race. And I see in your most recent post the argument being advanced that meta-narrative of an Obama loss will simply be that he lost because of race (or won despite it). I certainly hope that neither is the case. I'd like him to win because of what he stands for and what he is presenting the public. But I think that it would be naive to act like there won't be a substantial racial component to the voting this fall (as there could have been a sexist tilt had Hillary won the nomination).

]]> By: Paul http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/comment-page-1/#comment-371996 Paul Tue, 20 May 2008 20:35:46 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/05/obama_has_a_dream/#comment-371996 Let him have the job. He will learn or burn. None of the idiots running are worth a crap but lets get this over with and watch whats left of this country crumble! Let him have the job. He will learn or burn. None of the idiots running are worth a crap but lets get this over with and watch whats left of this country crumble!

]]> By: James Joyner http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/comment-page-1/#comment-371923 James Joyner Tue, 20 May 2008 19:37:24 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/05/obama_has_a_dream/#comment-371923 <blockquote>A mixed race kid who looks more black than white (and who identifies himself as black man) in America</blockquote> But he grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia. Hawaii, while an American state since shortly before Obama was born, is a Polynesian state where blacks and whites are the Other. But there's no legacy of African slavery, Jim Crow, or any of the other baggage of the old times. He didn't show up in America proper until he was ready for college. And even then he was in California and then the Ivy League. To the extent that he took the bus, I'm rather sure he sat in whichever seat he wished without it ever occurring to him to do otherwise. <blockquote>This is simply another formulation of him not being black enough.</blockquote> Black enough for what, exactly? I'm saying his age and circumstances of his upbringing give him a different experience set than, say, Jesse Jackson. That's part of his appeal, frankly.

A mixed race kid who looks more black than white (and who identifies himself as black man) in America

But he grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia. Hawaii, while an American state since shortly before Obama was born, is a Polynesian state where blacks and whites are the Other. But there's no legacy of African slavery, Jim Crow, or any of the other baggage of the old times.

He didn't show up in America proper until he was ready for college. And even then he was in California and then the Ivy League. To the extent that he took the bus, I'm rather sure he sat in whichever seat he wished without it ever occurring to him to do otherwise.

This is simply another formulation of him not being black enough.

Black enough for what, exactly? I'm saying his age and circumstances of his upbringing give him a different experience set than, say, Jesse Jackson. That's part of his appeal, frankly.

]]> By: Mike P http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/comment-page-1/#comment-371886 Mike P Tue, 20 May 2008 19:20:20 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/05/obama_has_a_dream/#comment-371886 "He simply wasn't shaped in any meaningful way by the civil rights struggles." Sorry, but this seems way off to me. A mixed race kid who looks more black than white (and who identifies himself as black man) in America is going to be party to the legacy of the civil rights movement (and the reactionary racism it spawned). This is simply another formulation of him not being black enough. "He simply wasn't shaped in any meaningful way by the civil rights struggles."

Sorry, but this seems way off to me. A mixed race kid who looks more black than white (and who identifies himself as black man) in America is going to be party to the legacy of the civil rights movement (and the reactionary racism it spawned). This is simply another formulation of him not being black enough.

]]> By: duckspeaker http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/comment-page-1/#comment-371828 duckspeaker Tue, 20 May 2008 18:49:27 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/05/obama_has_a_dream/#comment-371828 <blockquote>Idiot. </blockquote> <blockquote>Obama is running on the color of his skin </blockquote> <blockquote>soulless toady</blockquote> <blockquote>drug practices</blockquote> <blockquote>execution-style murder </blockquote> This is getting downright silly.

Idiot.

Obama is running on the color of his skin

soulless toady

drug
practices

execution-style murder

This is getting downright silly.

]]> By: Roger Veritas http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/comment-page-1/#comment-371796 Roger Veritas Tue, 20 May 2008 18:33:53 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/05/obama_has_a_dream/#comment-371796 Ask Obama or his staff to respond to the allegations Larry Sinclair has been making. Larry has claimed that Barack Obama's drug practices are much more recent than he claims. Larry has also subpoenaed Barack Obama, David Axelrod, and the campaign for phone records in connection with an execution-style murder of Donald Young. § Donald Young was the choirmaster of Obama's much maligned Trinity church. § Donald Young had been in contact with Larry until his death. It turns out that Donald was also gay. Parties unknown executed Donald and several other members of Chicago’s gay community. Why is Larry doing this? http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/ Ask Obama or his staff to respond to the allegations
Larry Sinclair has been making.

Larry has claimed that Barack Obama's drug
practices are much more recent than he claims.

Larry has also subpoenaed Barack
Obama, David Axelrod, and the campaign for phone records in connection
with an execution-style murder of Donald Young.

§ Donald Young was the choirmaster of Obama's much maligned
Trinity church.

§ Donald Young had been in contact with Larry until his
death.

It turns out that Donald was also gay.

Parties unknown executed Donald and several other members of Chicago’s gay
community.

Why is Larry doing this?

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/

]]> By: Floyd http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/comment-page-1/#comment-371723 Floyd Tue, 20 May 2008 17:19:44 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/05/obama_has_a_dream/#comment-371723 Triumph; So how much was he "shaped" by a career of groveling sycophancy aimed at party leaders who attached the strings of control and obligation? Don't be deceived...This is a manufactured candidate,a "soulless toady", who's loyalty is the absolute property of the cynical power brokers "behind the curtain" of the Democrat Party. Triumph;
So how much was he "shaped" by a career of groveling sycophancy aimed at party leaders who attached the strings of control and obligation?
Don't be deceived...This is a manufactured candidate,a "soulless toady", who's loyalty is the absolute property of the cynical power brokers "behind the curtain" of the Democrat Party.

]]> By: yetanotherjohn http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/comment-page-1/#comment-371716 yetanotherjohn Tue, 20 May 2008 17:13:29 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/05/obama_has_a_dream/#comment-371716 Obama is running on the color of his skin, not the content of his character. Any attack on the content of his character (his judgement, experience, stands on issues, etc) is usually either decried as a racist attack or side step with no defense of his stance (to be fair, he takes a lot of non-defensible stances). Obama is running on the color of his skin, not the content of his character. Any attack on the content of his character (his judgement, experience, stands on issues, etc) is usually either decried as a racist attack or side step with no defense of his stance (to be fair, he takes a lot of non-defensible stances).

]]> By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/comment-page-1/#comment-371714 Zelsdorf Ragshaft III Tue, 20 May 2008 17:10:16 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/05/obama_has_a_dream/#comment-371714 Triumph, do you mean the Democrats that run the state of Illinois and the Democrats that control Chicago violated federal voting regulations. Really, Democrats? Tri, which Jim crow laws were enforced on Obama? What civil rights marches did Obama participate in? Got any photos with Obama and a noted or unknown civil rights leader? How much time did Obama spend in lockup by some southern sheriff for breaking some segregation law. Just how many underprivileged go to Princeton and Harvard? B. Hussein Obama is an empty suit. Idiot. Triumph, do you mean the Democrats that run the state of Illinois and the Democrats that control Chicago violated federal voting regulations. Really, Democrats? Tri, which Jim crow laws were enforced on Obama? What civil rights marches did Obama participate in? Got any photos with Obama and a noted or unknown civil rights leader? How much time did Obama spend in lockup by some southern sheriff for breaking some segregation law. Just how many underprivileged go to Princeton and Harvard? B. Hussein Obama is an empty suit. Idiot.

]]> By: Elmo http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obama_has_a_dream/comment-page-1/#comment-371643 Elmo Tue, 20 May 2008 15:48:06 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/05/obama_has_a_dream/#comment-371643 The libs can try, and try, and try ... to make this election about color. It of course suits their (microcosmic) world view. And won't change the world's macro realities. Not a whit. Pathetic, willfull blindness, in service to emptiness. The libs can try, and try, and try ... to make this election about color. It of course suits their (microcosmic) world view. And won't change the world's macro realities. Not a whit. Pathetic, willfull blindness, in service to emptiness.

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