The other thing is, we already know who McCain is. None of the guys you mentioned plays a significant role in his biography. You can't say that about any of the Obama crew with the arguable exception of Ayers (although I would include him as well since Ayers' projects were a major beneficiary of Obama's work on the boards he sat on with Ayers).

I see your point about Obama trying to take the
best out of people and leaving the rest behind. Perhaps that's what he has in mind in proposing to meet with folks like Ahmadinijad and Hugo Chavez. He evidently sees some good in them, just as he sees good in Jeremiah Wright. How comforting to know that our next president has such an open mind and a forgiving heart.

Tom, check out Davis' wiki page for confirmation he is "Frank."

Thanx Conrad, "Frank" is, indeed, the infamous one in question

As for your references to my use of past or present tense,...

Nuff said.

I do think that since Obama spent so much time listening to Davis vent his spleen,

If that alone was a disqualifying factor, I think most of the people here (taking note of the current dialogue) would be branded as "untouchable".

drinking Davis' whiskey, etc.,

Not having read BO's book, I have to ask, where does this come from? There is no mention of it in the campaign reply to Corsi's book (the PDF at the end of the wiki page). That said, I have to point out that it was not uncommon in the '70's for "older" men to drink with "younger" men. Not saying it is right (it isn't) just saying that it was not uncommon and not necessarily frowned upon, kind of like going to a speakeasy during prohibition, illegal, but everybody did it.

Obama had more than enough opportunity to observe that Davis was a creep.

Again, not having read BO's book (or corsi's for that matter) I am unsure of exactly what it is you are referring to. In the excerpts they quote in the PDF, Obama is well aware of many of the man's shortcomings, and does like so many of us, take the good, and throws away the rest.

The same may also be said about Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko, and Bill Ayers.

A couple of posts ago, I spoke of how McCain has some questionable associations as well. I do not want to get into a "tit for tat" arguement about who has the worst, but I keep hearing these names and feel compelled to say Rev. Wright = Jerry Falwell/John Hagee. Have you ever listened to the racist crap that came out of their mouths? Tony Rezko=Charles Keating... say no more. Bill Ayers (almost)= G. Gordon Liddy. Neither ever repented any of their acts but I say "almost" for a # of reasons: Obama never got on Ayers radio show and said Ayers was a "great American", and as near as I can tell, Ayers studiously avoided human casualties while Liddy told people to "aim for the head" because ATF agents wear bullet proof vests.

Perhaps it's the case that every one of these lowlifes managed to get through every single one of their interactions with Obama without once revealing to him their hateful, criminal, and/or racist tendencies. I just think it's a stretch.

Indeed, it is a stretch. But to my way of thinking, that is beside the point. I feel Obama has taken the best of each of these individuals and left the rest behind. I would like to think the same of McCain (with the exception of Liddy... What was he thinking?) There is good and bad in all people, and we ALL have questionable associations (this goes double for anybody in politics).

What I wonder about, is why the double standard? Why is not McCain put to the same strict standards that Obama is? I know the answer. Do you?

And still not a single example of a beyond the pale attack on Palin...

Pointing out that someone has a (very!) expensive wardrobe is hardly a smear, just a statement of fact

Sorry, you just got hoisted on your own petard.
Do enjoy it.

who went after Cindy McCain

Pointing out that someone has a (very!) expensive wardrobe is hardly a smear, just a statement of fact. (unless, of course, you can show it is not a fact, in which case I will happily retract my statement).

And yes, I think flaunting wealth at that level in a failing economy is in questionable taste, but that is just my opinion.

So tell me, how did I "go after" Mrs. McCain?

Anyway bits, nice attempt at "turning the page" but I notice you are still unable to present any evidence of a beyond the pale smear on Palin.

Not an impressive performance for you ... D+

Just to be clear, I do not think that discussion of Michell Obama's comments about "proud of my coutry" are off limits. She did say it. Todd Palin's use of the Gov's office in Alaska also seems like a fair topic for discussion.

So you're saying he shouldn't have said that Palin's family should be off limits, just because doing so benefited his preferred candidate?

Go back and read again.

Just because your moral stands are pure fluff, you should not project that failing on others

Nice try. C for effort, and all that.
But in yur moral posturing about how family is off limits, let's not forget you're the one who went after Cindy McCain, OK?

By the way.. you're missing both legs.... did you know?

Actually, you asked for nothing,

No, I asked for something. A single example of an attack on Palin that is beyond the Pale. You don't have one. 'nuff said on that.

Oh, and Anjin? Your comment about Palin was to drive hiome your 'families are off limits' nonsense because you knew that benefitted Obama, not to stand on any kind of moral ground, so spare us the posturing.

Just because your moral stands are pure fluff, you should not project that failing on others. Act like a man bitsy, or at least try to.

Oh, and Anjin? Your comment about Palin was to drive hiome your 'families are off limits' nonsense because you knew that benefitted Obama, not to stand on any kind of moral ground, so spare us the posturing.

So you're saying he shouldn't have said that Palin's family should be off limits, just because doing so benefited his preferred candidate? Or only that it doesn't count?

Bitsy I did not ask you for a lot

Actually, you asked for nothing, and got exactly that. And my offering up an umbrella to hide under now would be beside the point. I think, rather, I'll leave you exposed.

Oh, and Anjin? Your comment about Palin was to drive hiome your 'families are off limits' nonsense because you knew that benefitted Obama, not to stand on any kind of moral ground, so spare us the posturing.

I do not deny there are scum ball bottom feeders of both parties on blogs, but I suspect you have absolutely nothing beyond a few deranged Kos diarists.

Here is my earlier comment on the subject.

As for Palin's daughter, I hope that Democrats take their lead from Obama himself. Families are off limits. Especially children.
Posted by anjin-san | September 2, 2008

Since you were unable to provide any documentation for your position (imagine that), I will leave you to your swim in the toilet. You don't seem to mind the stench at all...

I don't happen to think Obama was sexually abused by Davis. I do think that since Obama spent so much time listening to Davis vent his spleen, drinking Davis' whiskey, etc., Obama had more than enough opportunity to observe that Davis was a creep. Certainly, it's POSSIBLE that Davis (whiskey notwithstanding) was always on his very best behavior around Obama and gave Obama no reason to think he was a complete creep. The same may also be said about Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko, and Bill Ayers. Perhaps it's the case that every one of these lowlifes managed to get through every single one of their interactions with Obama without once revealing to him their hateful, criminal, and/or racist tendencies. I just think it's a stretch.

A stretch? Indeed.

Given the number of people who end up being labeled by Obama as 'not what I thought they were', one cannot help but wonder if either his judgement isn't totally faulty, or if he's lying, or both.

If I see something that I think is over the line, I will be happy to take it up right here

So, you've seen nothing, apparently, that's over the line, since you've not commented on anything of the like, yet.

Amazing.

Myopia can be cured, but apparently not liberal myopia.

So, does that mean that you think (And I use the word think advisedly, in your case) such attacks on Palin are out of bounds? At what point do we see you on the DU and KOS decrying such tactics?

Which "attacks" are you referring to? Be specific. If I see something that I think is over the line, I will be happy to take it up right here. Obama is winning on merit, we don't have to resort to desperate sleeze.

As for Kos, I rarely give it more than a quick glance and never post there, do not care for the tone.

Sounds like you are grasping at moral equivalence to justify you swim in the toilet...

Given his supposedly superior judgment was the central pillar in his claims of legitimacy on the presidency, this long list of people and situations where his vaunted judgment failed him seems a legitimate point of discussion.

Again, I don't think his campaign ever really ran on Obama's ability to judge a man's character.

So, does that mean that you think (And I use the word think advisedly, in your case) such attacks on Palin are out of bounds? At what point do we see you on the DU and KOS decrying such tactics?

I don't know about DU, but there were plenty of commentators on DKos decrying the outlandish attacks on Palin. Kos himself even removed the diary that sparked the whole "Bristol was the baby's mother".