And yes, what Elizabeth Dole did was shameful, and she lost because of it.

Houston, I would like to think that was true...

Everyone in the world has the right to apply a religious test for their personal vote.

Agreed... But when Archbishop Raymond Burke said he would not give communion (willingly) to anyone who voted for John Kerry (set aside your personal vote for the moment) That was most definitely NOT a religious test for his personal vote... Agreed?

I have said many times before, I have no problem with one's religious views informing ones political decisions...

As I said, the Christianists who form the rump end of the dead enders.

Santorum/Keyes '08!

And what is your point SV... That you are incapable of engaging anyone who does not agree with you with anything other than insult and innuendo?

No I still like Bush...

As I said, the Christianists who form the rump end of the dead enders.

Santorum/Keyes '08!

Ever, certainly not, as that would include effectively atheist Jefferson and non church-going Lincoln. Lifetime probably depends upon whether your life goes back as far as Nixon.

Well, Jefferson was certainly not an atheist. Nor was he an evangelical Christian, but he was a Deist at worst. Lincoln was not a member of any given church, but was a committed Christian. Nixon, I'm not so sure.

Well, I for one, believe we need to keep religion OUT of politics. It belongs in church or in the deep recesses of your mind where all fairy tales should reside. Our country is in disaster mode, if there is a god, why won't he/she/it help not only us, but all the people who are starving or being murdered in senseless wars!

Oh, I know..have faith! Faith does NOT pay bills or buy food or cure cancer..in fact, dang it god, can't you get rid of cancer..please? Nice guy this god...

Maybe if we can keep our political leaders OUT of church, they will quit praying for miracles, and get something done.

Being 'saved' doesn't seem to save anyone.

There's more confusion about Christianity in this one post than I've seen in a while. Religion will (and should) never be kept out of politics. It shapes the worldview and decision-making of virtually everyone in the world. It's simply stupid to think otherwise. If you'd like someone to explain to you why God allows bad things to happen, well, maybe we could start another thread.

I am amused that weekly church attendence is held as the sole measure of a person's faith. Weekly church attendence isn't something that the Bible requires of believers.

I do recall, though, that it says something about judging others...

Actually, church attendance says everything you need to know about one's faith. In fact, we are commanded in the bible to be part of "the bride of Christ," the community of Christ -- which is the church. Not by definition weekly attendence, but active participation, which for most American Christians equals weekly attendance.

And the thing about judging others - we are supposed to do it, and we are supposed to condemn sin where we see it - but we are also to know that we will also be judged and condemned.

And yes, what Elizabeth Dole did was shameful, and she lost because of it.

Oh, and by the way, US Constitution,Art VI, para 3:

"but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

Everyone in the world has the right to apply a religious test for their personal vote. As Christians, we're essentially commanded to do so.

Anybody who voted for Obama, and now is shocked and disappointed in this report, should be given a swift poke in the eye with a sharp stick. You should have known better.

"but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

But using a Church to gain favor with the world is bad.

GA: Like what Elizabeth Dole tried to do to Kay Hagan in NC? Or what the "Yes on 8" campaign did with the Mormon Church in CA?

There is hypocrisy aplenty to go around.

I say, give it a break. A persons religious practices, are their own private business.

Well, I for one, believe we need to keep religion OUT of politics. It belongs in church or in the deep recesses of your mind where all fairy tales should reside. Our country is in disaster mode, if there is a god, why won't he/she/it help not only us, but all the people who are starving or being murdered in senseless wars!

Oh, I know..have faith! Faith does NOT pay bills or buy food or cure cancer..in fact, dang it god, can't you get rid of cancer..please? Nice guy this god...

Maybe if we can keep our political leaders OUT of church, they will quit praying for miracles, and get something done.

Being 'saved' doesn't seem to save anyone.

pure straw man, learn the bible then you will understand.Thing is its kinda hard if your not saved.

Special Research Project of the Quantum Future School

Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken.

And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown to you, except as a burden others seem to accept without question, like gullible fools.

Now add to this strange fantasy the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless.

You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or shame, and you are never confronted by others for your cold-bloodedness. The ice water in your veins is so bizarre, so completely outside of their personal experience, that they seldom even guess at your condition.

In other words, you are completely free of internal restraints, and your unhampered liberty to do just as you please, with no pangs of conscience, is conveniently invisible to the world.

You can do anything at all, and still your strange advantage over the majority of people, who are kept in line by their consciences will most likely remain undiscovered.

http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm

seems like obama to me!

You're just disappointed that Bush has been tossed off Mt. Olympus.

No I still like Bush but he is not who I thought he was, but then who is? The very point they were making about your Dear leader.

I do recall, though, that it says something about judging others...

Is a good point Alex, but lets be clear It does not tell you not to judge others just what will happen if you do.

"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you."

you are correct sir. But using a Church to gain favor with the world is bad.

He was a Christian!

Shameless, blameless and timeless, if liberals can do and say anything they want do you really expect any thing less form their new deity?

You're just disappointed that Bush has been tossed off Mt. Olympus.

"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you."

I do recall, though, that it says something about judging others...