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		<title>By: Divided We Stand United We Fall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Divided We Stand United We Fall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Hero and the Queen of Darkness - A Fairy Tale for Our Time...&lt;/strong&gt;

And it came to pass that the great hero broke the spell and set free the serfs of Iowa and Carolina. And the scribes and town criers sang his praises and told of his great deeds and of his victory and prophesied the death of the dark Queen......</description>
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<p>And it came to pass that the great hero broke the spell and set free the serfs of Iowa and Carolina. And the scribes and town criers sang his praises and told of his great deeds and of his victory and prophesied the death of the dark Queen......</p>
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		<title>By: rodney dill</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodney dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Blacks have been voting overwhelmingly for Democrats for close to 50 years now. The Republicans have had tons of chances to get a higher percentage and all of them have failed.
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This supports my argument. Republican haven&#039;t had to &#039;win&#039; over minorities over the last 50 years for there to be periods of Republican Presidents and Republican congresses. They&#039;ve only had to win enough different people over to win elections, the same as the Democrats try to do.


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You are forgetting that a political party has to be able to win a certain number of elections to remain relevant. 
The Republican party will soon not be able to win enough elections to remain relevant.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
My argument addresses this. This is only a problem if you apply static thinking to the Republican position. The party will only become irrelevant if they don&#039;t change. But just as &#039;nature abhors a vacuum&#039; the party will change to incorporate roughly 1/3 of the population as outlined above. The GOP position may not resemble its current form, but as a party it will survive.

Many predicted the demise of the Democrat party after Reagan and the Reagan Democrats established the predominance of the Republican party for the time, but the Democrats adjusted their line to include more of middle America and they recaptured the initiative. One thing about pendulum&#039;s -- they swing both ways.
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The Republicans will go out of existence well before any change can occur that will get blacks, Hispanics, or Asians to vote for them.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s just a Democrat wet dream, you should be careful who you are listening to. If the Republicans change to slowly it will affect them for a few election cycles before the new Republican party emerges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Blacks have been voting overwhelmingly for Democrats for close to 50 years now. The Republicans have had tons of chances to get a higher percentage and all of them have failed.
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<p>This supports my argument. Republican haven't had to 'win' over minorities over the last 50 years for there to be periods of Republican Presidents and Republican congresses. They've only had to win enough different people over to win elections, the same as the Democrats try to do.</p>
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You are forgetting that a political party has to be able to win a certain number of elections to remain relevant.<br />
The Republican party will soon not be able to win enough elections to remain relevant.
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<p>My argument addresses this. This is only a problem if you apply static thinking to the Republican position. The party will only become irrelevant if they don't change. But just as 'nature abhors a vacuum' the party will change to incorporate roughly 1/3 of the population as outlined above. The GOP position may not resemble its current form, but as a party it will survive.</p>
<p>Many predicted the demise of the Democrat party after Reagan and the Reagan Democrats established the predominance of the Republican party for the time, but the Democrats adjusted their line to include more of middle America and they recaptured the initiative. One thing about pendulum's -- they swing both ways.</p>
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The Republicans will go out of existence well before any change can occur that will get blacks, Hispanics, or Asians to vote for them.
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<p>That's just a Democrat wet dream, you should be careful who you are listening to. If the Republicans change to slowly it will affect them for a few election cycles before the new Republican party emerges.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are forgetting that a political party has to be able to win a certain number of elections to remain relevant. The Republican party will soon not be able to win enough elections to remain relevant.  With over 100 Democratic members of Congress running unopposed, there will soon come a time when that number is over 200. 

Given minorities refusal to vote for Republicans and the number of noncompetitive districts, there are few prospects for 20 somethings who want to be Republicans.  The Bush Administration has destroyed the next generation of Republicans.  

With all demographic trends against Republicans and with no next generation, it is just a matter of time before the Republicans go away. 

If Hillary Clinton cannot find issue or a campaign strategy that will get black to vote for her, then there is nothing that Republicans can do.  The Republicans will go out of existence well before any change can occur that will get blacks, Hispanics, or Asians to vote for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are forgetting that a political party has to be able to win a certain number of elections to remain relevant. The Republican party will soon not be able to win enough elections to remain relevant.  With over 100 Democratic members of Congress running unopposed, there will soon come a time when that number is over 200. </p>
<p>Given minorities refusal to vote for Republicans and the number of noncompetitive districts, there are few prospects for 20 somethings who want to be Republicans.  The Bush Administration has destroyed the next generation of Republicans.  </p>
<p>With all demographic trends against Republicans and with no next generation, it is just a matter of time before the Republicans go away. </p>
<p>If Hillary Clinton cannot find issue or a campaign strategy that will get black to vote for her, then there is nothing that Republicans can do.  The Republicans will go out of existence well before any change can occur that will get blacks, Hispanics, or Asians to vote for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>destroyer,
Rodney and just me have it right.  People&#039;s positions and accepted wisdom change over time and the political parties change with them.  Their only other choice is obscurity and few in the parties are willing to accept that fate.
Sorry you feel oppressed by those minorities who refuse to accept your view of how things should be.
&lt;blockquote&gt;And before that they voted overwelmingly GOP.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
and for good reason in both instances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>destroyer,<br />
Rodney and just me have it right.  People's positions and accepted wisdom change over time and the political parties change with them.  Their only other choice is obscurity and few in the parties are willing to accept that fate.<br />
Sorry you feel oppressed by those minorities who refuse to accept your view of how things should be.</p>
<blockquote><p>And before that they voted overwelmingly GOP.</p></blockquote>
<p>and for good reason in both instances.</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Blacks have been voting overwhelmingly for Democrats for close to 50 years now. The Republicans have had tons of chances to get a higher percentage and all of them have failed. 
&lt;/i&gt;

And before that they voted overwelmingly GOP.  

That is the points.  Things change, and you have to account for that change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Blacks have been voting overwhelmingly for Democrats for close to 50 years now. The Republicans have had tons of chances to get a higher percentage and all of them have failed.<br />
</i></p>
<p>And before that they voted overwelmingly GOP.  </p>
<p>That is the points.  Things change, and you have to account for that change.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blacks have been voting overwhelmingly for Democrats for close to 50 years now.  The Republicans have had tons of chances to get a higher percentage and all of them have failed. 

Many Americans are quite comfortable living in a one party state. Look at states like Maryland or Mass.  Look at people living in DC, Chicago, Cleveland, or Detroit.  Most of them have probably never voted for a Republican or most general election in urban centers are moot exercises for local elections that were decided in the Democratic primary. 

It is much easier to believe that black and Hispanics keep voting for the Democratic Party rather than believe than the republicans can find a strategy that can appeal to them. If Edwards or Clinton cannot get blacks to vote for them.  The Republicans are certainly not going to get any minority votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blacks have been voting overwhelmingly for Democrats for close to 50 years now.  The Republicans have had tons of chances to get a higher percentage and all of them have failed. </p>
<p>Many Americans are quite comfortable living in a one party state. Look at states like Maryland or Mass.  Look at people living in DC, Chicago, Cleveland, or Detroit.  Most of them have probably never voted for a Republican or most general election in urban centers are moot exercises for local elections that were decided in the Democratic primary. </p>
<p>It is much easier to believe that black and Hispanics keep voting for the Democratic Party rather than believe than the republicans can find a strategy that can appeal to them. If Edwards or Clinton cannot get blacks to vote for them.  The Republicans are certainly not going to get any minority votes.</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;America is about 1/3 non-white and non-whites rarely if ever vote for Republicans. &lt;/i&gt;

This assumes that nothing changes-either for the non white as a voter or for those who run/participate in/identify as republican.

Power shifts, and I just don&#039;t see the American voter handing the keys over permanently to one party to reek whatever havoc they so choose.

At some point, the voter realizes they don&#039;t like the havoc being reeked, and they vote the other direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>America is about 1/3 non-white and non-whites rarely if ever vote for Republicans. </i></p>
<p>This assumes that nothing changes-either for the non white as a voter or for those who run/participate in/identify as republican.</p>
<p>Power shifts, and I just don't see the American voter handing the keys over permanently to one party to reek whatever havoc they so choose.</p>
<p>At some point, the voter realizes they don't like the havoc being reeked, and they vote the other direction.</p>
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		<title>By: rodney dill</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodney dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again that is as the Republican party is currently defined. My premise is that Republican will redefine its footing going forward. Just as both parties have in the past. Benjamin Disraeli perhaps said it best --  “I must follow the people. Am I not their leader?” -- Perhaps it will be more difficult and slower for the GOP to redefine itself than it has been for the Democrats, but my prediction is that is will happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again that is as the Republican party is currently defined. My premise is that Republican will redefine its footing going forward. Just as both parties have in the past. Benjamin Disraeli perhaps said it best --  “I must follow the people. Am I not their leader?” -- Perhaps it will be more difficult and slower for the GOP to redefine itself than it has been for the Democrats, but my prediction is that is will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rodney, 

America is about 1/3 non-white and non-whites rarely if ever vote for Republicans. That means that Republicans have to win a majority of the white vote (actually about 54% these days).  If non-whites turned out to vote as the same rate as whites, the Republican Party would be irrelevant today. 

Since the Hispanic and black populations are growing faster than whites and minority voter turnout is going up.  That is why over 100 Democratic Congressmen are running for reelection unopposed. 

Demographics ensures that the Democratic Party will become dominate eventually.  The failures of the Bush Administration have just sped up the process. 

So in the future, the Democratic primary for president will be the de facto Presidential elections but like the Democratic primaries in Chicago are the real election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodney, </p>
<p>America is about 1/3 non-white and non-whites rarely if ever vote for Republicans. That means that Republicans have to win a majority of the white vote (actually about 54% these days).  If non-whites turned out to vote as the same rate as whites, the Republican Party would be irrelevant today. </p>
<p>Since the Hispanic and black populations are growing faster than whites and minority voter turnout is going up.  That is why over 100 Democratic Congressmen are running for reelection unopposed. </p>
<p>Demographics ensures that the Democratic Party will become dominate eventually.  The failures of the Bush Administration have just sped up the process. </p>
<p>So in the future, the Democratic primary for president will be the de facto Presidential elections but like the Democratic primaries in Chicago are the real election.</p>
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		<title>By: rodney dill</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodney dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democrats dominating in certain places or with certain constituencies is far different than the GOP disappearing entirely. Each party only needs to only represent about a third of the total population and not become to non-palatable to the other third. There will still be two parties, with one being the GOP, it may just be reinvented as both parties have done in the past to capture enough of the middle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democrats dominating in certain places or with certain constituencies is far different than the GOP disappearing entirely. Each party only needs to only represent about a third of the total population and not become to non-palatable to the other third. There will still be two parties, with one being the GOP, it may just be reinvented as both parties have done in the past to capture enough of the middle.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rodney, 

The Democratic Party has dominated in places like Philly and Baltimore for decades.  Has the Republicans managed to adjust to the population?  I have not seen it. 

If you have a secret of how Republicans can appeal to blacks and Hispanics, they will pay you a lot for it.  They have tried to decades and every idea has failed miserably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodney, </p>
<p>The Democratic Party has dominated in places like Philly and Baltimore for decades.  Has the Republicans managed to adjust to the population?  I have not seen it. </p>
<p>If you have a secret of how Republicans can appeal to blacks and Hispanics, they will pay you a lot for it.  They have tried to decades and every idea has failed miserably.</p>
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		<title>By: rodney dill</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodney dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;Blockquote&gt;
As the Republican Party collapses and the Democratic Party becomes the only relevant political party, I think that America is seeing the future of politics.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The Republican Party will just redefine itself to incorporate enough people to remain or become again viable. Much like the Democrat party did after Reagan/Bush 41 prior to the advent of Hillbilly boy.
After all there are only two main opposed operative political stances that drive the American political process. &#039;We has Power&#039; and &#039;We wants Power.&#039; Everything else is just apparently window dressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
As the Republican Party collapses and the Democratic Party becomes the only relevant political party, I think that America is seeing the future of politics.
</p></blockquote>
<p>The Republican Party will just redefine itself to incorporate enough people to remain or become again viable. Much like the Democrat party did after Reagan/Bush 41 prior to the advent of Hillbilly boy.<br />
After all there are only two main opposed operative political stances that drive the American political process. 'We has Power' and 'We wants Power.' Everything else is just apparently window dressing.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you look at the demographic changes in the U.S. either the Republicans figure out a way to appeal to blacks and/or Hispanics, or the U.S. becomes a de facto one party state. When you look at politics in states like California, NY, Mass, Md, Illinois, etc it is easy to see that the U.S. can become a one party state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you look at the demographic changes in the U.S. either the Republicans figure out a way to appeal to blacks and/or Hispanics, or the U.S. becomes a de facto one party state. When you look at politics in states like California, NY, Mass, Md, Illinois, etc it is easy to see that the U.S. can become a one party state.</p>
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		<title>By: FireWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>FireWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 04:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to agree with you Chris that it&#039;s doubtful we&#039;ll see a one party system. If we do, we might as well paint our flag red, toss in a hammer and sickle, and start learning a li&#039;l Cyrillic. 

вы не согласились бы?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to agree with you Chris that it's doubtful we'll see a one party system. If we do, we might as well paint our flag red, toss in a hammer and sickle, and start learning a li'l Cyrillic. </p>
<p>вы не согласились бы?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seriously doubt there is going to be a one-party system any time in the near future.  The weaker of the two major parties will adapt, as it always has since the two existing parties got their legally privileged positions around the turn of the 20th century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seriously doubt there is going to be a one-party system any time in the near future.  The weaker of the two major parties will adapt, as it always has since the two existing parties got their legally privileged positions around the turn of the 20th century.</p>
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