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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obamas_aunt_in_us_illegally/comment-page-1/#comment-520611</link>
		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric;
 Just how do you improve on a &quot;lead pipe cinch&quot;??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric;<br />
 Just how do you improve on a "lead pipe cinch"??</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummmmm. Eric... you&#039;re not REALLY suggesting that the &lt;em&gt;London Times&lt;/em&gt; is controlled by the Republicans, are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummmmm. Eric... you're not REALLY suggesting that the <em>London Times</em> is controlled by the Republicans, are you?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, oh. Looks like you righty loonies may have actually *increased* Obama&#039;s aunt&#039;s chances of &lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/experts_leak_on_obamas_aunt_co.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;citizenship&lt;/a&gt; (h/t TPM):

&lt;blockquote&gt; These regulations safeguard information that, if disclosed publicly, could subject the claimant to retaliatory measures by government authorities or non-state actors in the event that the claimant is repatriated, or endanger the security of the claimant&#039;s family members who may still be residing in the country of origin. Moreover, public disclosure might, albeit in rare circumstances, give rise to a plausible protection claim where one would not otherwise exist by bringing an otherwise ineligible claimant to the attention of the government authority or non-state actor against which the claimant has made allegations of mistreatment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Talk about a case of shooting yourself in the foot. Great job, Einsteins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, oh. Looks like you righty loonies may have actually *increased* Obama's aunt's chances of <a href="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/experts_leak_on_obamas_aunt_co.php" rel="nofollow">citizenship</a> (h/t TPM):</p>
<blockquote><p> These regulations safeguard information that, if disclosed publicly, could subject the claimant to retaliatory measures by government authorities or non-state actors in the event that the claimant is repatriated, or endanger the security of the claimant's family members who may still be residing in the country of origin. Moreover, public disclosure might, albeit in rare circumstances, give rise to a plausible protection claim where one would not otherwise exist by bringing an otherwise ineligible claimant to the attention of the government authority or non-state actor against which the claimant has made allegations of mistreatment.</p></blockquote>
<p>Talk about a case of shooting yourself in the foot. Great job, Einsteins.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obamas_aunt_in_us_illegally/comment-page-1/#comment-520532</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You read my comment at the top, Bit?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course.
Did you see Floyd&#039;s response?
He&#039;s right.
Given who runs that place, such manipulation wouldn&#039;t shock me at all.
 
And even assuming the doc is legit, which I doubt, (Why the hell did it take so long for this to get answered? Took time to fabricate?) that still doesn&#039;t answer the question of giving up his citizenship for that Indonesian school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You read my comment at the top, Bit?</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course.<br />
Did you see Floyd's response?<br />
He's right.<br />
Given who runs that place, such manipulation wouldn't shock me at all.</p>
<p>And even assuming the doc is legit, which I doubt, (Why the hell did it take so long for this to get answered? Took time to fabricate?) that still doesn't answer the question of giving up his citizenship for that Indonesian school.</p>
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		<title>By: Obama&#8217;s Wrong Values &#171; Puma Alliance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama&#8217;s Wrong Values &#171; Puma Alliance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The American Dream - Closing Arguments &#171; Puma Alliance</title>
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		<dc:creator>The American Dream - Closing Arguments &#171; Puma Alliance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 05:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And he&#039;s not??&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No.

Hope that helps.

Seriously, there are multiple perfectly reasonable reasons to oppose an Obama presidency, and I think that JJ and Verdon have proved that here.  But that&#039;s all boring and what not, so let&#039;s keep pretending that Obama is a secret Muslim from Kenya/Canada/Malcom X&#039;s vagina. 

That said, I will give Joyner credit for allowing Rodney Dill to contribute here after his parents have clearly told him to go to bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And he's not??</p></blockquote>
<p>No.</p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
<p>Seriously, there are multiple perfectly reasonable reasons to oppose an Obama presidency, and I think that JJ and Verdon have proved that here.  But that's all boring and what not, so let's keep pretending that Obama is a secret Muslim from Kenya/Canada/Malcom X's vagina. </p>
<p>That said, I will give Joyner credit for allowing Rodney Dill to contribute here after his parents have clearly told him to go to bed.</p>
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		<title>By: rodney dill</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodney dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Illegal alien?
What does she charge for housekeeping services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illegal alien?<br />
What does she charge for housekeeping services.</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam;
  That could explain Last week&#039;s trip to Hawaii, now wouldn&#039;t it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam;<br />
  That could explain Last week's trip to Hawaii, now wouldn't it!</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yeah, well there is that, isn&#039;t there? That nagging question...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You read my comment at the top, Bit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yeah, well there is that, isn't there? That nagging question...</p></blockquote>
<p>You read my comment at the top, Bit?</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;By the way, you may be the only person in America who gives a damn what Peter Schweizer of the UK Daily Mail has to say. You and Lady Lynn de Rothschild, of course&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, I&#039;m supposed to ignore a source because you don&#039;t like it? Or perhaps this is about the ideas which you can&#039;t argue against, as easily as you can attack the source?
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;And he&#039;s not??&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, well there is that, isn&#039;t there? That nagging question...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By the way, you may be the only person in America who gives a damn what Peter Schweizer of the UK Daily Mail has to say. You and Lady Lynn de Rothschild, of course</p></blockquote>
<p>So, I'm supposed to ignore a source because you don't like it? Or perhaps this is about the ideas which you can't argue against, as easily as you can attack the source?</p>
<blockquote><p>And he's not??</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, well there is that, isn't there? That nagging question...</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;Obama’s Aunt in U.S. Illegally&quot;&quot;
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And he&#039;s not??</description>
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And he's not??</p>
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		<title>By: Pug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tuesday is going to be a long, long day for you, Bithead.  I can hardly wait.

By the way, you may be the only person in America who gives a damn what Peter Schweizer of the UK Daily Mail has to say.  You and Lady Lynn de Rothschild, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tuesday is going to be a long, long day for you, Bithead.  I can hardly wait.</p>
<p>By the way, you may be the only person in America who gives a damn what Peter Schweizer of the UK Daily Mail has to say.  You and Lady Lynn de Rothschild, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/obamas_aunt_in_us_illegally/comment-page-1/#comment-520367</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just me; You ask the correct questions, and the oens the left would like you to ignore.  The answer can be found in the Democrat way of dealing with &#039;charity&#039;. 

Examnples abound; 

We see Obama&#039;s tax returns since 2000, and we find his giving amounted to less tha 1% of the millions he&#039;s made. 

 We see Joe Biden, who made millions in the last two years, gave a grand total of $3300 to charity. A Democrat thinks charity is the work of government.

Yet, as you note, we see Democrats screaming the government should do more. Clearly, a Democrat thinks charity is the work of government.

Peter Schweizer, of UK&#039;s Daily Mail, said last June:
 &lt;blockquote&gt;   George Orwell once wrote that politics was closely related to social identity. ‘One sometimes gets the impression,’ he wrote in The Road To Wigan Pier, ‘that the mere words socialism and communism draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, nature-cure quack, pacifist and feminist in England’.

    Orwell was making an observation. But today a whole body of academic research shows he was correct: your politics influence the manner in which you live your life. And the news is not so good for those on the political Left.

    There is plenty of data that shows that Right-wingers are happier, more generous to charities, less likely to commit suicide - and even hug their children more than those on the Left.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is a shock to me not at all, except possibly that someone did get charged under hate crime laws for printing it in what’s left of the UK. Schweizer, goes on:

  &lt;blockquote&gt;  In the Sixties, we saw the beginning of a narcissism and self-absorption that gripped the Left and has not let go.

    The full-scale embrace of the importance of self-awareness, self-discovery and being ‘true’ to oneself, along with the idea that the State should care for the less fortunate, has created a swathe of Left-wing people who want to outsource their obligations to others.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Outsource it to where? Why, to government of course. The left feels it’s doing it’s part if they’re paying into a system ostensibly designed to maintain the poor at a minimum standard of living and solve all their problems. The fact that the government systems the left think so highly of does not do so, matters not at all. Don’t bother the left with mere facts.

And let&#039;s look at what the left considers &#039;chairty&#039;...

&lt;blockquote&gt;    Uber-progressive Barbra Streisand gives lots of money to charity but the largest recipients are not organisations that feed the hungry - the cash goes to advocacy organisations such as The Bill Clinton Foundation.

    Similarly, Michael Moore gives to film festivals and elite cultural institutions such as the Lincoln Center - but barely a penny goes to needy people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The ideas of the left surrounding charity are completely nihilist. Supporting the poor and the needy is government work, to the left. Charity, they view not as supporting non-government engines that actually help the poor, but rather to these, charity is supporting political groups that support their own worldview.

And so, Obama&#039;s family member sits in a rat infested slum in Boston, from whom his campaign has already accepted money to help him get elected.... ON the record it comes out to around $260.

And even leaving aside that she is an illegal alien, which by definition makes her a foreign national and thereby the political donations illegal, there seems to me a moral lesson here, and therein an answer to your questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just me; You ask the correct questions, and the oens the left would like you to ignore.  The answer can be found in the Democrat way of dealing with 'charity'. </p>
<p>Examnples abound; </p>
<p>We see Obama's tax returns since 2000, and we find his giving amounted to less tha 1% of the millions he's made. </p>
<p> We see Joe Biden, who made millions in the last two years, gave a grand total of $3300 to charity. A Democrat thinks charity is the work of government.</p>
<p>Yet, as you note, we see Democrats screaming the government should do more. Clearly, a Democrat thinks charity is the work of government.</p>
<p>Peter Schweizer, of UK's Daily Mail, said last June:</p>
<blockquote><p>   George Orwell once wrote that politics was closely related to social identity. ‘One sometimes gets the impression,&rsquo; he wrote in The Road To Wigan Pier, ‘that the mere words socialism and communism draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, nature-cure quack, pacifist and feminist in England&rsquo;.</p>
<p>    Orwell was making an observation. But today a whole body of academic research shows he was correct: your politics influence the manner in which you live your life. And the news is not so good for those on the political Left.</p>
<p>    There is plenty of data that shows that Right-wingers are happier, more generous to charities, less likely to commit suicide - and even hug their children more than those on the Left.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a shock to me not at all, except possibly that someone did get charged under hate crime laws for printing it in what&rsquo;s left of the UK. Schweizer, goes on:</p>
<blockquote><p>  In the Sixties, we saw the beginning of a narcissism and self-absorption that gripped the Left and has not let go.</p>
<p>    The full-scale embrace of the importance of self-awareness, self-discovery and being ‘true&rsquo; to oneself, along with the idea that the State should care for the less fortunate, has created a swathe of Left-wing people who want to outsource their obligations to others.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Outsource it to where? Why, to government of course. The left feels it&rsquo;s doing it&rsquo;s part if they&rsquo;re paying into a system ostensibly designed to maintain the poor at a minimum standard of living and solve all their problems. The fact that the government systems the left think so highly of does not do so, matters not at all. Don&rsquo;t bother the left with mere facts.</p>
<p>And let's look at what the left considers 'chairty'...</p>
<blockquote><p>    Uber-progressive Barbra Streisand gives lots of money to charity but the largest recipients are not organisations that feed the hungry - the cash goes to advocacy organisations such as The Bill Clinton Foundation.</p>
<p>    Similarly, Michael Moore gives to film festivals and elite cultural institutions such as the Lincoln Center - but barely a penny goes to needy people.</p></blockquote>
<p>The ideas of the left surrounding charity are completely nihilist. Supporting the poor and the needy is government work, to the left. Charity, they view not as supporting non-government engines that actually help the poor, but rather to these, charity is supporting political groups that support their own worldview.</p>
<p>And so, Obama's family member sits in a rat infested slum in Boston, from whom his campaign has already accepted money to help him get elected.... ON the record it comes out to around $260.</p>
<p>And even leaving aside that she is an illegal alien, which by definition makes her a foreign national and thereby the political donations illegal, there seems to me a moral lesson here, and therein an answer to your questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Tricia Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tricia Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they are just trying to come up with whatever they can to get people to not vote for him. There are millions and millions of illegal immigrants living in the united states and receiving public housing and assistance and you don&#039;t see that making headlines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they are just trying to come up with whatever they can to get people to not vote for him. There are millions and millions of illegal immigrants living in the united states and receiving public housing and assistance and you don't see that making headlines.</p>
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