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	<title>Comments on: Oldest Fish Fossil Found in South Africa</title>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/oldest_fish_fossil_found_in_south_africa/comment-page-1/#comment-102168</link>
		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anderson;i somehow missed the charity in your remark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anderson;i somehow missed the charity in your remark.</p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/oldest_fish_fossil_found_in_south_africa/comment-page-1/#comment-102153</link>
		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 21:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some minor problematical points:

1. The fossil is 360 million years old. The first jawed fishes emerged in the Silurian, over 400 million years ago. Therefore this fossil cannot be of a species ancestral to modern jawed fishes. Nor of bony fishes, which are a sublineage of jawed fishes. Rather, this is a fossil from &quot;up the lamprey lineage&quot;, well after it diverged from the lineage that became jawed vertebrates.

2. The article refers to &quot;eel lampreys&quot; which is an unfortunate term, using &quot;eel&quot; to convey the sense that it is long and cylindrical. Eels, however, are a group of bony fish well up the evolutionary tree from lampreys, so no close relationship should be inferred.

3. To be picky, lampreys and hagfish are not really part of the same &quot;family&quot; of early vertebrates. As best as can be determined, hagfish arose as one branch of early vertebrates, whereas the lamprey lineage diverged somewhat later. The fact that both groups survive today, and lack jaws caused many systematists to group them together, but the sense now is that they do not have a common ancestor unique to themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some minor problematical points:</p>
<p>1. The fossil is 360 million years old. The first jawed fishes emerged in the Silurian, over 400 million years ago. Therefore this fossil cannot be of a species ancestral to modern jawed fishes. Nor of bony fishes, which are a sublineage of jawed fishes. Rather, this is a fossil from "up the lamprey lineage", well after it diverged from the lineage that became jawed vertebrates.</p>
<p>2. The article refers to "eel lampreys" which is an unfortunate term, using "eel" to convey the sense that it is long and cylindrical. Eels, however, are a group of bony fish well up the evolutionary tree from lampreys, so no close relationship should be inferred.</p>
<p>3. To be picky, lampreys and hagfish are not really part of the same "family" of early vertebrates. As best as can be determined, hagfish arose as one branch of early vertebrates, whereas the lamprey lineage diverged somewhat later. The fact that both groups survive today, and lack jaws caused many systematists to group them together, but the sense now is that they do not have a common ancestor unique to themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I see some of the more liberal guests making fun of OTB readers who are Christians.&lt;/em&gt; 

Really?  What guests are those?  I&#039;m a Christian, and all I see are some comments making fun of people who are stupid (or, charitably, &quot;ignorant&quot;).

Or do you define &quot;Christian&quot; as &quot;one who believes the world was made in 4004 B.C.&quot;?  &quot;One who disbelieves the theory of evolution by natural selection&quot;?

Definitions like those are insulting to Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I see some of the more liberal guests making fun of OTB readers who are Christians.</em> </p>
<p>Really?  What guests are those?  I'm a Christian, and all I see are some comments making fun of people who are stupid (or, charitably, "ignorant").</p>
<p>Or do you define "Christian" as "one who believes the world was made in 4004 B.C."?  "One who disbelieves the theory of evolution by natural selection"?</p>
<p>Definitions like those are insulting to Christians.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Plunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Plunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see some of the more liberal guests making fun of OTB readers who are Christians.  Lovely.  Of course no one has yet posted anything to confirm their suspicions.  I guess a little presumption mixed with intolerance makes it all the more funny.

For the record, so as not to be seen as unedumacated, I believe the world is very, very old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see some of the more liberal guests making fun of OTB readers who are Christians.  Lovely.  Of course no one has yet posted anything to confirm their suspicions.  I guess a little presumption mixed with intolerance makes it all the more funny.</p>
<p>For the record, so as not to be seen as unedumacated, I believe the world is very, very old.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*well i guess i can stop saving that one in my fridge , which i thought was the real record!*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*well i guess i can stop saving that one in my fridge , which i thought was the real record!*</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Repent, Steve!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repent, Steve!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But the world is only 6000 years old…however can you explain this to your readers? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You mean like Anderson?  Well he seems to have come up with a novel interpretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But the world is only 6000 years old…however can you explain this to your readers? </p></blockquote>
<p>You mean like Anderson?  Well he seems to have come up with a novel interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God cleverly put that fossil there to damn those who put their trust in the media, rather than in the Holy Scripture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God cleverly put that fossil there to damn those who put their trust in the media, rather than in the Holy Scripture.</p>
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		<title>By: madmatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>madmatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the world is only 6000 years old...however can you explain this to your readers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the world is only 6000 years old...however can you explain this to your readers?</p>
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