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	<title>Comments on: On &#8220;Moderate Islam&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Dantheman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dantheman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/trudy_rubin/20080618_Worldview__Only_Arab_moderates_can_counter_Islamists.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Another view of Moderate Islam, complete with relevant book recommendation&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/trudy_rubin/20080618_Worldview__Only_Arab_moderates_can_counter_Islamists.html" rel="nofollow">Another view of Moderate Islam, complete with relevant book recommendation</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/on-moderate-islam/comment-page-1/#comment-418791</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem is a little more complex than that.  There are policy preferences on the one hand and attitudes that support the development of modern societies on the other.  They don&#039;t necessarily go in lock step.  In principle I can envision an radical Islamist supporting some particular policy of ours.  Does that make it prudent to support the radical Islamist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem is a little more complex than that.  There are policy preferences on the one hand and attitudes that support the development of modern societies on the other.  They don't necessarily go in lock step.  In principle I can envision an radical Islamist supporting some particular policy of ours.  Does that make it prudent to support the radical Islamist?</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remarked on this point &lt;a href=&quot;http://bitsblog.florack.us/?p=4711&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a couple years ago&lt;/a&gt;, and identified the problem with trying to address the religion itself, and thereby what constitutes a Islamic moderate:

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is one reason I’ve always been somewhat uncomfortable with the phrase “Islamic fundamentalism”; There is still a great deal of argument as to specifically what that phrase means, because the fundamentals of Islam are still in the discussion stage, even among its most adherent followers. For someone to call themselves fundamentalist, assumes that said person has a fundamental understanding of their religion. Yet, that still is ill defined at best, because they themselves can’t agree on what it means, on any more than a superficial level. Without that understanding, the phrase “Islamic fundamentalism” simply does not apply anymore than “Fundamental Christianity” does to pre-Guttenburg Christians.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

On that same basis, then, it seems clear to me that “boosting moderate Islam”, requires we have an understanding of the meaning of that phrase. And we don&#039;t... because in reality, they don&#039;t either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remarked on this point <a href="http://bitsblog.florack.us/?p=4711" rel="nofollow">a couple years ago</a>, and identified the problem with trying to address the religion itself, and thereby what constitutes a Islamic moderate:</p>
<blockquote><p>This is one reason I&rsquo;ve always been somewhat uncomfortable with the phrase “Islamic fundamentalism”; There is still a great deal of argument as to specifically what that phrase means, because the fundamentals of Islam are still in the discussion stage, even among its most adherent followers. For someone to call themselves fundamentalist, assumes that said person has a fundamental understanding of their religion. Yet, that still is ill defined at best, because they themselves can&rsquo;t agree on what it means, on any more than a superficial level. Without that understanding, the phrase “Islamic fundamentalism” simply does not apply anymore than “Fundamental Christianity” does to pre-Guttenburg Christians.</p></blockquote>
<p>On that same basis, then, it seems clear to me that “boosting moderate Islam”, requires we have an understanding of the meaning of that phrase. And we don't... because in reality, they don't either.</p>
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