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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat, you said that Miers&#039;s business-lawyer background made her especially likely to understand the &quot;need&quot; for tort reform (itself a dubious term, but whatever).  Remember saying that?  

Now, how do you avoid the inference that you would expect Miers&#039;s decisions to be based on her personal experience, not just on the law?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat, you said that Miers's business-lawyer background made her especially likely to understand the "need" for tort reform (itself a dubious term, but whatever).  Remember saying that?  </p>
<p>Now, how do you avoid the inference that you would expect Miers's decisions to be based on her personal experience, not just on the law?</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney Dill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney Dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh.

&lt;i&gt;Really? It seems like the batshit crazy rightous rightâs cage has been rattled far, far moreâ¦&lt;/i&gt;

Case in point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh.</p>
<p><i>Really? It seems like the batshit crazy rightous rightâs cage has been rattled far, far moreâ¦</i></p>
<p>Case in point.</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/on_harriet_miers/comment-page-1/#comment-60621</link>
		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 03:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... It is so much fun to rattle the moonbat cage whilst we wait.&quot;

Really?  It seems like the batshit crazy rightous right&#039;s cage has been rattled far, far more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"... It is so much fun to rattle the moonbat cage whilst we wait."</p>
<p>Really?  It seems like the batshit crazy rightous right's cage has been rattled far, far more...</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/on_harriet_miers/comment-page-1/#comment-60618</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 02:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DL,

But we also need a judicial system that won&#039;t find some abstruse constitutional theory that allows them to overrule the legislative branch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DL,</p>
<p>But we also need a judicial system that won't find some abstruse constitutional theory that allows them to overrule the legislative branch.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/on_harriet_miers/comment-page-1/#comment-60608</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bithead, I donât agree that Miers is the best that Bush can get through a Senate with a 55-Republican majority.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Neither do I.

Of course, where we DISagree, is that Bush HAS a 55 Republican majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bithead, I donât agree that Miers is the best that Bush can get through a Senate with a 55-Republican majority.</p></blockquote>
<p>Neither do I.</p>
<p>Of course, where we DISagree, is that Bush HAS a 55 Republican majority.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Isnât that what it means when you say he couldnât get anyone better through the Senate?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Given the state of the Senate, wouldn&#039;t you say it was the best move to make?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Isnât that what it means when you say he couldnât get anyone better through the Senate?</p></blockquote>
<p>Given the state of the Senate, wouldn't you say it was the best move to make?</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I want a SCOTUS judge who will stop this crap, not by legislating from the bench, but by ruling whether the legal devices, such as class action law suits, are actually constitutional.&quot;

Pat
I would rather our legislative branch had the courage to pass a good tort reform bill that would scare the crap out of these lottery -lawyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I want a SCOTUS judge who will stop this crap, not by legislating from the bench, but by ruling whether the legal devices, such as class action law suits, are actually constitutional."</p>
<p>Pat<br />
I would rather our legislative branch had the courage to pass a good tort reform bill that would scare the crap out of these lottery -lawyers.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to comment to all regarding the Bush choice for nominee Miers. She will most likely be confirmed, not because she is a conservative, but because she is not an ultra conservitive. My main regrett in this whole affair is that of timing. It is just to damn bad that this whole scenerio could not have taken place while the white house was occupied by a man of inteligence rather than the nit wit that now resides there now. 

I have no problem with under God in the pledge, I have no problem with prayer in school, nor do I have a problem with religious holidays in school. I do how ever have a big problem with over zellous, hipocritial religious right wing republicans in the U S Congres and Senate. Our forfathers wrote a constitution that seperated church and state and it&#039;s about time to abide by it. As far as Roe v Wade, the court mearly stood up for a woman&#039;s right that never should have been chalenged in the first place. 

And as a matter of proven fact the state of Texas never had a worse Governor than Bush, that is, until we got Perry. Oh yes, I would like to wish a Merry Christmas to Tom DeLay, I hope you enjoy Huntsville.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to comment to all regarding the Bush choice for nominee Miers. She will most likely be confirmed, not because she is a conservative, but because she is not an ultra conservitive. My main regrett in this whole affair is that of timing. It is just to damn bad that this whole scenerio could not have taken place while the white house was occupied by a man of inteligence rather than the nit wit that now resides there now. </p>
<p>I have no problem with under God in the pledge, I have no problem with prayer in school, nor do I have a problem with religious holidays in school. I do how ever have a big problem with over zellous, hipocritial religious right wing republicans in the U S Congres and Senate. Our forfathers wrote a constitution that seperated church and state and it's about time to abide by it. As far as Roe v Wade, the court mearly stood up for a woman's right that never should have been chalenged in the first place. </p>
<p>And as a matter of proven fact the state of Texas never had a worse Governor than Bush, that is, until we got Perry. Oh yes, I would like to wish a Merry Christmas to Tom DeLay, I hope you enjoy Huntsville.</p>
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		<title>By: Fersboo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fersboo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I don&#039;t recall ever receiving a guide on being a Republican, nor have I ever been threatened for not towing the party line.  When exactly was the Republican Party united in lockstep Hal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I don't recall ever receiving a guide on being a Republican, nor have I ever been threatened for not towing the party line.  When exactly was the Republican Party united in lockstep Hal?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson: I don&#039;t know how you got from my comment on tort reform to this &quot;So weâre supposed to have judges who decide cases based on their own personal experience, not on the law and the merits?&#039;&quot;

My point was that tort reform is urgently required but Scotus, to date, has not taken any substantive cases that address the issues. Miers knows commercial litigation, has the experience of working in one of the worst states (from a tort reform perspective), is numerate, and is not on the side of the Trial Lawyers Association. From the WPO Today:

&quot;Miers&#039;s letter urging Bush to veto legislation came as lawmakers were debating a host of measures he had pushed that were aimed at limiting lawsuits. The Texas Supreme Court had announced that it was going to launch a study of contingency fee arrangements, in which lawyers agree to take a case in return for a percentage of the verdict, which prompted trial lawyers to lobby lawmakers to pass the bill in question.

Bill Whitehurst, former president of the Texas Trial Lawyers Association, said lawmakers were concerned that the state Supreme Court was &quot;getting ready to do something that was not the court&#039;s prerogative.&quot;

But Miers called the legislation an &quot;assault&quot; on the state Supreme Court&#039;s authority to regulate and discipline lawyers and said the legislature had overstepped its bounds. If the bill became law, she warned, it would only benefit special interests that had &quot;brought shame on this State, badly hurt our economic development efforts and continue to this day to cause our State to be held in disrepute for &#039;justice for sale.&#039; &quot; Bush vetoed the bill.&quot;

Merck lost their first Vioxx case in a Texas court because a stupid jury could not understand and did not want to understand technical evidence. Here&#039;s the WSJ on that case:

&quot;Merck argued that Vioxx couldn&#039;t have caused Mr. Ernst&#039;s death because, according to his death certificate, he died of an arrhythmia or irregular heartbeat, not a heart attack. While scientific evidence suggests Vioxx can promote blood clots leading to a heart attack, no data have linked the drug with arrhythmias.&quot;

&quot;Jurors who voted against Merck said much of the science sailed right over their heads. &quot;Whenever Merck was up there, it was like wah, wah, wah,&quot; said juror John Ostrom, imitating the sounds Charlie Brown&#039;s teacher makes in the television cartoon. &#039;We didn&#039;t know what the heck they were talking about.&#039;&quot;

I want a SCOTUS judge who will stop this crap, not by legislating from the bench, but by ruling whether the legal devices, such as class action law suits, are actually constitutional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson: I don't know how you got from my comment on tort reform to this "So weâre supposed to have judges who decide cases based on their own personal experience, not on the law and the merits?'"</p>
<p>My point was that tort reform is urgently required but Scotus, to date, has not taken any substantive cases that address the issues. Miers knows commercial litigation, has the experience of working in one of the worst states (from a tort reform perspective), is numerate, and is not on the side of the Trial Lawyers Association. From the WPO Today:</p>
<p>"Miers's letter urging Bush to veto legislation came as lawmakers were debating a host of measures he had pushed that were aimed at limiting lawsuits. The Texas Supreme Court had announced that it was going to launch a study of contingency fee arrangements, in which lawyers agree to take a case in return for a percentage of the verdict, which prompted trial lawyers to lobby lawmakers to pass the bill in question.</p>
<p>Bill Whitehurst, former president of the Texas Trial Lawyers Association, said lawmakers were concerned that the state Supreme Court was "getting ready to do something that was not the court's prerogative."</p>
<p>But Miers called the legislation an "assault" on the state Supreme Court's authority to regulate and discipline lawyers and said the legislature had overstepped its bounds. If the bill became law, she warned, it would only benefit special interests that had "brought shame on this State, badly hurt our economic development efforts and continue to this day to cause our State to be held in disrepute for 'justice for sale.' " Bush vetoed the bill."</p>
<p>Merck lost their first Vioxx case in a Texas court because a stupid jury could not understand and did not want to understand technical evidence. Here's the WSJ on that case:</p>
<p>"Merck argued that Vioxx couldn't have caused Mr. Ernst's death because, according to his death certificate, he died of an arrhythmia or irregular heartbeat, not a heart attack. While scientific evidence suggests Vioxx can promote blood clots leading to a heart attack, no data have linked the drug with arrhythmias."</p>
<p>"Jurors who voted against Merck said much of the science sailed right over their heads. "Whenever Merck was up there, it was like wah, wah, wah," said juror John Ostrom, imitating the sounds Charlie Brown's teacher makes in the television cartoon. 'We didn't know what the heck they were talking about.'"</p>
<p>I want a SCOTUS judge who will stop this crap, not by legislating from the bench, but by ruling whether the legal devices, such as class action law suits, are actually constitutional.</p>
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		<title>By: hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who leans a bit leftish as bad or worse than the most &quot;liberal.&quot;  

No.

You miss the point.  Unrestrained power is always a problem which is why many people prefer the executive and at least part of the congress to be of different parties.

But diversity can also exist within a single party.  However Republicans thought to commit themselves to a machine that punished dissent.  They nurtured an administration in hubris.

The consequences were predictable to our founders.  That Republican&#039;s failed to remember them calls into question their loyalty to &quot;traditional values.&quot;

They elevated a leader to the status Washington warned against.  Now some are seeing the consequences.

Whic is good.  It&#039;s the way the system is supposed to be.  One does want a poloitical system based on the vision of Rove or &quot;dittoheads&quot; where one rigid ideology rules and bad people are punished.

Republican&#039;s can gain from the conflict which the recent nomination has brought to national consciousness.  As the president (quite correctly IMO) imitates aspects of Jimmy Carter they can see that he followed the legacy of LBJ with massive war  and domestic spending increases magnified by deficits and then oil shocks.

It is time to get serious.  The game playing of recent years pretending that government was focused on potential crisis will have to cease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who leans a bit leftish as bad or worse than the most "liberal."  </p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>You miss the point.  Unrestrained power is always a problem which is why many people prefer the executive and at least part of the congress to be of different parties.</p>
<p>But diversity can also exist within a single party.  However Republicans thought to commit themselves to a machine that punished dissent.  They nurtured an administration in hubris.</p>
<p>The consequences were predictable to our founders.  That Republican's failed to remember them calls into question their loyalty to "traditional values."</p>
<p>They elevated a leader to the status Washington warned against.  Now some are seeing the consequences.</p>
<p>Whic is good.  It's the way the system is supposed to be.  One does want a poloitical system based on the vision of Rove or "dittoheads" where one rigid ideology rules and bad people are punished.</p>
<p>Republican's can gain from the conflict which the recent nomination has brought to national consciousness.  As the president (quite correctly IMO) imitates aspects of Jimmy Carter they can see that he followed the legacy of LBJ with massive war  and domestic spending increases magnified by deficits and then oil shocks.</p>
<p>It is time to get serious.  The game playing of recent years pretending that government was focused on potential crisis will have to cease.</p>
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		<title>By: JAKE</title>
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		<dc:creator>JAKE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, liberal bashing notwithstanding, it seems to me the most hateful criticisms are coming from the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, liberal bashing notwithstanding, it seems to me the most hateful criticisms are coming from the right.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From answers like the above I am convinced that it is the inside the beltway types like Kristol and his ilk that are fueling the feeling that this decision can only mean the abrupt end of the conservative movement.  It seems like the majority of the reasonably educated but every day type folks recognize the President committed no sin upon the Constitution and are willing to sit back and see for themselves how well Miers, herself, performs before the Judiciary Committee.  If this attitude makes me a Bush toadie, well your entitled to think that - but I just don&#039;t see it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From answers like the above I am convinced that it is the inside the beltway types like Kristol and his ilk that are fueling the feeling that this decision can only mean the abrupt end of the conservative movement.  It seems like the majority of the reasonably educated but every day type folks recognize the President committed no sin upon the Constitution and are willing to sit back and see for themselves how well Miers, herself, performs before the Judiciary Committee.  If this attitude makes me a Bush toadie, well your entitled to think that - but I just don't see it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to pick one thing from Pat:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I regard tort reform as a major priority. Miers is the most likely to understand the economic damage the current system has done. She would be Bill Gates pick for the court, or Merckâs, or Dow Corningâs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So we&#039;re supposed to have judges who decide cases based on their own personal experience, not on the law and the merits?

Yikes.  Where have all the conservatives gone?

(There are good reasons, btw, why the Constitution is not written to allow Microsoft, or Merck, or Dow Corning to nominate justices.)

Congrats to Stotch, btw, for keeping OTB lively in JJ&#039;s absence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to pick one thing from Pat:</p>
<blockquote><p>I regard tort reform as a major priority. Miers is the most likely to understand the economic damage the current system has done. She would be Bill Gates pick for the court, or Merckâs, or Dow Corningâs.</p></blockquote>
<p>So we're supposed to have judges who decide cases based on their own personal experience, not on the law and the merits?</p>
<p>Yikes.  Where have all the conservatives gone?</p>
<p>(There are good reasons, btw, why the Constitution is not written to allow Microsoft, or Merck, or Dow Corning to nominate justices.)</p>
<p>Congrats to Stotch, btw, for keeping OTB lively in JJ's absence.</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Points that have been missed:

Bush will likely get one, maybe two more picks.

We don&#039;t know if any of the &quot;more qualified&quot; candidates have looked at what happened to Bork and Thomas, looked at their own records, and then decided they don&#039;t actually want to go through the process. I&#039;m going to go out on a limb and suggest a couple of the hot names turned down the White House.

Miers did argue and win a 12th amendment case. Noboy else on the SCOTUS has done that.

The Rino&#039;s, the gang of 12, the cry babies and the grand standers could all bail on the President if the Democrats stamp their feet and throw a tantrum. Look what happened to Michael Miranda.

Miers should please the NRA. Which other current justice packed heat?

I regard tort reform as a major priority. Miers is the most likely to understand the economic damage the current system has done. She would be Bill Gates pick for the court, or Merck&#039;s, or Dow Corning&#039;s.

Conservatives should stop insulting and belittling the President&#039;s pick until the confirmation hearings start. Then we&#039;ll learn whether she is as good as W thinks, or as bad as Will, Krauthammer, Bork and Kristol claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Points that have been missed:</p>
<p>Bush will likely get one, maybe two more picks.</p>
<p>We don't know if any of the "more qualified" candidates have looked at what happened to Bork and Thomas, looked at their own records, and then decided they don't actually want to go through the process. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest a couple of the hot names turned down the White House.</p>
<p>Miers did argue and win a 12th amendment case. Noboy else on the SCOTUS has done that.</p>
<p>The Rino's, the gang of 12, the cry babies and the grand standers could all bail on the President if the Democrats stamp their feet and throw a tantrum. Look what happened to Michael Miranda.</p>
<p>Miers should please the NRA. Which other current justice packed heat?</p>
<p>I regard tort reform as a major priority. Miers is the most likely to understand the economic damage the current system has done. She would be Bill Gates pick for the court, or Merck's, or Dow Corning's.</p>
<p>Conservatives should stop insulting and belittling the President's pick until the confirmation hearings start. Then we'll learn whether she is as good as W thinks, or as bad as Will, Krauthammer, Bork and Kristol claim.</p>
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