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		<title>By: Consul-At-Arms</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/our_mercenary_troops/comment-page-1/#comment-111601</link>
		<dc:creator>Consul-At-Arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair and balanced appraisal.  Nice work.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2007/02/re-our-mercenary-troops-ingrates-in.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;ve quoted you and linked to you here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair and balanced appraisal.  Nice work.</p>
<p><a href="http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2007/02/re-our-mercenary-troops-ingrates-in.html" rel="nofollow">I've quoted you and linked to you here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/our_mercenary_troops/comment-page-1/#comment-111514</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Anderson, I think his words did fit his deeds. Col. Jessup red flagged Pvt. Santiago because he thought that was how he was going to help make him a better Marine.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, but it killed him, then he acted in ways to cover it up and let two of his marines take the fall for it.  I&#039;m sorry, but he is a sociopath and his actions and his words indicate that he is actually a threat to what makes America America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anderson, I think his words did fit his deeds. Col. Jessup red flagged Pvt. Santiago because he thought that was how he was going to help make him a better Marine.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, but it killed him, then he acted in ways to cover it up and let two of his marines take the fall for it.  I'm sorry, but he is a sociopath and his actions and his words indicate that he is actually a threat to what makes America America.</p>
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		<title>By: Leaning Straight Up</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/our_mercenary_troops/comment-page-1/#comment-111498</link>
		<dc:creator>Leaning Straight Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The magic continues, Arkins new post is now dated 5:31PM...&lt;/strong&gt;

His mystery post that last night was dates at 5:31 am, is now dated 5:31 PM

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The magic continues, Arkins new post is now dated 5:31PM...</strong></p>
<p>His mystery post that last night was dates at 5:31 am, is now dated 5:31 PM</p>
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		<title>By: lunacy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/our_mercenary_troops/comment-page-1/#comment-111483</link>
		<dc:creator>lunacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been ONE soldier spat on recently. There have been other incidents that I have read about over the past few years. 

I&#039;m not going to go look them up, but I recall reading of a similar situation in Oregon last year during a protest and another few incidents in California last year or two years ago during another protest. I even recall reading of soldiers getting ambushed and physically assaulted at some of the west coast protests. I&#039;m sure Matt and Scott (blackfive, indepundit) have a better recollection on their blogs.

And like much crime that goes on in the nation, surely for every incident you HEAR about there must be some that you DON&#039;T HEAR about.

Lunacy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been ONE soldier spat on recently. There have been other incidents that I have read about over the past few years. </p>
<p>I'm not going to go look them up, but I recall reading of a similar situation in Oregon last year during a protest and another few incidents in California last year or two years ago during another protest. I even recall reading of soldiers getting ambushed and physically assaulted at some of the west coast protests. I'm sure Matt and Scott (blackfive, indepundit) have a better recollection on their blogs.</p>
<p>And like much crime that goes on in the nation, surely for every incident you HEAR about there must be some that you DON'T HEAR about.</p>
<p>Lunacy</p>
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		<title>By: Leaning Straight Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leaning Straight Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;William Arkin &#8220;inserts&#8221; some slightly more moderate comments...&lt;/strong&gt;

I will say that it is odd that his post is dated 5:31 am, but the first comment is 547 PM
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>William Arkin &#8220;inserts&#8221; some slightly more moderate comments...</strong></p>
<p>I will say that it is odd that his post is dated 5:31 am, but the first comment is 547 PM<br />
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		<title>By: NW Bloggers</title>
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		<dc:creator>NW Bloggers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;William Arkin &#8220;inserts&#8221; some slightly more moderate comments...&lt;/strong&gt;

And I mean that literally.&#160; Like a few other observant bloggers,&#160;I was suprised when this post appeared in his side bar:
A Note to My Readers on Supporting the Troops&#160;

I swear that since it magically appeared I have seen it move in posi...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>William Arkin &#8220;inserts&#8221; some slightly more moderate comments...</strong></p>
<p>And I mean that literally.  Like a few other observant bloggers, I was suprised when this post appeared in his side bar:<br />
A Note to My Readers on Supporting the Troops </p>
<p>I swear that since it magically appeared I have seen it move in posi...</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 01:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yes, remember that the military “work for the United States of America and only the United States of America”. But also remember they can stop working anytime. 
&lt;/i&gt;

Huh?  You must not know much about the military.

#1 the military as a whole can&#039;t stop working, they go and do and keep doing until the CiC says stop.  The generals don&#039;t get to tell the civilians in charge to jump in a lake, and if they don&#039;t, nobody else below them does.

#2 Individuals don&#039;t get the option of quitting anytime they want.  Everyone who signs up signs up for an 8 year hitch in some fashion of active, reserve, inactive reserve duty.  They don&#039;t get to quit anytime they want.  After the 8 year hitch, officers can generally resign their commissions whenever they want, but enlistees sign up for specified amounts of time, and they don&#039;t get to quit.

And I think the mercenary comment was way below the belt.  

I also think he seems to think that the American people get the right to say whatever the heck they want, but the troops don&#039;t get to say how they feel about it.

Free speech goes both ways-you can say whatever the heck you want, but your right to say it doesn&#039;t mean you have the right to not be verbally smacked for saying it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yes, remember that the military “work for the United States of America and only the United States of America”. But also remember they can stop working anytime.<br />
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<p>Huh?  You must not know much about the military.</p>
<p>#1 the military as a whole can't stop working, they go and do and keep doing until the CiC says stop.  The generals don't get to tell the civilians in charge to jump in a lake, and if they don't, nobody else below them does.</p>
<p>#2 Individuals don't get the option of quitting anytime they want.  Everyone who signs up signs up for an 8 year hitch in some fashion of active, reserve, inactive reserve duty.  They don't get to quit anytime they want.  After the 8 year hitch, officers can generally resign their commissions whenever they want, but enlistees sign up for specified amounts of time, and they don't get to quit.</p>
<p>And I think the mercenary comment was way below the belt.  </p>
<p>I also think he seems to think that the American people get the right to say whatever the heck they want, but the troops don't get to say how they feel about it.</p>
<p>Free speech goes both ways-you can say whatever the heck you want, but your right to say it doesn't mean you have the right to not be verbally smacked for saying it.</p>
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		<title>By: lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 00:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are not incidents in the plural of soldiers being spat upon.  There is one guy (named something that starts with an &quot;S&quot;) who claimed to have been spat at but his credibility is suspect since the same guy has sought publicity on two other occasions with similar complaints (Digby did the research).

Some people feel a need to be victimized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are not incidents in the plural of soldiers being spat upon.  There is one guy (named something that starts with an "S") who claimed to have been spat at but his credibility is suspect since the same guy has sought publicity on two other occasions with similar complaints (Digby did the research).</p>
<p>Some people feel a need to be victimized.</p>
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		<title>By: mishu</title>
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		<dc:creator>mishu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 00:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, the military cannot &#039;stop working at any time&#039;. They can only stop working when they are ordered to stop working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, the military cannot 'stop working at any time'. They can only stop working when they are ordered to stop working.</p>
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		<title>By: Lugo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 23:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mercenary&quot; is a stupid criticism.  Does Arkin think that a draftee army would not be paid?  So then they would be mercenaries, too, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Mercenary" is a stupid criticism.  Does Arkin think that a draftee army would not be paid?  So then they would be mercenaries, too, right?</p>
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		<title>By: T.W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 23:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think William Arkin has NO IDEA what he is talking about. I am a military spouse, so let me explain. My spouse just made Seargent. We make barely over $2200.00 a month...before bills. That&#039;s not a lot after car insurance and car payments and phone and internet and food and other things we need. You do the math. 
As for the &quot;incentives&quot; that make up for the poor pay that the soldiers get, our hospital bills are covered but not our dental or any other medical needs such as glasses or contacts, and we pay a small fee every month for these &quot;incentives&quot; anyway. I personally do not think that these soldiers get paid enough for what they do, but they do it anyway, because they are brave and they have made the choice to do this job. However, when they get deployed, they DO NOT have a choice. They go because the government tells them that they have to go. They can get kicked out of the military or face severe criticism and loss of rank if they refuse to deploy and even face a military prison sentence. All the stress and angst and other extremes that they go through during their deployments do not excuse the bad things that they may do, but I assure you that those soldiers pay for their actions. However, most of the soldiers do their jobs and come home to families who have lived every single day of an entire year, and sometimes more, without their loved ones. 
I would like to say that I do not support the Iraq war. However, I DO support my husband and the other soldiers that feel they need to carry out their duty to the military and the United States. Supporting the war and the soldiers are two very different things. I would also like to say that I think anyone who does not know what is going on, meaning having no family members or close friends who are soldiers or who have been a soldier themself, should not make comments on things they know nothing about or should keep their comments to themselves. Or at least don&#039;t criticize the soldiers...criticize George W. Bush. This war was his idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think William Arkin has NO IDEA what he is talking about. I am a military spouse, so let me explain. My spouse just made Seargent. We make barely over $2200.00 a month...before bills. That's not a lot after car insurance and car payments and phone and internet and food and other things we need. You do the math.<br />
As for the "incentives" that make up for the poor pay that the soldiers get, our hospital bills are covered but not our dental or any other medical needs such as glasses or contacts, and we pay a small fee every month for these "incentives" anyway. I personally do not think that these soldiers get paid enough for what they do, but they do it anyway, because they are brave and they have made the choice to do this job. However, when they get deployed, they DO NOT have a choice. They go because the government tells them that they have to go. They can get kicked out of the military or face severe criticism and loss of rank if they refuse to deploy and even face a military prison sentence. All the stress and angst and other extremes that they go through during their deployments do not excuse the bad things that they may do, but I assure you that those soldiers pay for their actions. However, most of the soldiers do their jobs and come home to families who have lived every single day of an entire year, and sometimes more, without their loved ones.<br />
I would like to say that I do not support the Iraq war. However, I DO support my husband and the other soldiers that feel they need to carry out their duty to the military and the United States. Supporting the war and the soldiers are two very different things. I would also like to say that I think anyone who does not know what is going on, meaning having no family members or close friends who are soldiers or who have been a soldier themself, should not make comments on things they know nothing about or should keep their comments to themselves. Or at least don't criticize the soldiers...criticize George W. Bush. This war was his idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Don't Click This</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don't Click This</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point. You can&#039;t be a mercenary if you only have one employer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. You can't be a mercenary if you only have one employer</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson, I think his words did fit his deeds.  Col. Jessup red flagged Pvt. Santiago because he thought that was how he was going to help make him a better Marine.  Such rough tactics did usually work with Gitmo Marines, as other Privates testified during the trial.  Of course, had Col. Jessup, or anyone else, known that Pvt. Santiago had a medical condition that was causing his stamina problems the entire situation would have been dealt with differently from the beginning.  Col. Jessup didn&#039;t red flag Pvt. Santiago to kill him.

I also believe that Col. Jessup was delivering a lesson to his subordinate officers not to shirk their duties in leading their men.  You are, of course, free to disagree with any or all of this.  But I think it is a mistake to paint Col. Jessup as an all out monster because of a specific character flaw.  You may very well have to be something of a prick to be selected to the NSC as Col. Jessup was supposed to be, but you&#039;d still have to be a very successful prick whose abilities were valued and respected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson, I think his words did fit his deeds.  Col. Jessup red flagged Pvt. Santiago because he thought that was how he was going to help make him a better Marine.  Such rough tactics did usually work with Gitmo Marines, as other Privates testified during the trial.  Of course, had Col. Jessup, or anyone else, known that Pvt. Santiago had a medical condition that was causing his stamina problems the entire situation would have been dealt with differently from the beginning.  Col. Jessup didn't red flag Pvt. Santiago to kill him.</p>
<p>I also believe that Col. Jessup was delivering a lesson to his subordinate officers not to shirk their duties in leading their men.  You are, of course, free to disagree with any or all of this.  But I think it is a mistake to paint Col. Jessup as an all out monster because of a specific character flaw.  You may very well have to be something of a prick to be selected to the NSC as Col. Jessup was supposed to be, but you'd still have to be a very successful prick whose abilities were valued and respected.</p>
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		<title>By: ProfessorBainbridge.com ®</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProfessorBainbridge.com ®</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Spitting...&lt;/strong&gt;

WaPo National Security reporter William Arkin blogs:... even at anti-war protests, the focus is firmly on the White House and the policy. We don&#039;t see very many baby killer epithets being thrown around these days, no one in uniform is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Spitting...</strong></p>
<p>WaPo National Security reporter William Arkin blogs:... even at anti-war protests, the focus is firmly on the White House and the policy. We don't see very many baby killer epithets being thrown around these days, no one in uniform is...</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,
That&#039;s entirely possible; it&#039;s been a long time since I&#039;ve seen the movie, so I&#039;m not sure. Although yeah - the LT&#039;s attitude &amp; perception were a major character thread. Jessup&#039;s treatment of the private, IMHO, shows a common human failing in that because _Jessup_ saw no other way to deal with Santiago, there _was_ no other way to deal with Santiago, and therefore his treatment was acceptable. That&#039;s why all authority must be open to question...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,<br />
That's entirely possible; it's been a long time since I've seen the movie, so I'm not sure. Although yeah - the LT's attitude &amp; perception were a major character thread. Jessup's treatment of the private, IMHO, shows a common human failing in that because _Jessup_ saw no other way to deal with Santiago, there _was_ no other way to deal with Santiago, and therefore his treatment was acceptable. That's why all authority must be open to question...</p>
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