The Republican members of the House of Representatives may have created their own Waterloo yesterday. Forcing a vote on a Resolution for immediate withdrawal from Iraq, with out any formal committee process, evidenced a political stunt and disappointing display of immaturity for a serious matter facing the United States.

They reacted, in my opinion, like frightened kids on the play ground, and not members of Congress with great powers and responsibilities under the war powers act. It was the old lions (Bill Young, John Murtha Curt Weldon) in the House who showed the way to debate and discuss, and left the little ones who can only fight by inflamed rhetoric and scare tactics looking like fools to the whole world. Read the transcript. (www.cspan.org)

Their shallow and partisan attempt to back down Representative Murtha was a shameful display, and all who devised this outrageous behavior should be held accountable at the polls next year.

The Republicans, may well have done what the Democrats have been unable to do, and nationalize the elections for the House and Senate in 2006. Only time will tell, but their behavior deserves our careful attention and rebuke at the polls next November.

Don't forget, during this same day, they voted major cuts in domestic programs, attempted to embarrass a major war hero/ distinguished member of Congress, and VOTED THEMSELVES A PAY RAISE. Quite a day. As the President told Brownie - - Speaker Hasterett (Denny, you're doing a heck of a job).

President Bush "swatted down calls in Congress for a U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, saying that American military leaders believe that retreat now would be 'a recipe for disaster,'" the AP reports.

Said Bush: "In Washington there are some who say that the sacrifice is too great, and they urged us to set a date for withdrawal before we have completed our mission. Those who are in the fight know better."

However, he must not be talking to his own military leaders: "Pentagon and U.S. military officials tell NBC News the plan calls for the substantial withdrawal of more than 60,000 troops from Iraq. The plan was drafted by Gen. John Abizaid and Gen. George Casey, the two top U.S. commanders of the war."

Tempting though it may be, for us to simply pack up and leave would be akin to a drunk driver walking away from a huge accident of his own making.

We have to consider how to minimize the damage caused to our nation and its geopolitical interests by this insane war, as well as by the inept way it was run once it was undertaken.

Murtha's cut and run resolution goes down 403 - 3, with 6 democrats voting present. The roll call of the vote itself shows some curious information:1) 3 Yes votes, those being Democrats Cynthia A. McKinney of Georgia, Robert Wexler of

I don't know what to say, I am taken back with disbelief, Ken actually made a comment without his "every comment" statement that Bush Lied. Could it be that Ken has decided to cool his rehtoric down a bit now that the Dems have turned on him with their "keep the troops in Iraq: vote last night.

Could it be that Ken "Has seen the light"?

Could it be that Ken is losing the courage of his convictions like the Dems did last night?

Could it be that Ken has been "spinning " out of control and don't know how to recover after the Dems. turned against him?

Jeez, this is one for the books, Even Anjin has changed and now talking about oil. But after all, he has good reason, his Democrat anti war buddies have betreyed him. (403 to 3) Boy, that vote sure took the wind out of a lot of sails. What will they do? What will they do?

Stay tuned for the next onslought of spin and anti war rehtoric when, if ever, they catch their breath.

Iraq however, is vitally important. Now we are faced with a hostile Iran, dominating Iraq and emerging as the middle east superpower. And since they have been hard at work on real, not phantom WMD, it is quite possible they will be in a position to tell us to piss off in a few years.

The region may be important but it is not of ultimate importance to us. Our main interest in that region is oil. The problem for those with the oil is that it is of no value to them if they do not sell it. It doesn't matter to us, really, whether we buy it from a toady Saudi regime or a hostile sunni one.

The worst that can happen is that they shut off the flow of oil for a while but economics being what it is eventually they will have to start selling again. They cannot just drink it.

The disruption caused by a boycott of oil sellers is probably less damaging to our economy in the long run than would be the never ending war on Iraq envisioned by conservatives.

A boycott we could adjust to and our economy would actually benefit from becoming less dependent upon middle eastern oil. The never ending war will just bleed us till we finally give up and the recovery will be much much harder.

You are a master at Hypocracy, Now it seems that you are depending on Bush to protect you from the terrorists. It also seems to me that there must be a lot of "idiots" for supporting the Iraq qar, Ken, in case you haven't noticed, the House voted last night to "Keep the troops in Iraq" including one hell of a lot of Democrats. So, I guess that you are now saying that the Democrats are also "Idiots".

In the event, a Nuke were to be sent off in a US City, yes, I would put the blame where it should be put, but Ken, I would also put the blame on stupid people like you for your left handed support of the terrorists. You espouse every day your Hate for Bush and our country by lending support for terrorists with your hate talk that tears this country apart in order to fullfill your personal self fullfillment without regard for anyone else but yourself. Therefore Ken, you and your kind would be just as much to blame as anyone within our government. But, Ken I guess that is to much over your head for you to understand.

For Clinton, 9/11 would never have happened if Clinton had done his job and taken OBL into custody when OBL was offered by the Sudanese. But I guess Your hero Clinton was to busy having a good time with Monica for him to giva a damn.

No Ken, There may be some "Idiots" around, But fortunately, there aren't as many "Stupid" people like you.

How does if feel Ken when your Democrat buddies sold you down the river. Eat your heart out. (403 to 3)

Iraq however, is vitally important. Now we are faced with a hostile Iran, dominating Iraq and emerging as the middle east superpower. And since they have been hard at work on real, not phantom WMD, it is quite possible they will be in a position to tell us to piss off in a few years.

And guess what, China is now a major market for oil.

So what do we do? I do not pretend to have the answer. Stay in Iraq, our young men dying, bleeding national treasure that is badly needed at home? Split and hope for the best? Well Bush has accomplished one thing, Iraq is definitely a terrorist state NOW.

We are really and truly F_____d. Thanks, GW.

What are you going to say to everyone here if one of our cities is wiped off the map by a terrorist Nuke Bomb? I would bet every dime I have that you will blame it on Bush. That would be truly fitting to your style.

Perhaps you haven't noticed Herb, but Bush is the one responsible for preventing that from happening. Russia has suitcase nukes. Clinton had a program to actually buy them in order for them not to be sold to terrorist. Bush stopped that program. Now we have no idea what actually happened to the rest of these nukes.

Bush did however convince idiots like you to support his War on Iraq, a country that had no capability to threaten our security in any way imaginable.

So yeah, if someone gets his hands on one of the suitcase nukes and uses it to blow up an American city I would blame Bush for this failure. Wouldn't you?

While I have no trouble believing that some sincerely believe that a rapid pullout of US troops from Iraq is the proper policy option, it seems blatantly clear that such a pullout, especially with elections pending, would be disastrous.
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Got to leave and do a little tailgating before the Carolina-Clemson game this evening, but here's a few things that caught my eye this morning. The guys in the GOP House leadership actually put up a few "W's" yesterday...calling the...

403 to 3!!! In the official final vote, it was an overwhelming vote of NO!!!!! This is a major blow to the anti-war fringe lefties! So, no cut and run crap, thank God! God bless the troops! Who were the three?
Cynthia McKinney, (D-GA)
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At least you got ont thing right, you drive an American car. To bad you don't have anything else right. And don't ever forget 403 to 3.

Odo:

You are a hoot, can't you think of anything else to say in answer to my question to you? I wonder what your next "Spin" will be, domestic issues, the economy, welfare,or immigration. You sure got the wind taken out of your sails with the House Vote. (403 to 3)

I propose a contest for everyone, Where will Ken, Odo, and Anjin go now, what will they comment about?, what will they say?, how will they spin their views?, the person getting the correct answer on that will, will win a free lesson on "How to get things Right" (REP. that is) That sort of sounds like a soap opera doesn't it. Of course featuring Ken, Odo and Anjin.

I have to admit, last night was the first time I truly enjoyed watching C-SPAN. As a matter of fact I joined in the Stop the ACLU chat where everyone in the chat room was watching C-SPAN as well. I...