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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It certainly is. However, I&#039;d say that a craftsman also has a fiduciary responsibility to make his or her work up to the standards of the craft.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Agreed Dave. It is a package deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It certainly is. However, I'd say that a craftsman also has a fiduciary responsibility to make his or her work up to the standards of the craft.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed Dave. It is a package deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There&#039;s an old Malcolm Gladwell article that shows how astonishingly superficial student evaluations are. Glimpsing a photo of the instructor for less than a second correlates very well with end-of-semester evaluations. It&#039;s very dismaying.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;Or maybe there is some strange correlation between how a professor looks, and how well they teach.  Or, more likely, a correlation between how a student feels about a professor&#039;s physical appearance and how well they learn from him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There's an old Malcolm Gladwell article that shows how astonishingly superficial student evaluations are. Glimpsing a photo of the instructor for less than a second correlates very well with end-of-semester evaluations. It's very dismaying.
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<p>Or maybe there is some strange correlation between how a professor looks, and how well they teach.  Or, more likely, a correlation between how a student feels about a professor's physical appearance and how well they learn from him.</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall my best professor ever - who put the class(mostly art students)to sleep(actually)with his monotoned voice. To this day, I understand what he taught (the limitations of fields of knowledge/expertese) and can take the brightest liberal arguments down simply because they fail to understand this stuff. He wasn&#039;t cool or popular - but worth every penny I (not my parents) spent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall my best professor ever - who put the class(mostly art students)to sleep(actually)with his monotoned voice. To this day, I understand what he taught (the limitations of fields of knowledge/expertese) and can take the brightest liberal arguments down simply because they fail to understand this stuff. He wasn't cool or popular - but worth every penny I (not my parents) spent.</p>
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		<title>By: steve s</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an old Malcolm Gladwell article that shows how astonishingly superficial student evaluations are. Glimpsing a photo of the instructor for less than a second correlates very well with end-of-semester evaluations. It&#039;s very dismaying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's an old Malcolm Gladwell article that shows how astonishingly superficial student evaluations are. Glimpsing a photo of the instructor for less than a second correlates very well with end-of-semester evaluations. It's very dismaying.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Is that not a fiduciary responsibility? 
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It certainly is.  However, I&#039;d say that a craftsman also has a fiduciary responsibility to make his or her work up to the standards of the craft.</description>
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Is that not a fiduciary responsibility?
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<p>It certainly is.  However, I'd say that a craftsman also has a fiduciary responsibility to make his or her work up to the standards of the craft.</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I apologize, I truly was not trying to put you on the spot, just saying that the lines blur.

Always, what I do is a craft, sometimes it is an art (and yes, a time or 2 I have built things which could only be imagined on paper), but most times:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think that a “professional attitude”, by which is generally meant a systematic and conscientious attention to one&#039;s work, is desireable but that doesn&#039;t make what you&#039;re doing a profession, it just makes you good at whatever you do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and yet as you say,

&lt;blockquote&gt;A key difference among these various different forms of work is the sort of fiduciary responsibility involved.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And as I have explained to innumerable cubs, we have one job and one job only.... to make the guy who signs our check money. Is that not a fiduciary responsibility? 

Again, the lines blur, and I have had to argue it more than once...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I apologize, I truly was not trying to put you on the spot, just saying that the lines blur.</p>
<p>Always, what I do is a craft, sometimes it is an art (and yes, a time or 2 I have built things which could only be imagined on paper), but most times:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think that a “professional attitude”, by which is generally meant a systematic and conscientious attention to one's work, is desireable but that doesn't make what you're doing a profession, it just makes you good at whatever you do.</p></blockquote>
<p>and yet as you say,</p>
<blockquote><p>A key difference among these various different forms of work is the sort of fiduciary responsibility involved.</p></blockquote>
<p>And as I have explained to innumerable cubs, we have one job and one job only.... to make the guy who signs our check money. Is that not a fiduciary responsibility? </p>
<p>Again, the lines blur, and I have had to argue it more than once...</p>
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		<title>By: The strange things that &#8220;Educrats&#8221; propose. &#171; More or Less Bunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The strange things that &#8220;Educrats&#8221; propose. &#171; More or Less Bunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the blogs I read regularly today. I first saw it here, but the discussion seems to have originated with James Joyner. The many obvious reasons that this is a stupid idea are there for all to see, but I was more taken [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the blogs I read regularly today. I first saw it here, but the discussion seems to have originated with James Joyner. The many obvious reasons that this is a stupid idea are there for all to see, but I was more taken [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of trade or, depending on how good she turns out to be, &quot;art,&quot; if our Sweet Natalie goes on to become a professor, and is desirous of good reviews...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of trade or, depending on how good she turns out to be, "art," if our Sweet Natalie goes on to become a professor, and is desirous of good reviews...........</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey W. Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey W. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The presidents of A&amp;M haven&#039;t ever been educators.  They have always been military men or politicians or both.  I did my undergraduate sentence there and I would love to have had the chance to deny a bonus to my useless non-English-speaking professors of engineering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The presidents of A&amp;M haven't ever been educators.  They have always been military men or politicians or both.  I did my undergraduate sentence there and I would love to have had the chance to deny a bonus to my useless non-English-speaking professors of engineering.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only kind of teaching I&#039;m personally familiar with is the teaching of philosophy. And I didn&#039;t ever teach the subject as the history of philosophy, although, perforce, there was a lot of that. But my goal was to expose students to philosophical problems and philosophical thinking. I never gave a test--all the work I required consisted of papers on various philosophical issues. I&#039;m not sure you could measure success or failure here in terms of any knowledge acquired. I tried to challenge the students in class to examine their preconceptions, and I could be pretty hard on them. In fact, one my students came up to me after class one day and told me that I taught by the method of intimidation. I was a little taken aback by that (though on reflection, he was right), and he must have seen it, because he said, &quot;Hey, but I like it--it&#039;s human.&quot; (This was at an institution whose primary goal was the teaching of science and technology. Evidently, his classes in those disciplines were pretty dry....) We didn&#039;t have student evaluations in those days; it would&#039;ve been interesting to see what some of my other students thought of my methods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only kind of teaching I'm personally familiar with is the teaching of philosophy. And I didn't ever teach the subject as the history of philosophy, although, perforce, there was a lot of that. But my goal was to expose students to philosophical problems and philosophical thinking. I never gave a test--all the work I required consisted of papers on various philosophical issues. I'm not sure you could measure success or failure here in terms of any knowledge acquired. I tried to challenge the students in class to examine their preconceptions, and I could be pretty hard on them. In fact, one my students came up to me after class one day and told me that I taught by the method of intimidation. I was a little taken aback by that (though on reflection, he was right), and he must have seen it, because he said, "Hey, but I like it--it's human." (This was at an institution whose primary goal was the teaching of science and technology. Evidently, his classes in those disciplines were pretty dry....) We didn't have student evaluations in those days; it would've been interesting to see what some of my other students thought of my methods.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a carpenter is a craft.  

Note that I don&#039;t mean to denigrate any particular form of employment by classifying it.

A profession is a calling requiring specialized knowledge and often long and intensive academic preparation.  There is also the implication of serving the public good in pursuing a profession.  Traditionally, the professions are teaching, the law, medicine, the military, and the clergy and generally speaking they all derive from clerical functions.  It used to be required that all members of most professions perform &lt;i&gt;pro bono&lt;/i&gt; work. I think that requirement should be re-instated.

When you&#039;re involved in buying and selling things you&#039;re in trade.

Making things is a craft.  The ancient crafts are carpentry, masonry, etc.  The modern crafts include being an electrician, a computer programmer, or even a newspaper reporter.

Performing or making things that are primarily decorative is following the arts.

Unskilled work, e.g. shovelling gravel, carrying burdens, etc., is labor.

I think that a &#147;professional attitude&#148;, by which is generally meant a systematic and conscientious attention to one&#039;s work, is desireable but that doesn&#039;t make what you&#039;re doing a profession, it just makes you good at whatever you do.

A key difference among these various different forms of work is the sort of fiduciary responsibility involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a carpenter is a craft.  </p>
<p>Note that I don't mean to denigrate any particular form of employment by classifying it.</p>
<p>A profession is a calling requiring specialized knowledge and often long and intensive academic preparation.  There is also the implication of serving the public good in pursuing a profession.  Traditionally, the professions are teaching, the law, medicine, the military, and the clergy and generally speaking they all derive from clerical functions.  It used to be required that all members of most professions perform <i>pro bono</i> work. I think that requirement should be re-instated.</p>
<p>When you're involved in buying and selling things you're in trade.</p>
<p>Making things is a craft.  The ancient crafts are carpentry, masonry, etc.  The modern crafts include being an electrician, a computer programmer, or even a newspaper reporter.</p>
<p>Performing or making things that are primarily decorative is following the arts.</p>
<p>Unskilled work, e.g. shovelling gravel, carrying burdens, etc., is labor.</p>
<p>I think that a &#8220;professional attitude&#8221;, by which is generally meant a systematic and conscientious attention to one's work, is desireable but that doesn't make what you're doing a profession, it just makes you good at whatever you do.</p>
<p>A key difference among these various different forms of work is the sort of fiduciary responsibility involved.</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on the larger question of professors being beholden to those to whom they are resposible for educating... What do they consider more important: their grades or their actual knowledge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on the larger question of professors being beholden to those to whom they are resposible for educating... What do they consider more important: their grades or their actual knowledge?</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No, it isn&#039;t. Sales is a trade. It is not a profession. That&#039;s a misuse of the term.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Ok Dave, I have to ask, how do you define the 2? I am a carpenter, and I have yet to meet a carpenter who thinks carpentry is anything other than a trade, but we all consider ourselves professionals...

Do you see the blurring of the lines?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No, it isn't. Sales is a trade. It is not a profession. That's a misuse of the term.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ok Dave, I have to ask, how do you define the 2? I am a carpenter, and I have yet to meet a carpenter who thinks carpentry is anything other than a trade, but we all consider ourselves professionals...</p>
<p>Do you see the blurring of the lines?</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I understand your point, if you are referring to the formal definition of professional rather than a more colloquial meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I understand your point, if you are referring to the formal definition of professional rather than a more colloquial meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
sales is a profession in and of itself
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, it isn&#039;t.  Sales is a trade. It is not a profession.  That&#039;s a misuse of the term.</description>
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sales is a profession in and of itself
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<p>No, it isn't.  Sales is a trade. It is not a profession.  That's a misuse of the term.</p>
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