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		<title>By: Bob Sile</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/petraeus_war_/comment-page-1/#comment-155005</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Sile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Andy does the fact nothing of value came from this lie at the feet of one who was called to testify or the ones who required the testimony?  It was Congress&#039; &quot;dime&quot; and they displayed no substance.  There was no penetrating questions either.  The photo op worked both ways as those in opposition to war can provide sound-bites on the negatives and photo stills where they &quot;lectured&quot; the General and Ambassador.  Those in favor got to fluff about positives.  The surprise is where?

Did Petreaus have any other choice but to appear before Congress in Class A&#039;s (with shiny medals)?  Did you really think he could just stride in wearing ACUs?  If it had been me I would have because I&#039;d make the point we&#039;re actually at war and maybe &quot;business as usual&quot; wasn&#039;t acceptable.  This sadly was American politic theater and both sides played their parts.  The only difference is the General and Ambassador go back to spend months on ground while Washington continues to live in its own fantasy world.  

Neither the opposition nor the administration seem to have any grown-ups.  That doesn&#039;t bode well for country, especially as the election cycle has started.  Both sides have now soldified and barring something truly significant (Iran is the wildcard) this will now be driven by the General until January 2009.  He&#039;ll set troop levels, tactics, etc.  The civilian leadership has surrendered...  Its his to win or lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Andy does the fact nothing of value came from this lie at the feet of one who was called to testify or the ones who required the testimony?  It was Congress' "dime" and they displayed no substance.  There was no penetrating questions either.  The photo op worked both ways as those in opposition to war can provide sound-bites on the negatives and photo stills where they "lectured" the General and Ambassador.  Those in favor got to fluff about positives.  The surprise is where?</p>
<p>Did Petreaus have any other choice but to appear before Congress in Class A's (with shiny medals)?  Did you really think he could just stride in wearing ACUs?  If it had been me I would have because I'd make the point we're actually at war and maybe "business as usual" wasn't acceptable.  This sadly was American politic theater and both sides played their parts.  The only difference is the General and Ambassador go back to spend months on ground while Washington continues to live in its own fantasy world.  </p>
<p>Neither the opposition nor the administration seem to have any grown-ups.  That doesn't bode well for country, especially as the election cycle has started.  Both sides have now soldified and barring something truly significant (Iran is the wildcard) this will now be driven by the General until January 2009.  He'll set troop levels, tactics, etc.  The civilian leadership has surrendered...  Its his to win or lose.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/petraeus_war_/comment-page-1/#comment-154911</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What exactly did the witnesses say that was new?  Everyone knew exactly what was going to be said before anyone said it.  It was a photo op for the shiny medals on Petraeus&#039; chest.

Yes, the Senators bloviated (shocking!).  But there was little or no value to the testimony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What exactly did the witnesses say that was new?  Everyone knew exactly what was going to be said before anyone said it.  It was a photo op for the shiny medals on Petraeus' chest.</p>
<p>Yes, the Senators bloviated (shocking!).  But there was little or no value to the testimony.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Sile</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/petraeus_war_/comment-page-1/#comment-154729</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Sile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Andy, since I worked on advising and equiping those Iraqi security forces I understand what the ground truth was back in 2004-2005.  Quite a number of those lost weapons got lost in combat, some got sold, and some got stolen.  Sorry we didn&#039;t focus so much on accounting for the widgets but at the time we did have to dodge that incoming.  All the reports I saw that he signed back then listed the good and the bad and the trends.  

Now compared to the bloviating by both House and Senate he came away looking good.  But as that one Republican Senator did note right after Obama finally stopped his sermon, &quot;this is really about hearing ourselves talk and not hearing what the witnesses say.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Andy, since I worked on advising and equiping those Iraqi security forces I understand what the ground truth was back in 2004-2005.  Quite a number of those lost weapons got lost in combat, some got sold, and some got stolen.  Sorry we didn't focus so much on accounting for the widgets but at the time we did have to dodge that incoming.  All the reports I saw that he signed back then listed the good and the bad and the trends.  </p>
<p>Now compared to the bloviating by both House and Senate he came away looking good.  But as that one Republican Senator did note right after Obama finally stopped his sermon, "this is really about hearing ourselves talk and not hearing what the witnesses say."</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bob, how classy was it for Petraeus to continually exaggerate the progress of the Iraqi security forces?  How classy was it when he lost track of 190,000 small arms that are now likely being used against Americans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bob, how classy was it for Petraeus to continually exaggerate the progress of the Iraqi security forces?  How classy was it when he lost track of 190,000 small arms that are now likely being used against Americans?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Sile</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/petraeus_war_/comment-page-1/#comment-154610</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Sile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not surprised by amount of effort left has gone to in dragging Petraeus&#039;s name thru gutter. 

Nothing in the report surprised me.  I worked with Petraeus so I knew he was a class act.  I look at the March report as the one which will say whether we stay in or fold the cards.  Frankly by then we will know if trends are positive, negative, or just going sideways.  If he reports that one straight then we&#039;ll have answer to whether he&#039;s another Westy or Marshall.

I thought till this past week it was only a loony few amongst the anti-war movement who hated us.  But after the MoveOn.org ads and the defacing of the Viet Name memorial I am left wondering when I or others now serving will be called a baby killer or spit on.  I used to be amazed at the Viet Nam vets I served with and their venom towards some in that anti-war movement.  Only now have I begun to understand.  Sad because I thought we would have learned but I guess it takes only 5 years to hate the officer corps.  means the troops can&#039;t be far behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not surprised by amount of effort left has gone to in dragging Petraeus's name thru gutter. </p>
<p>Nothing in the report surprised me.  I worked with Petraeus so I knew he was a class act.  I look at the March report as the one which will say whether we stay in or fold the cards.  Frankly by then we will know if trends are positive, negative, or just going sideways.  If he reports that one straight then we'll have answer to whether he's another Westy or Marshall.</p>
<p>I thought till this past week it was only a loony few amongst the anti-war movement who hated us.  But after the MoveOn.org ads and the defacing of the Viet Name memorial I am left wondering when I or others now serving will be called a baby killer or spit on.  I used to be amazed at the Viet Nam vets I served with and their venom towards some in that anti-war movement.  Only now have I begun to understand.  Sad because I thought we would have learned but I guess it takes only 5 years to hate the officer corps.  means the troops can't be far behind.</p>
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		<title>By: cian</title>
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		<dc:creator>cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Petraeus has welcomed the opportunity, however. If he can somehow pull it off, the rewards are high.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

....the deaths will be too, and the numbers wounded, and the families displaced, and for what? We already know troop numbers must be reduced in July, and if 160,000 troops can&#039;t create the magical &#039;breathing space&#039; war supporters are so found of mentioning as the ultimate mission, how can 130,000?

It seems to me his job now is to keep the surge going until Bush is gone. That&#039;s not an opportunity, its a disgrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Petraeus has welcomed the opportunity, however. If he can somehow pull it off, the rewards are high.</p></blockquote>
<p>....the deaths will be too, and the numbers wounded, and the families displaced, and for what? We already know troop numbers must be reduced in July, and if 160,000 troops can't create the magical 'breathing space' war supporters are so found of mentioning as the ultimate mission, how can 130,000?</p>
<p>It seems to me his job now is to keep the surge going until Bush is gone. That's not an opportunity, its a disgrace.</p>
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