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		<title>By: Alan Kellogg</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/police_above_the_law/comment-page-1/#comment-127375</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Kellogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 11:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current situation vis a vis cops in this country is the product of two trends. That we refuse to hold misbehaving police officers accountable for one. The fact our educational establishment refuses to teach self responsibility for another.

Once we taught our kids they were responsible for their actions. Now we teach them to rationalize what they do. Once our police academies taught cadets that they had an image to uphold and that how they behaved reflected on them and their fellow officers. Now they teach their students that they are the sole line against barbarism and old night, and that civilians are either sheep to be controlled, or wolves to be destroyed.

The situation is not going to change until we take a stand and show our protectors that we are capable of protecting ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current situation vis a vis cops in this country is the product of two trends. That we refuse to hold misbehaving police officers accountable for one. The fact our educational establishment refuses to teach self responsibility for another.</p>
<p>Once we taught our kids they were responsible for their actions. Now we teach them to rationalize what they do. Once our police academies taught cadets that they had an image to uphold and that how they behaved reflected on them and their fellow officers. Now they teach their students that they are the sole line against barbarism and old night, and that civilians are either sheep to be controlled, or wolves to be destroyed.</p>
<p>The situation is not going to change until we take a stand and show our protectors that we are capable of protecting ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 10:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/03/unnecessary_scandal/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was <a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/03/unnecessary_scandal/" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Anjin-San</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anjin-San</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 03:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

If it has, I missed it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>If it has, I missed it...</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 01:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am curious. If OTB is dedicated to the rule of law, when will we hear a call for Gonzales to resign/be fired?&lt;/blockquote&gt;I think it&#039;s already been done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am curious. If OTB is dedicated to the rule of law, when will we hear a call for Gonzales to resign/be fired?</p></blockquote>
<p>I think it's already been done.</p>
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		<title>By: spacemonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>spacemonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 01:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When cops are outlaws, only outlaws will be cops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When cops are outlaws, only outlaws will be cops.</p>
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		<title>By: Anjin-San</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anjin-San</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 23:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious. If OTB is dedicated to the rule of law, when will we hear a call for Gonzales to resign/be fired?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious. If OTB is dedicated to the rule of law, when will we hear a call for Gonzales to resign/be fired?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 22:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;More of Scalia&#039;s &quot;new professionalism&quot; at work!&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Yep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>More of Scalia's "new professionalism" at work!</p></blockquote>
<p>Yep.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 22:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure what is happening around my part of the south but every officer now thinks he/she is some kind of big city SWAT. Lots of hardware, buzz cuts, boots and a pseudo military attitude/swagger. Also there are increasing run-ins with regular people—traffic accidents while speeding and no lights or sirens—that sort of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure what is happening around my part of the south but every officer now thinks he/she is some kind of big city SWAT. Lots of hardware, buzz cuts, boots and a pseudo military attitude/swagger. Also there are increasing run-ins with regular people—traffic accidents while speeding and no lights or sirens—that sort of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Stormy Dragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stormy Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 22:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More of Scalia&#039;s &quot;new professionalism&quot; at work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More of Scalia's "new professionalism" at work!</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 21:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to watch with a bit more critical eye next time I watch it, then. I don&#039;t get that impression from the episodes I&#039;ve seen, but I haven&#039;t watched it with that idea in mind.

I guess watching &quot;Cops&quot; is my guilty pleasure, supplanting The Jerry Springer Show or maybe Geraldo&#039;s old talk show. Gak!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll have to watch with a bit more critical eye next time I watch it, then. I don't get that impression from the episodes I've seen, but I haven't watched it with that idea in mind.</p>
<p>I guess watching "Cops" is my guilty pleasure, supplanting The Jerry Springer Show or maybe Geraldo's old talk show. Gak!</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 21:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boyd,

I must confess not to watch &quot;Cops&quot; on a regular basis and that most of the episodes I&#039;ve seen have been snippets that I&#039;ve caught for one reason or another. Still, most of the officers I&#039;ve seen on there are belligerent, unprofessional, bullies who seem to be escalating the stress of the situation.  

Mostly, the perps are not hardened criminals drunken yahoos with sub-room-temperature IQs. But rather than trying to cool down the situation, they go into Respect My Authoritay mode and back people into a corner, inciting stress reactions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boyd,</p>
<p>I must confess not to watch "Cops" on a regular basis and that most of the episodes I've seen have been snippets that I've caught for one reason or another. Still, most of the officers I've seen on there are belligerent, unprofessional, bullies who seem to be escalating the stress of the situation.  </p>
<p>Mostly, the perps are not hardened criminals drunken yahoos with sub-room-temperature IQs. But rather than trying to cool down the situation, they go into Respect My Authoritay mode and back people into a corner, inciting stress reactions.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 21:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Steve, I guess I wasn&#039;t clear enough in saying I was talking about James&#039;s accusation of thuggish behavior on &quot;Cops,&quot; not in general. &quot;Cops&quot; was my &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Steve, I guess I wasn't clear enough in saying I was talking about James's accusation of thuggish behavior on "Cops," not in general. "Cops" was my <i>only</i> point.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 21:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yeah, they can get pretty rough with folks, but as best I can recall, it&#039;s only after the &quot;suspect&quot; has given them good cause.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right, like Kathryn Johntson who was murdered by the police?  Or the air force MP who was shot by a San Bernardino sheriff&#039;s deputy while doing precisely what that deputy was ordering him to do?  We&#039;ll skip any of the hundreds wrong door raids that Balko has dug up?  

When the populace start seeing the police as something to be distrusted, that is a bad thing for society.  When the cops start to see themselves as seperate from the society they are protecting, that is a bad thing.  When cops start to look like a paramilitary force, that is a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yeah, they can get pretty rough with folks, but as best I can recall, it's only after the "suspect" has given them good cause.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right, like Kathryn Johntson who was murdered by the police?  Or the air force MP who was shot by a San Bernardino sheriff's deputy while doing precisely what that deputy was ordering him to do?  We'll skip any of the hundreds wrong door raids that Balko has dug up?  </p>
<p>When the populace start seeing the police as something to be distrusted, that is a bad thing for society.  When the cops start to see themselves as seperate from the society they are protecting, that is a bad thing.  When cops start to look like a paramilitary force, that is a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 21:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Steve Verdon&#039;s had a few comment threads that we could just cut &amp; paste here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Steve Verdon's had a few comment threads that we could just cut &amp; paste here.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 21:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watch &quot;Cops&quot; much, Doc? I&#039;m combing through my (admittedly lousy) memory for an episode that displayed thuggish police behavior, and can&#039;t come up with one.

Yeah, they can get pretty rough with folks, but as best I can recall, it&#039;s only after the &quot;suspect&quot; has given them good cause. Well, they can shout a lot when they&#039;re telling someone to get on the ground and such, and sometimes in the heat of the moment they give confusing or contradictory direction, but I wouldn&#039;t describe their behavior as &quot;thuggish.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch "Cops" much, Doc? I'm combing through my (admittedly lousy) memory for an episode that displayed thuggish police behavior, and can't come up with one.</p>
<p>Yeah, they can get pretty rough with folks, but as best I can recall, it's only after the "suspect" has given them good cause. Well, they can shout a lot when they're telling someone to get on the ground and such, and sometimes in the heat of the moment they give confusing or contradictory direction, but I wouldn't describe their behavior as "thuggish."</p>
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