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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/police_officers_or_thugs/comment-page-1/#comment-938536</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This thread is about police seizing (read: stealing) private property under the guise of law enforcement.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Read the whole thread. Another poster went off topic and I responded. What a good little bushie you are. People should only discuss what they are told to discuss... 

&lt;blockquote&gt;I can only assume you approve of official theft&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, with the brainpower you have showed us so far, its hardly a surprise that your assumptions are utter nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This thread is about police seizing (read: stealing) private property under the guise of law enforcement.</p></blockquote>
<p>Read the whole thread. Another poster went off topic and I responded. What a good little bushie you are. People should only discuss what they are told to discuss... </p>
<blockquote><p>I can only assume you approve of official theft</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, with the brainpower you have showed us so far, its hardly a surprise that your assumptions are utter nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: William d'Inger</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/police_officers_or_thugs/comment-page-1/#comment-937742</link>
		<dc:creator>William d'Inger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;... unless you just want to stay in your little bushie fantasy world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;This thread is about police seizing (read: stealing) private property under the guise of law enforcement.  I can only assume you approve of official theft since all you had to offer was Democrat, anti-Bush demagoguery on another subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>... unless you just want to stay in your little bushie fantasy world.</p></blockquote>
<p>This thread is about police seizing (read: stealing) private property under the guise of law enforcement.  I can only assume you approve of official theft since all you had to offer was Democrat, anti-Bush demagoguery on another subject.</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/police_officers_or_thugs/comment-page-1/#comment-936165</link>
		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is refreshing to see the mayor not try to paper over these actions.  They are revenue generation and he isn&#039;t going to call it law enforcement.  

Stealing from the outsiders is a time honored tradition in small towns, be it speed traps or the more lucrative seizures.  Seizures are an effective tool in law enforcement but like anything it can be abused especially when the cops, mayor and county legal establishment are onboard with the thefts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is refreshing to see the mayor not try to paper over these actions.  They are revenue generation and he isn't going to call it law enforcement.  </p>
<p>Stealing from the outsiders is a time honored tradition in small towns, be it speed traps or the more lucrative seizures.  Seizures are an effective tool in law enforcement but like anything it can be abused especially when the cops, mayor and county legal establishment are onboard with the thefts.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/police_officers_or_thugs/comment-page-1/#comment-936047</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William - ignorance is not bliss:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120511973377523845.html

This will get you started, unless you just want to stay in your little bushie fantasy world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William - ignorance is not bliss:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120511973377523845.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120511973377523845.html</a></p>
<p>This will get you started, unless you just want to stay in your little bushie fantasy world.</p>
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		<title>By: William d'Inger</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/police_officers_or_thugs/comment-page-1/#comment-936029</link>
		<dc:creator>William d'Inger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 03:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No one has a problem with wiretapping terrorists.

Bush having the NSA spy on everyone in the country is another matter entirely.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Say WHAT???

Anjin, ol&#039; buddy, it&#039;s Tuesday night. You&#039;re supposed to save the premium colitas for  the weekends (unless of course that&#039;s part of Obama&#039;s stimulus plan you&#039;re smoking).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No one has a problem with wiretapping terrorists.</p>
<p>Bush having the NSA spy on everyone in the country is another matter entirely.</p></blockquote>
<p>Say WHAT???</p>
<p>Anjin, ol' buddy, it's Tuesday night. You're supposed to save the premium colitas for  the weekends (unless of course that's part of Obama's stimulus plan you're smoking).</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/police_officers_or_thugs/comment-page-1/#comment-935665</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;At least they didn&#039;t wire tap a terrorist&#039;s phone calls. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Pretty lame, even by your standards.

&lt;em&gt;No one&lt;/em&gt; has a problem with wiretapping terrorists.

Bush having the NSA spy on everyone in the country is another matter entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>At least they didn't wire tap a terrorist's phone calls. </p></blockquote>
<p>Pretty lame, even by your standards.</p>
<p><em>No one</em> has a problem with wiretapping terrorists.</p>
<p>Bush having the NSA spy on everyone in the country is another matter entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: fredw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/police_officers_or_thugs/comment-page-1/#comment-934947</link>
		<dc:creator>fredw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something like 80% of all 100 bills in circulation have traces of cocaine on them.  The statistic is lower for smaller bills but not by much.  All that is required to &quot;arrest&quot; the money with no recourse to the holder of the money is for a dog to indicate the presence of traces of drugs.  Effectively, you can be stopped at any time by law enforcement and have your cash &quot;arrested&quot;. Arrested is the proper term.  The money is arrested so you have no standing to claim it back; it was no seized without due process, it was arrested.

These are laws passed to fight the war on drugs.  The city of Tenha is just protecting us.  Don&#039;t you feel safer?  If you think abuse of drug laws is bad, just wait until the abuses of the patriot act really kick in 5 or 10 years from now.

That Javier Gonzalez got his money back is astonishing.  I have never heard of money being returned in any seizure anywhere ( it happens outside of Texas too).  Maybe these guys skip the drug sniffing dog and go right to seizure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something like 80% of all 100 bills in circulation have traces of cocaine on them.  The statistic is lower for smaller bills but not by much.  All that is required to "arrest" the money with no recourse to the holder of the money is for a dog to indicate the presence of traces of drugs.  Effectively, you can be stopped at any time by law enforcement and have your cash "arrested". Arrested is the proper term.  The money is arrested so you have no standing to claim it back; it was no seized without due process, it was arrested.</p>
<p>These are laws passed to fight the war on drugs.  The city of Tenha is just protecting us.  Don't you feel safer?  If you think abuse of drug laws is bad, just wait until the abuses of the patriot act really kick in 5 or 10 years from now.</p>
<p>That Javier Gonzalez got his money back is astonishing.  I have never heard of money being returned in any seizure anywhere ( it happens outside of Texas too).  Maybe these guys skip the drug sniffing dog and go right to seizure.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/police_officers_or_thugs/comment-page-1/#comment-934705</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Generally I a big law enforcement supporter but there are times when I’m not, this case being one of them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; I.  Then I started reading Radley Balko&#039;s blog and that changed...surprisingly quickly.  Of course, I love dogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Generally I a big law enforcement supporter but there are times when I&rsquo;m not, this case being one of them.</p></blockquote>
<p>So <em>was</em> I.  Then I started reading Radley Balko's blog and that changed...surprisingly quickly.  Of course, I love dogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generally I a big law enforcement supporter but there are times when I’m not, this case being one of them. Also I’m very against quotas. Speed, DUI traps or nitpicking situations so they can write tickets to fill quotas in order to raise money is wrong. There is a difference between enforcing laws for public safety and for raising money. One solution would be for all local fines to be pool in a state fund then distributed evenly throughout the state per population to county and city governments. State and Highway patrol’s fines can be sent to this fund as well. 

The big difference between the above stories and (quotas or stoplight cameras) is the above story doesn’t leave you with a criminal record or go against your insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally I a big law enforcement supporter but there are times when I&rsquo;m not, this case being one of them. Also I&rsquo;m very against quotas. Speed, DUI traps or nitpicking situations so they can write tickets to fill quotas in order to raise money is wrong. There is a difference between enforcing laws for public safety and for raising money. One solution would be for all local fines to be pool in a state fund then distributed evenly throughout the state per population to county and city governments. State and Highway patrol&rsquo;s fines can be sent to this fund as well. </p>
<p>The big difference between the above stories and (quotas or stoplight cameras) is the above story doesn&rsquo;t leave you with a criminal record or go against your insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: William d'Inger</title>
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		<dc:creator>William d'Inger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was originally an anti-drug measure.  Since budgets are forever tight, someone dreamed up the idea of letting police departments keep the property seized during drug raids, etc.  It helped relieve politicians the burden of funding law enforcement, and it gave the police incentive to step up the war on drugs.

I knew it was a bad idea the very first time I heard of it.  Free money is &lt;strong&gt;always&lt;/strong&gt; a source of corruption.  Nobody should be surprised.

It is my opinion that only the courts should be allowed to determine if seized property should be forfeit, and the courts should not themselves get any of that money directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was originally an anti-drug measure.  Since budgets are forever tight, someone dreamed up the idea of letting police departments keep the property seized during drug raids, etc.  It helped relieve politicians the burden of funding law enforcement, and it gave the police incentive to step up the war on drugs.</p>
<p>I knew it was a bad idea the very first time I heard of it.  Free money is <strong>always</strong> a source of corruption.  Nobody should be surprised.</p>
<p>It is my opinion that only the courts should be allowed to determine if seized property should be forfeit, and the courts should not themselves get any of that money directly.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/police_officers_or_thugs/comment-page-1/#comment-933823</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least they didn&#039;t wire tap a terrorist&#039;s phone calls.  That would have the entire body of the press howling...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least they didn't wire tap a terrorist's phone calls.  That would have the entire body of the press howling...........</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Move along, move along... nothing happening here...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Move along, move along... nothing happening here..."</p>
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