Comments on: Poll: 2004 Election Was Stolen http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/poll_2004_election_was_stolen/ Online Journal of Politics and Foreign Affairs Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:42:30 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Roger http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/poll_2004_election_was_stolen/comment-page-1/#comment-82448 Roger Sat, 13 May 2006 19:19:48 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/05/poll_2004_election_was_stolen/#comment-82448 The disparity between exit poll results and actual results in Dem districts in Ohio while the exit polls and results in Repub Ohio districts matched must give one pause. Throw in no-paper-trail Diebold machines insisted upon and controlled by Repubsand and the lawsuits that revealed how easily manipulable they are, and it is not too surprising people might have their doubts. That's not even to mention 2000. Basically, this is another instance where we're asked by Repubs, "just trust us." Not surprisingly, many do not find this too reassuring. The disparity between exit poll results and actual results in Dem districts in Ohio while the exit polls and results in Repub Ohio districts matched must give one pause. Throw in no-paper-trail Diebold machines insisted upon and controlled by Repubsand and the lawsuits that revealed how easily manipulable they are, and it is not too surprising people might have their doubts. That's not even to mention 2000.

Basically, this is another instance where we're asked by Repubs, "just trust us." Not surprisingly, many do not find this too reassuring.

]]> By: yetanotherjohn http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/poll_2004_election_was_stolen/comment-page-1/#comment-82376 yetanotherjohn Fri, 12 May 2006 21:31:11 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/05/poll_2004_election_was_stolen/#comment-82376 The thinking that 2004 was stolen is not unknown on the left. Part of this is Zogby's prediction. As far as Zogby's online polls, I have participated in a couple. He invites anyone to join his pool online. He then invites a subset of those to take a poll. He is selecting them (based on their demographics, answers to previous polls, randomly, I don't know how he does it) to take which poll. S it is not the respondent who picks the poll. Zogby certainly hit one poll in 1996, but I haven't been much impresses with him since. He seems to have a bias towards the democrats and that shows up in his predictions. A good example is his call for Kerry right before the election. So it may well be that people who respond to his offer to be in his online poll pool are more likely to be from the left than the right. But even so, these numbers should be an embarrassment to the MSM (except Fox). See also http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/jaffor/early_poll.htm http://slapnose.com/archives/2004/11/02/zogby_calls_kerry/ And finally, here is an article that explains the reasoning behind the 2004 was stolen theory. Note Zogby's prediction as part of the 'proof'. http://www.hartfordadvocate.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:91472 The thinking that 2004 was stolen is not unknown on the left. Part of this is Zogby's prediction.

As far as Zogby's online polls, I have participated in a couple. He invites anyone to join his pool online. He then invites a subset of those to take a poll. He is selecting them (based on their demographics, answers to previous polls, randomly, I don't know how he does it) to take which poll. S it is not the respondent who picks the poll.

Zogby certainly hit one poll in 1996, but I haven't been much impresses with him since. He seems to have a bias towards the democrats and that shows up in his predictions. A good example is his call for Kerry right before the election. So it may well be that people who respond to his offer to be in his online poll pool are more likely to be from the left than the right. But even so, these numbers should be an embarrassment to the MSM (except Fox).

See also
http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/jaffor/early_poll.htm

http://slapnose.com/archives/2004/11/02/zogby_calls_kerry/

And finally, here is an article that explains the reasoning behind the 2004 was stolen theory. Note Zogby's prediction as part of the 'proof'.

http://www.hartfordadvocate.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:91472

]]> By: legion http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/poll_2004_election_was_stolen/comment-page-1/#comment-82359 legion Fri, 12 May 2006 20:13:22 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/05/poll_2004_election_was_stolen/#comment-82359 Wow. The security issues with Diebold and general sleaziness in Ohio politics always made me think it a possibility, but I don't think I've even heard my most granola-crunching friends say flat-out that 2004 was ripped. Wow. The security issues with Diebold and general sleaziness in Ohio politics always made me think it a possibility, but I don't think I've even heard my most granola-crunching friends say flat-out that 2004 was ripped.

]]> By: Christopher http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/poll_2004_election_was_stolen/comment-page-1/#comment-82350 Christopher Fri, 12 May 2006 19:30:03 +0000 http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/05/poll_2004_election_was_stolen/#comment-82350 Looks like only smart, reasonable people watch FOX. Looks like only smart, reasonable people watch FOX.

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