Comments on: President Bush Demotes Abu Ghraib’s Karpinski

By: aTypical Joe: A gay New Yorker living in the rural south.

aTypical Joe: A gay New Yorker living in the rural south. — Sat, 14 May 2005 22:56:19 +0000

Why "They" Hate "Us"... Guest post by Jen. People like Pastor Ted Haggard, founder of New Life (megachurch in Colorado Springs, near Focus on the Family's headquarters) make me hesitant to identify as part of the Judeo-Christian tradition. In a Harper's article this month...

By: aTypical Joe: A gay New Yorker living in the rural south.

aTypical Joe: A gay New Yorker living in the rural south. — Sat, 14 May 2005 22:54:21 +0000

By: MonkeyMigraine

MonkeyMigraine — Sat, 07 May 2005 05:13:57 +0000

That's great. Demoting a general who by everyone's admission was only guilty of not noticing the abuse at Abu Ghraib is a good step. Of course, we'll next be going after the people who actually authorized the abuse, right?

Like General Ricardo Sanchez who authorized the illegal use of dogs on prisoners...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1448282,00.html

Or General Geoffrey Miller who illegally suggested using MPs to "soften up" prisoners...
http://www.sundayherald.com/42067

Or maybe even Donald Rumsfeld, since he took responsibility for the whole thing...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/7/121822.shtml

By: David Eccles

David Eccles — Fri, 06 May 2005 16:46:21 +0000

Nice diversion. Here's what every media outlet should be talking about. Read this and you'll realize the truth of the entire debacle called Iraqi Freedom. Bush belongs in prison, not the White House.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html

By: bithead

bithead — Fri, 06 May 2005 15:42:06 +0000

Sounds like it was too much caffeine for Mr. Henley this morningâ¦

No....

Just desperation to hang something/anything on someone/anyone to justify what cannot thusfar ben justified... Henley's insane position against our actions in Iraq.

By: bithead

bithead — Fri, 06 May 2005 15:40:03 +0000

Michael: Fersboo is right. There is such a thing as span of control. Nobody expects the Commander in Chief or SECDEF or even combatant commander to supervise the activities of prison guards. On the other hand, one does expect that of the commander of the prison.

Aw, James... you went and spoiled an anti-Bush attack, with FACT. You Killjoy, you.

By: Jem

Jem — Fri, 06 May 2005 14:26:07 +0000

Sounds like it was too much caffeine for Mr. Henley this morning...

Hang in there, though. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn sometimes.

By: LJD

LJD — Fri, 06 May 2005 13:13:32 +0000

We're so insensitive towards people who are different from us, like those who blow themselves up to kill innocent women and children. Shame on us.

By: Jim Henley

Jim Henley — Fri, 06 May 2005 12:25:19 +0000

When are they going to punish Karpinski for her role in inserting the "seventeen words" into Colin Powell's UN speech? What about when she disbanded the Iraqi Army right after the CPA took over? Also, didn't she threaten to fire a White House budget analyst if he spilled the beans on the likely real costs of the Medicare bill?

Seems to me the woman has barely begun to pay for her crimes.

By: James Joyner

James Joyner — Fri, 06 May 2005 12:18:23 +0000

DCL: I'm not thrilled, either. The problem is that promotion to general officer rank is not permanent whereas promotion to colonel is. To demote her beyond this would require a court martial conviction.

By: Clarence Hunter

Clarence Hunter — Fri, 06 May 2005 12:17:46 +0000

The action of the prison guards is merely a reflection of the insensitivity of Americans towards people who are different than they.

By: James Joyner

James Joyner — Fri, 06 May 2005 12:17:14 +0000

To extend Fersboo's civilian analogy, we would expect the warden to be fired if this was going on at a domestic prison, not the the mayor and governor.

By: Fersboo

Fersboo — Fri, 06 May 2005 12:04:20 +0000

'Does this apply to the Commander in Chief as well?'

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!111 dude, u r sooooo funny !!!!!!!11

I mean, that is like the mayor of NYC being fired because a bunch of meter maids started to write bogus tickets and were extorting citizens. Makes sense right?!? Fire the mayor because he 'fostered' the atmoshphere of corruption.

Come on and get real, Michael.

By: aTypical Joe: A gay New Yorker living in the rural south.

aTypical Joe: A gay New Yorker living in the rural south. — Fri, 06 May 2005 11:57:16 +0000

Karpinski's demotion
James Joyner is amazed that it took so long: Janis Karpinski , the former commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade during the time of the Abu Ghraib abuse scandal, has finally been demoted to colonol from brigadier general...It's amazing...

By: PoliBlog: Politics is the Master Science

PoliBlog: Politics is the Master Science — Fri, 06 May 2005 11:51:26 +0000

Abu Ghraib General Demoted
Via Reuters: Bush demotes Army general in Abu Ghraib scandalA one-star Army Reserve general became the first high-level military officer punished in the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal on Thursday when President Bush demoted her to the rank of colon...