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	<title>Comments on: Prince Harry Not Going Iraq, After All</title>
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		<title>By: fredw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/prince_harry_not_going_iraq_after_all/comment-page-1/#comment-126754</link>
		<dc:creator>fredw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 04:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
Let me stress that you are absolutely correct, and that is the problem.  If we were succeeding, the military reason you state would be moot, and that is the point.

As far as I know,  John McCain was the first American dignitary to be driven from the airport to the green zone.  Why did we let him drive when everyone else had been helicoptered out of the airport?  If he would have been captured or killed it would have been a huge advantage for the enemy.  

I would infer that we let him drive because, as a result of the increased troops in the surge, we finally have some level of control and stability in that area.  The psychological advantage was greater that the risk.  This indicates more progress in Baghdad than the news reports of his trip seemed to indicate.

If the British mission were succeeding, there would not be a question of &quot;introducing anything into the theater that will benefit your enemy more than it will benefit you&quot;.  If the mission was succeeding, the psychological advantage of sending Harry would exceed the risk.  That this risk exceeds the reward is the point.  To me it says that the Shia south is unstable, uncontrolled, and more in conflict than we are generally aware of; a very bad sign for our mission in Iraq.

I will not rebut this point here again, but I would appreciate your responding again if you still think I am off track.

Thanks
FredW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
Let me stress that you are absolutely correct, and that is the problem.  If we were succeeding, the military reason you state would be moot, and that is the point.</p>
<p>As far as I know,  John McCain was the first American dignitary to be driven from the airport to the green zone.  Why did we let him drive when everyone else had been helicoptered out of the airport?  If he would have been captured or killed it would have been a huge advantage for the enemy.  </p>
<p>I would infer that we let him drive because, as a result of the increased troops in the surge, we finally have some level of control and stability in that area.  The psychological advantage was greater that the risk.  This indicates more progress in Baghdad than the news reports of his trip seemed to indicate.</p>
<p>If the British mission were succeeding, there would not be a question of "introducing anything into the theater that will benefit your enemy more than it will benefit you".  If the mission was succeeding, the psychological advantage of sending Harry would exceed the risk.  That this risk exceeds the reward is the point.  To me it says that the Shia south is unstable, uncontrolled, and more in conflict than we are generally aware of; a very bad sign for our mission in Iraq.</p>
<p>I will not rebut this point here again, but I would appreciate your responding again if you still think I am off track.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
FredW</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 17:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fredw,
You don&#039;t get it do you?  They&#039;re not doing this because they&#039;re afraid he&#039;ll be killed.  He joined the military knowing that he might be killed.  They trained him knowing that he might be killed.  He was scheduled to be deployed to Iraw knowing that he might be killed.  There was never any intention of having to &quot;protect&quot; him any more than any other British soldier.

The reason they&#039;re not deploying him is a military one.  He&#039;s more valuable as a propaganda win to the enemy than as a soldier to the British forces.  This isn&#039;t about him, it&#039;s about not introducing anything into the theater that will benefit your enemy more than it will benefit you.  It would be like gold-plating your tanks.

If this were active combat, instead of policing, then sending him would make sense because he wouldn&#039;t be any more of a strategic win for the enemy than any other ranking officer.  But since this conflict is about psychology and not strategy, he&#039;s a liability more than an asset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fredw,<br />
You don't get it do you?  They're not doing this because they're afraid he'll be killed.  He joined the military knowing that he might be killed.  They trained him knowing that he might be killed.  He was scheduled to be deployed to Iraw knowing that he might be killed.  There was never any intention of having to "protect" him any more than any other British soldier.</p>
<p>The reason they're not deploying him is a military one.  He's more valuable as a propaganda win to the enemy than as a soldier to the British forces.  This isn't about him, it's about not introducing anything into the theater that will benefit your enemy more than it will benefit you.  It would be like gold-plating your tanks.</p>
<p>If this were active combat, instead of policing, then sending him would make sense because he wouldn't be any more of a strategic win for the enemy than any other ranking officer.  But since this conflict is about psychology and not strategy, he's a liability more than an asset.</p>
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		<title>By: fredw</title>
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		<dc:creator>fredw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 18:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Granted that Harry&#039;s presence will distract from the mission. The very fact that this is true is a very bad sign.  The terrorists say &quot;send Harry and we will kill him&quot; and the Brits change their minds and  do not send him, what message does that send our enemies?  This does not speak of adding a difficulty to a  successful mission, this speaks of pushing a failing mission over the edge. As I said, I am looking for good news in Iraq. At first I took sending Harry as a sign of confidence, good news. I take the decision to keep him home as very bad news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granted that Harry's presence will distract from the mission. The very fact that this is true is a very bad sign.  The terrorists say "send Harry and we will kill him" and the Brits change their minds and  do not send him, what message does that send our enemies?  This does not speak of adding a difficulty to a  successful mission, this speaks of pushing a failing mission over the edge. As I said, I am looking for good news in Iraq. At first I took sending Harry as a sign of confidence, good news. I take the decision to keep him home as very bad news.</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 11:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But would Harry&#039;s presence really be a help, if the British Army has to protect him rather than concentrating on their mission?

I think about the only way Harry could easily and succesfully serve in Iraq would be for him to go incognito without the security and all that, and use a different name, of course it is kind of hard to avoid people recognizing you, when your picture has been plastered in every magazine, tabloid, and newspaper since the day you were born.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But would Harry's presence really be a help, if the British Army has to protect him rather than concentrating on their mission?</p>
<p>I think about the only way Harry could easily and succesfully serve in Iraq would be for him to go incognito without the security and all that, and use a different name, of course it is kind of hard to avoid people recognizing you, when your picture has been plastered in every magazine, tabloid, and newspaper since the day you were born.</p>
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		<title>By: fredw</title>
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		<dc:creator>fredw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 06:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent:

Thanks for the response, but the point is; if they can&#039;t secure Harry and his unit against terrorist threats, I doubt that they are capable of securing anything else.  Isn&#039;t restoring order and security  the other thing they have to do?  I am looking for good news on Iraq, and this is not it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent:</p>
<p>Thanks for the response, but the point is; if they can't secure Harry and his unit against terrorist threats, I doubt that they are capable of securing anything else.  Isn't restoring order and security  the other thing they have to do?  I am looking for good news on Iraq, and this is not it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anjin-San</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anjin-San</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 05:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Course we could solve the problem by getting the hell out of Iraq and letting the people there figure out their own problems...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Course we could solve the problem by getting the hell out of Iraq and letting the people there figure out their own problems...</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 05:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fredw, graywolf,

The British army isn&#039;t in Iraq to protect one of their own. They have other things to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fredw, graywolf,</p>
<p>The British army isn't in Iraq to protect one of their own. They have other things to do.</p>
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		<title>By: graywolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>graywolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 03:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The British military is a mess. 
First, the thumb-suckers who the Iranians took hostage;obviously the products of minimal training and discipline.
Now, the Chief of Staff (who looks more like a retired bank teller than a soldier) admits that his Army can&#039;t protect one of its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The British military is a mess.<br />
First, the thumb-suckers who the Iranians took hostage;obviously the products of minimal training and discipline.<br />
Now, the Chief of Staff (who looks more like a retired bank teller than a soldier) admits that his Army can't protect one of its own.</p>
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		<title>By: fredw</title>
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		<dc:creator>fredw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 23:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has to make me re-evaluate my opinion of our possibility of success in Iraq; what does it say about our success in Iraq – that the entire British army cannot protect Harry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has to make me re-evaluate my opinion of our possibility of success in Iraq; what does it say about our success in Iraq – that the entire British army cannot protect Harry?</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 22:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possibly he can be of service elsewhere to help out to replace someone who is in Iraq.

In 91 my other brother (not the one mentioned above) was in Germany so someone else could go to Iraq who had more advanced training in a combat zone or something like that but they needed the position filled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly he can be of service elsewhere to help out to replace someone who is in Iraq.</p>
<p>In 91 my other brother (not the one mentioned above) was in Germany so someone else could go to Iraq who had more advanced training in a combat zone or something like that but they needed the position filled.</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 22:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it&#039;s a lie that only the poor serve.  Considering 4 members of my brother&#039;s graduating class from a high school in a town in the top 10 in the nation in wealth are there or have been there including himself.

The prince&#039;s grandmother the current Queen was an ambulance driver in ww2.

Far more fascinating woman than his mother.

Oh and those 4 were of a graduating class of only 64.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it's a lie that only the poor serve.  Considering 4 members of my brother's graduating class from a high school in a town in the top 10 in the nation in wealth are there or have been there including himself.</p>
<p>The prince's grandmother the current Queen was an ambulance driver in ww2.</p>
<p>Far more fascinating woman than his mother.</p>
<p>Oh and those 4 were of a graduating class of only 64.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 22:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Didn&#039;t he say he would resign if he was not deployed to Iraq?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, you are thinking of former Deputy Attorney General Jim Comey who was going to resign after Gonzalez tried to get a near-comatose John Ashcroft to sign off on Bush&#039;s domestic spying program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Didn't he say he would resign if he was not deployed to Iraq?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, you are thinking of former Deputy Attorney General Jim Comey who was going to resign after Gonzalez tried to get a near-comatose John Ashcroft to sign off on Bush's domestic spying program.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 19:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t he say he would resign if he was not deployed to Iraq?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn't he say he would resign if he was not deployed to Iraq?</p>
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