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		<title>By: Marleas Markhorst</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/pro_patria/comment-page-1/#comment-55350</link>
		<dc:creator>Marleas Markhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2005 02:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: the musings of Brandon Jaynes &#187; Canadian Thoughts on Afghanistan</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/pro_patria/comment-page-1/#comment-55226</link>
		<dc:creator>the musings of Brandon Jaynes &#187; Canadian Thoughts on Afghanistan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hat tip: OTB [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/pro_patria/comment-page-1/#comment-55222</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;An entire movement&quot;?  Like I said, it&#039;s a big country.

Both the Afghan and Iraq wars have been mismanaged to some degree, but the former was definitely both justified and necessary.  You&#039;re not going to find more than a fringe in the U.S. to disagree with that, whereas at least half the country seems to think that the Iraq war was a mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"An entire movement"?  Like I said, it's a big country.</p>
<p>Both the Afghan and Iraq wars have been mismanaged to some degree, but the former was definitely both justified and necessary.  You're not going to find more than a fringe in the U.S. to disagree with that, whereas at least half the country seems to think that the Iraq war was a mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/pro_patria/comment-page-1/#comment-55208</link>
		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only 3 ladies from Alabama, but an entire movement.  Hell, you could have recorded those words from a CIndy Sheehan speeech!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only 3 ladies from Alabama, but an entire movement.  Hell, you could have recorded those words from a CIndy Sheehan speeech!</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/pro_patria/comment-page-1/#comment-55144</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For ex, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prospect.org/weblog/archives/2005/08/index.html#007442&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;re some dingbats for you&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;And as they stood around â there were no speeches â they expressed opposition not just to the controversial war in Iraq, but also to the war in Afghanistan, which polls indicate was overwhelmingly supported by the American people.
 
Several felt that in the days after September 11, the United States went too far by attacking Afghanistan. &quot;It was the Taliban and Osama bin Laden,&quot; said one woman. &quot;So why didn&#039;t we just go after him? Why did we attack the whole country?&quot; 

&quot;I didn&#039;t like us doing that,&quot; said another woman. 

&quot;I&#039;m opposed to war generally,&quot; added a third woman. &quot;I believe that both of those wars [Afghanistan and Iraq], but Iraq especially, are wrong.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I assume that their errors of fact and judgment do not need pointing out to OTB readers.  But 3 ladies in Alabama (!) do not add up to &quot;the usual suspects.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For ex, <a href="http://www.prospect.org/weblog/archives/2005/08/index.html#007442" rel="nofollow">here're some dingbats for you</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>And as they stood around â there were no speeches â they expressed opposition not just to the controversial war in Iraq, but also to the war in Afghanistan, which polls indicate was overwhelmingly supported by the American people.</p>
<p>Several felt that in the days after September 11, the United States went too far by attacking Afghanistan. "It was the Taliban and Osama bin Laden," said one woman. "So why didn't we just go after him? Why did we attack the whole country?" </p>
<p>"I didn't like us doing that," said another woman. </p>
<p>"I'm opposed to war generally," added a third woman. "I believe that both of those wars [Afghanistan and Iraq], but Iraq especially, are wrong."</p></blockquote>
<p>I assume that their errors of fact and judgment do not need pointing out to OTB readers.  But 3 ladies in Alabama (!) do not add up to "the usual suspects."</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/pro_patria/comment-page-1/#comment-55142</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McG, we made some rather sad errors in our conduct of the Afghan war, but who were the &quot;usual suspects&quot;?  I was all for charging into Afghanistan and coming out with Osama&#039;s head on a spike, and I would support declaring war against Pakistan tomorrow on much the same basis (assuming that their army/intel boys are indeed sheltering OBL).

As for clicking through, mea culpa, but one freak on a comment thread is not a body of opinion worth taking note of.  Come now, people---if you want to get upset about a potential point of view, type it into Google, and damned if somebody won&#039;t turn out to think just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McG, we made some rather sad errors in our conduct of the Afghan war, but who were the "usual suspects"?  I was all for charging into Afghanistan and coming out with Osama's head on a spike, and I would support declaring war against Pakistan tomorrow on much the same basis (assuming that their army/intel boys are indeed sheltering OBL).</p>
<p>As for clicking through, mea culpa, but one freak on a comment thread is not a body of opinion worth taking note of.  Come now, people---if you want to get upset about a potential point of view, type it into Google, and damned if somebody won't turn out to think just that.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/pro_patria/comment-page-1/#comment-55137</link>
		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And of course, until Iraq became an issue three years ago, the usual suspects were singing the Q word (quagmire) about Afghanistan.

But that&#039;s gone down the memory hole now, I see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course, until Iraq became an issue three years ago, the usual suspects were singing the Q word (quagmire) about Afghanistan.</p>
<p>But that's gone down the memory hole now, I see.</p>
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		<title>By: talboito</title>
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		<dc:creator>talboito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing as how this was a response to a specific comment wouldn&#039;t it make sense to include the context in the post?

Otherwise the quote really rips a new one in that strawman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing as how this was a response to a specific comment wouldn't it make sense to include the context in the post?</p>
<p>Otherwise the quote really rips a new one in that strawman.</p>
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		<title>By: The Glittering Eye</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/pro_patria/comment-page-1/#comment-55128</link>
		<dc:creator>The Glittering Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Catching my eye:  morning A through Z&lt;/strong&gt;

	Here&#8217;s what&#8217;s caught my eye this morning:
	
	Bangladesh blog 3rd world view has the run-down on the bombings there yesterday.  Update here.  Hat tip:  AFOE.
	Abu Aardvark comments on a major speech given by King Abdullah of Jordan yesterda...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Catching my eye:  morning A through Z</strong></p>
<p>	Here&#8217;s what&#8217;s caught my eye this morning:</p>
<p>	Bangladesh blog 3rd world view has the run-down on the bombings there yesterday.  Update here.  Hat tip:  AFOE.<br />
	Abu Aardvark comments on a major speech given by King Abdullah of Jordan yesterda...</p>
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		<title>By: ALS</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/pro_patria/comment-page-1/#comment-55118</link>
		<dc:creator>ALS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I guess I missed out on just who was saying the U.S. was âthe problemâ in Afghanistan.

Must not be keeping up with my Canadian antiwar agitprop.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Anderson - It would help if you actually clicked on links provided. 

Here is what Pro Patria was responding to. It was a comment made on his blog by a poster (Goallll1) who accused him of bombing Afghanistan:


&lt;blockquote&gt;hi
u get for what killing afghans
u came to mi country for osama(ur own creation) but ur doin other activities , leve mi country as soon as possible , don force us to fight against u people as our grand father fight against great-britin &amp; our parents against russian , plz leve us ,
This is all drama created by to billionares families bush-osama .
don wast ur life for politions,

if u forget vetnam than stay in mi country for another,

what u done untill now in afghanistan???????????????
ask ur heart

bobm on childern 

bobm on our holy placess

bobm on schools

we hate the ocopaide forcess in afghanistan if u don leve after election we will fight our freedom fight against u 

Now War nO Drama 

just leve us 
 
Published By Goallll1  &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I guess I missed out on just who was saying the U.S. was âthe problemâ in Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Must not be keeping up with my Canadian antiwar agitprop.</p></blockquote>
<p>Anderson - It would help if you actually clicked on links provided. </p>
<p>Here is what Pro Patria was responding to. It was a comment made on his blog by a poster (Goallll1) who accused him of bombing Afghanistan:</p>
<blockquote><p>hi<br />
u get for what killing afghans<br />
u came to mi country for osama(ur own creation) but ur doin other activities , leve mi country as soon as possible , don force us to fight against u people as our grand father fight against great-britin &amp; our parents against russian , plz leve us ,<br />
This is all drama created by to billionares families bush-osama .<br />
don wast ur life for politions,</p>
<p>if u forget vetnam than stay in mi country for another,</p>
<p>what u done untill now in afghanistan???????????????<br />
ask ur heart</p>
<p>bobm on childern </p>
<p>bobm on our holy placess</p>
<p>bobm on schools</p>
<p>we hate the ocopaide forcess in afghanistan if u don leve after election we will fight our freedom fight against u </p>
<p>Now War nO Drama </p>
<p>just leve us </p>
<p>Published By Goallll1  </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/pro_patria/comment-page-1/#comment-55115</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I missed out on just who was saying the U.S. was &quot;the problem&quot; in Afghanistan.

Must not be keeping up with my Canadian antiwar agitprop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I missed out on just who was saying the U.S. was "the problem" in Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Must not be keeping up with my Canadian antiwar agitprop.</p>
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