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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/professor_refuses_to_sign_loyalty_oath/comment-page-1/#comment-356055</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bithead gets to the right of Beldar?

I need a drink.

And yes, she is (1) legally aggrieved and (2) hot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bithead gets to the right of Beldar?</p>
<p>I need a drink.</p>
<p>And yes, she is (1) legally aggrieved and (2) hot.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/professor_refuses_to_sign_loyalty_oath/comment-page-1/#comment-355627</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 02:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Which assumes that the Constitution isn&#039;t defensible by means of truth. You do know better, don&#039;t you?&lt;/blockquote&gt;No, it assumes that the Constitution can be attacked by means of truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Which assumes that the Constitution isn't defensible by means of truth. You do know better, don't you?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, it assumes that the Constitution can be attacked by means of truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/professor_refuses_to_sign_loyalty_oath/comment-page-1/#comment-355071</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 16:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m a believer that out loyalty is implied and does need to be affirmed by such statements.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fly in the grape juice: Barrack Obama.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Because teaching is about conveying unmolested knowledge. If teachers had to filter everything they teach though a &quot;defend the constitution&quot; test, then students are being cheated of knowledge&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which assumes that the Constitution isn&#039;t defensible by means of truth. You do know better, don&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'm a believer that out loyalty is implied and does need to be affirmed by such statements.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fly in the grape juice: Barrack Obama.</p>
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Because teaching is about conveying unmolested knowledge. If teachers had to filter everything they teach though a "defend the constitution" test, then students are being cheated of knowledge</p></blockquote>
<p>Which assumes that the Constitution isn't defensible by means of truth. You do know better, don't you?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 02:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;d argue that teachers are the first line of defense, by means of what they teach.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Because teaching is about conveying unmolested knowledge.  If teachers had to filter everything they teach though a &quot;defend the constitution&quot; test, then students are being cheated of knowledge.  Examples:

Should a History teacher not show that the constitution has been repeatedly violated, often to the benefit of our country?

Should a Philosophy teacher tailor their instructions so as not to question the correctness of the constitution?

Should a Law or Politicial Science teacher not teach about loopholes and ways to work around the constitution?

Should our teachers be tasked with uplifting the constitution?  Barred from telling students to question it?  Or should they just give their students all knowledge that is available to give them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'd argue that teachers are the first line of defense, by means of what they teach.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because teaching is about conveying unmolested knowledge.  If teachers had to filter everything they teach though a "defend the constitution" test, then students are being cheated of knowledge.  Examples:</p>
<p>Should a History teacher not show that the constitution has been repeatedly violated, often to the benefit of our country?</p>
<p>Should a Philosophy teacher tailor their instructions so as not to question the correctness of the constitution?</p>
<p>Should a Law or Politicial Science teacher not teach about loopholes and ways to work around the constitution?</p>
<p>Should our teachers be tasked with uplifting the constitution?  Barred from telling students to question it?  Or should they just give their students all knowledge that is available to give them?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/professor_refuses_to_sign_loyalty_oath/comment-page-1/#comment-354603</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 01:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Our judges, schooled as they are in case law instead of constitutional law, have created through &quot;immanations or penumbras&quot; the right to murder unborn citizens without half the legal rights of the spotted owl.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Not to detract from your point, but they&#039;re not technically citizens until birth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Our judges, schooled as they are in case law instead of constitutional law, have created through "immanations or penumbras" the right to murder unborn citizens without half the legal rights of the spotted owl.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not to detract from your point, but they're not technically citizens until birth.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Plunk</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/professor_refuses_to_sign_loyalty_oath/comment-page-1/#comment-354125</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Plunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 15:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What shocks me is that the college professors in California haven&#039;t changed this law already.  If they all sign it then certainly they are aware it.

I&#039;m a believer that out loyalty is implied and does need to be affirmed by such statements.

The simple answer is to just get it changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What shocks me is that the college professors in California haven't changed this law already.  If they all sign it then certainly they are aware it.</p>
<p>I'm a believer that out loyalty is implied and does need to be affirmed by such statements.</p>
<p>The simple answer is to just get it changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/professor_refuses_to_sign_loyalty_oath/comment-page-1/#comment-354115</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 14:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You could argue it, but you&#039;d be wrong.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Demonstrate, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You could argue it, but you'd be wrong.</p></blockquote>
<p>Demonstrate, please.</p>
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		<title>By: William d'Inger</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/professor_refuses_to_sign_loyalty_oath/comment-page-1/#comment-354109</link>
		<dc:creator>William d'Inger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 14:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the courts ought to decide if the law is valid, but in the meantime, I have no problem with the school following the law. In fact, I &lt;em&gt;would&lt;/em&gt; have a problem if they ignoreed it.

The article says the woman is pushing 40. Who&#039;s the  teenie bopper in the picture doing her best sad puppy impersonation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the courts ought to decide if the law is valid, but in the meantime, I have no problem with the school following the law. In fact, I <em>would</em> have a problem if they ignoreed it.</p>
<p>The article says the woman is pushing 40. Who's the  teenie bopper in the picture doing her best sad puppy impersonation?</p>
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		<title>By: DA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 11:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to sign such a thing in order to teach when I was a postdoc in New York.  For an example of the New York oath, see for instance
http://cwis.colgate.edu/fachandbook/regs.html
and search the page for &quot;oath&quot; or just scroll down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to sign such a thing in order to teach when I was a postdoc in New York.  For an example of the New York oath, see for instance<br />
<a href="http://cwis.colgate.edu/fachandbook/regs.html" rel="nofollow">http://cwis.colgate.edu/fachandbook/regs.html</a><br />
and search the page for "oath" or just scroll down.</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 11:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real problem is how does one defend the constitution when it&#039;s been massecred by the left and several presidents (including GOP) for decades. Half of our polititians don&#039;t appear to know what it says, and the other half apparently don&#039;t care what it says. Even GOP McCainiacs could care about defending core &quot;principles&quot; which is what the Constitution has codified. Bush and many in DC have no problem taking the oath and then ignored the border laws it included through implication. Our judges, schooled as they are in case law instead of constitutional law, have created through &quot;immanations or penumbras&quot; the right to murder unborn citizens without half the legal rights of the spotted owl.

At one time, I would have been horrified by a refusal to take an oath to the constitution. Now I have to wonder, why bother, it&#039;s just something for fouth grade teachers to use in order to pass time teaching. Cnynical? You bet!

 a living document&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real problem is how does one defend the constitution when it's been massecred by the left and several presidents (including GOP) for decades. Half of our polititians don't appear to know what it says, and the other half apparently don't care what it says. Even GOP McCainiacs could care about defending core "principles" which is what the Constitution has codified. Bush and many in DC have no problem taking the oath and then ignored the border laws it included through implication. Our judges, schooled as they are in case law instead of constitutional law, have created through "immanations or penumbras" the right to murder unborn citizens without half the legal rights of the spotted owl.</p>
<p>At one time, I would have been horrified by a refusal to take an oath to the constitution. Now I have to wonder, why bother, it's just something for fouth grade teachers to use in order to pass time teaching. Cnynical? You bet!</p>
<p> a living document"</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 10:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would normally delete the barely-related Jehovah&#039;s Witness diatribe as spam.  But, even if all that is true, can we agree that beating up little kids for following their religious beliefs and refusing to salute the flag is a bad thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would normally delete the barely-related Jehovah's Witness diatribe as spam.  But, even if all that is true, can we agree that beating up little kids for following their religious beliefs and refusing to salute the flag is a bad thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Haszard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Haszard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 10:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jehovah’s Witnesses and the flag salute. 

I was born into the Jehovah’s Witnesses in 1957.I was the good little JW boy who got beaten up in the school yard for not saluting the flag and remaining seated for the Star Spangled Banner as demanded by my Jehovah’s Witnesses leaders. 
This was the ‘better dead than red’ era of the 1960’s, I suffered much,only to learn that the Watchtower corporation is just another made up man-made religion and not the true one.
Kids suffer because of arbitrary rules by Jehovah’s Witnesses leaders,senile old men squatting in their insulated ivory tower.
I now proudly fly the Flag at my home

The &#039;religion&#039; of Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses is a dangerous cult that controls every aspect of its members&#039; lives. 

Are they knocking on your door?
----
Danny Haszard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jehovah&rsquo;s Witnesses and the flag salute. </p>
<p>I was born into the Jehovah&rsquo;s Witnesses in 1957.I was the good little JW boy who got beaten up in the school yard for not saluting the flag and remaining seated for the Star Spangled Banner as demanded by my Jehovah&rsquo;s Witnesses leaders.<br />
This was the ‘better dead than red&rsquo; era of the 1960&rsquo;s, I suffered much,only to learn that the Watchtower corporation is just another made up man-made religion and not the true one.<br />
Kids suffer because of arbitrary rules by Jehovah&rsquo;s Witnesses leaders,senile old men squatting in their insulated ivory tower.<br />
I now proudly fly the Flag at my home</p>
<p>The 'religion' of Jehovah's Witnesses is a dangerous cult that controls every aspect of its members' lives. </p>
<p>Are they knocking on your door?<br />
----<br />
Danny Haszard</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 04:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;d argue that teachers are the first line of defense, by means of what they teach.&lt;/blockquote&gt;You could argue it, but you&#039;d be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'd argue that teachers are the first line of defense, by means of what they teach.</p></blockquote>
<p>You could argue it, but you'd be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Zara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 03:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She absolutely should not be fired for refusing to sign a loyalty oath -- but she should be fired for that ridiculous &quot;I am a saintly victim&quot; photograph.  Unbearable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She absolutely should not be fired for refusing to sign a loyalty oath -- but she should be fired for that ridiculous "I am a saintly victim" photograph.  Unbearable.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 00:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Not so much because of the abject stupidity and violation of academic freedom cited by John Cole and Fontana Labs, although those factors are surely there. But why on earth are college professors being asked to take oaths that they couldn’t possibly be called on to carry out?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;d not be so quick on this one, James.
I&#039;d argue that teachers are the first line of defense, by means of what they teach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not so much because of the abject stupidity and violation of academic freedom cited by John Cole and Fontana Labs, although those factors are surely there. But why on earth are college professors being asked to take oaths that they couldn&rsquo;t possibly be called on to carry out?</p></blockquote>
<p>I'd not be so quick on this one, James.<br />
I'd argue that teachers are the first line of defense, by means of what they teach.</p>
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