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	<title>Comments on: Professor Suspended for Showing Class &#8216;Fahrenheit 911&#8242;</title>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/professor_suspended_for_showing_class_911/comment-page-1/#comment-28224</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2004 05:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You must be implying that students attending a junior college do not deserve the same educational opportunities as those at a four year school?  My money is just as green as everyone elseâs.  I may be at a junior college but I am there to make the best of the classes, not to shut out ideas that may be different from my own.  No one is forced to believe anything or to even be there.  Just because you donât agree with something, that doesnât necessarily make it wrong and itâs the people that can&#039;t except that who make Americans look bad to the rest of the world.  What happened to freedom of speech and expression?  There are much bigger problems in this country than my punctuation and grammar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must be implying that students attending a junior college do not deserve the same educational opportunities as those at a four year school?  My money is just as green as everyone elseâs.  I may be at a junior college but I am there to make the best of the classes, not to shut out ideas that may be different from my own.  No one is forced to believe anything or to even be there.  Just because you donât agree with something, that doesnât necessarily make it wrong and itâs the people that can't except that who make Americans look bad to the rest of the world.  What happened to freedom of speech and expression?  There are much bigger problems in this country than my punctuation and grammar.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/professor_suspended_for_showing_class_911/comment-page-1/#comment-28151</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s junior college.  They should probably teach people proper grammar and capitalization before they &quot;expand&quot; their minds with nonsense like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it's junior college.  They should probably teach people proper grammar and capitalization before they "expand" their minds with nonsense like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/professor_suspended_for_showing_class_911/comment-page-1/#comment-28074</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2004 04:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The english class in question is an argument based class it says so right in the syllabus. I attend the school and have attended all of his classes. People who fear ideas that go beyond the level of their comfort zone should not waste their money to attend a school of HIGHER education.  The college classroom is intended to expand your mind and present new ideas.  He was presenting an issue to the students so that they could form their own opinions in an educated, adult manner. I thought that was what college was all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The english class in question is an argument based class it says so right in the syllabus. I attend the school and have attended all of his classes. People who fear ideas that go beyond the level of their comfort zone should not waste their money to attend a school of HIGHER education.  The college classroom is intended to expand your mind and present new ideas.  He was presenting an issue to the students so that they could form their own opinions in an educated, adult manner. I thought that was what college was all about.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/professor_suspended_for_showing_class_911/comment-page-1/#comment-27858</link>
		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the state of education as it is, instructors need to stick to the basics.  All too often the classroom becomes a soap-box for some left-wing prof. who couldn&#039;t make a splash in the working world.

If there was a policy in place against political grand standing, the prof. knowingly violated it and should be kicked to the curb.  That would make this a simple matter of pissing upwind, rather than a question of whether or not thestudents should be seeing this material in class</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the state of education as it is, instructors need to stick to the basics.  All too often the classroom becomes a soap-box for some left-wing prof. who couldn't make a splash in the working world.</p>
<p>If there was a policy in place against political grand standing, the prof. knowingly violated it and should be kicked to the curb.  That would make this a simple matter of pissing upwind, rather than a question of whether or not thestudents should be seeing this material in class</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I see by the comments of our conservative host and by some of his coherts that freedom of speech and acedemic freedom are not values you find worthy of defending.&lt;/i&gt;

All this because we don&#039;t agree with &lt;b&gt;you.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I see by the comments of our conservative host and by some of his coherts that freedom of speech and acedemic freedom are not values you find worthy of defending.</i></p>
<p>All this because we don't agree with <b>you.</b></p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/professor_suspended_for_showing_class_911/comment-page-1/#comment-27819</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 04:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see by the comments of our conservative host and by some of his coherts that freedom of speech and acedemic freedom are not values you find worthy of defending. 

You give lip service to them but as soon as the speech becomes a challenge to the dominant conservative culture you want to squash it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see by the comments of our conservative host and by some of his coherts that freedom of speech and acedemic freedom are not values you find worthy of defending. </p>
<p>You give lip service to them but as soon as the speech becomes a challenge to the dominant conservative culture you want to squash it.</p>
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		<title>By: Attila Girl</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/professor_suspended_for_showing_class_911/comment-page-1/#comment-27810</link>
		<dc:creator>Attila Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 02:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the abstract, there&#039;s nothing wrong with showing the movie: after all, at my high school *Birth of a Nation* used to be shown in the AP history classes. 

What&#039;s wrong is a community college teacher flagrantly abusing his position of authority in a naked attempt to sway his students to his own way of thinking regarding a presidential candidate--and on the eve of an election. Using taxpayer money.

It would be one thing if this were an attempt to study propoganda techniques, or how to &quot;lie by telling the truth,&quot; or discussing what constitutes a bogus argument. But simply showing the film without any kind of context is tantamount to showing *Birth of a Nation* in a positive light, or displaying and endorsing the work of Leni Riefenstahl. It&#039;s an egregious abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the abstract, there's nothing wrong with showing the movie: after all, at my high school *Birth of a Nation* used to be shown in the AP history classes. </p>
<p>What's wrong is a community college teacher flagrantly abusing his position of authority in a naked attempt to sway his students to his own way of thinking regarding a presidential candidate--and on the eve of an election. Using taxpayer money.</p>
<p>It would be one thing if this were an attempt to study propoganda techniques, or how to "lie by telling the truth," or discussing what constitutes a bogus argument. But simply showing the film without any kind of context is tantamount to showing *Birth of a Nation* in a positive light, or displaying and endorsing the work of Leni Riefenstahl. It's an egregious abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Anjin-San</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anjin-San</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He should have showed FarenHype for balance. That said, we do need to be careful about the supression of ideas in the classroom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He should have showed FarenHype for balance. That said, we do need to be careful about the supression of ideas in the classroom.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/professor_suspended_for_showing_class_911/comment-page-1/#comment-27781</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t a film class, it was a remedial English class at JuCo. Apparently, the college has rules in place against profs bringing politics into the classroom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn't a film class, it was a remedial English class at JuCo. Apparently, the college has rules in place against profs bringing politics into the classroom.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/professor_suspended_for_showing_class_911/comment-page-1/#comment-27777</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the movie was entirely appropriate to show in his film class. It was after all a major award winning documentary. 

As far as it being shown in an English composition class, again as a documentary it has educational value as a topic on which student can write papers. Teachers often introduce subject matter and ask student to write about it without such censorship on the part of the administration. Because it was such a powerful film it would probably elicite powerful feelings on the part of the students which would need to be controlled in order to write coherent english sentences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the movie was entirely appropriate to show in his film class. It was after all a major award winning documentary. </p>
<p>As far as it being shown in an English composition class, again as a documentary it has educational value as a topic on which student can write papers. Teachers often introduce subject matter and ask student to write about it without such censorship on the part of the administration. Because it was such a powerful film it would probably elicite powerful feelings on the part of the students which would need to be controlled in order to write coherent english sentences.</p>
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		<title>By: Tig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno, I suppose I could see how to use it as a teachin&#039; tool at an English composition course. I show them the movie, explain what was wrong with the scenario, and tell them any one of them could have done a better presentation of a story than the one they had seen, because I was almost sure they each had the fortitude to actually check out the truth of what they were presentin&#039; as the truth before actually presentin&#039; such. Or simply as an example of &lt;i&gt;propoganda&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, I suppose I could see how to use it as a teachin' tool at an English composition course. I show them the movie, explain what was wrong with the scenario, and tell them any one of them could have done a better presentation of a story than the one they had seen, because I was almost sure they each had the fortitude to actually check out the truth of what they were presentin' as the truth before actually presentin' such. Or simply as an example of <i>propoganda</i>.</p>
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