And if it goes south there will be a bailout on top of it. You forgot that part.

If that's the only error I made in my slap-dash example, I feel pretty good.

But, imagine the bet is complicated enough not to be that obvious, and imagine you aren't betting your own money. Imagine that you get a monster bonus every year the bet works ... and if it fails you only get fired ...

And if it goes south there will be a bailout on top of it. You forgot that part. That is what makes it looting vs. simple moral hazard.

And amazingly, it is always the engineers' fault and never the managers.

For anyone who hasn't heard, it works like this: Imagine a bet that earns 20% and pays off 90% of the time. In the 10% case, the bet loses 100%. Some of us might take that bet, for small money, but we probably wouldn't borrow at 30:1 using all we own, to make a monster bet ... one that will pay off well if we win, but could leave us owing about 30 times what we were worth before we started.

But, imagine the bet is complicated enough not to be that obvious, and imagine you aren't betting your own money. Imagine that you get a monster bonus every year the bet works ... and if it fails you only get fired ...

That's what the Countrywide-style banks did with mortgages and what AIG did with credit default swaps.

There have got to be more out there ... the "plan" works with any number of underlying investments ...

You are commenting on ancient history. And I do not necessarily disagree with your observatuion.

But the current bonuses are directed at a specific and current goal.

... maybe that is too much "charting the market" to be a real concern, but in terms of publicly available data, that's the worst I've seen of late.

I find it very disconcerting how many people disagree with these moves. It's like Washington is choosing all the wrong moves at the wrong times. Why? Are they all that incompetent? Are they all not listening to the experts? Have they all forgotten the lesson of history?

Maybe inflation or hyperinflation is their way out of this mess and a big enough crisis they can't let it go to waste.

One of the reasons this is so outrageous is that the promise of such bonuses was in fact one of the very factors that caused our current problems, creating incentives for managers of AIG to get out of solid insurance underwriting and into hedge fund gambling. If anyone had supposed that AIG had "learned its lesson", this report seemed to dash that hope against the wall like a plate of china.

I don't think any of them knows where this is going.

But my big question is "why now?"

Weren't things supposed to be on the mend? This seems kind of like "break glass in case of fire" and at an odd time.

re: AIG triviality...amen

Now.

Is there a way to quantitatively evaluate the inflationary impact of printing money now, er, "quantitative easing," vs the deflationary conditions of the current economy (like lower velocity or asset deflation) and, if so, is the inflationary impact just kicked down the road 2 or 3 years??

Thanks

What does that mean?

It basically means putting more cash into circulation--you gotta watch out for inflation with this activity.

People have been talking about this for weeks.