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		<title>By: AlphaPatriot</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/railing_against_the_pirates_of_tehran/comment-page-1/#comment-119432</link>
		<dc:creator>AlphaPatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Fred Thompson: Clear Vision in Clear Terms...&lt;/strong&gt;

Soon to be candidate Fred Thompson [hope, hope, pray, pray!] authors a Reaganesque column about The Pirates of Tehran. Thompson clearly recognizes the danger that we face and what this moment in history means to Iraq, the region and, in the end, the wo...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Fred Thompson: Clear Vision in Clear Terms...</strong></p>
<p>Soon to be candidate Fred Thompson [hope, hope, pray, pray!] authors a Reaganesque column about The Pirates of Tehran. Thompson clearly recognizes the danger that we face and what this moment in history means to Iraq, the region and, in the end, the wo...</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/railing_against_the_pirates_of_tehran/comment-page-1/#comment-119420</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 20:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, you know that I agree with your assessment of the rationality of the Iranian regime and that I believe that (politically acceptable in the United States) military force against Iran would be unlikely to achieve much in the way of outcomes favorable to the U. S.  However, there is one major problem problem with the theory that we share.

Let&#039;s say, hypothetically, that the Iranians are known with 100% certainty to have nuclear weapons; they&#039;ve tested a weapon and invited inspectors to see the weapons they have on hand.  Farfetched, I know, but let&#039;s pretend.  If Iranian President Ahmadinejad (or any other loudmouth in the regime), were to make noises about erasing Israel from the map of history or some such, the Israelis would have complete moral justification in launching a preemptive attack (including thermonuclear) against them.  Knowledge of capability; reasonable knowledge of the imminence of an attack.

An Iranian nuclear weapon in the hands of the feckless Iranian regime would put the entire region on a hair trigger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, you know that I agree with your assessment of the rationality of the Iranian regime and that I believe that (politically acceptable in the United States) military force against Iran would be unlikely to achieve much in the way of outcomes favorable to the U. S.  However, there is one major problem problem with the theory that we share.</p>
<p>Let's say, hypothetically, that the Iranians are known with 100% certainty to have nuclear weapons; they've tested a weapon and invited inspectors to see the weapons they have on hand.  Farfetched, I know, but let's pretend.  If Iranian President Ahmadinejad (or any other loudmouth in the regime), were to make noises about erasing Israel from the map of history or some such, the Israelis would have complete moral justification in launching a preemptive attack (including thermonuclear) against them.  Knowledge of capability; reasonable knowledge of the imminence of an attack.</p>
<p>An Iranian nuclear weapon in the hands of the feckless Iranian regime would put the entire region on a hair trigger.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey NTH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikey NTH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Thompson&#039;s statement received such a reaction despite having no &quot;red meat&quot; due to the other candidates speaking even more and saying even less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Thompson's statement received such a reaction despite having no "red meat" due to the other candidates speaking even more and saying even less.</p>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/railing_against_the_pirates_of_tehran/comment-page-1/#comment-119413</link>
		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Using a nuke would assure their destruction, as Israel or somebody will turn them into a glass parking lot.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Israel would if it still could; we probably wouldn&#039;t respond with nukes to an Iranian nuclear strike on Israel. 

But the real problem is that the currently rational Iranian leaders may become entirely irrational when they&#039;re on the brink of being overthrown by the Iranian people. And using a nuke then might well cement them into power, if those leaders could avoid being cemented into the green glass over Tehran. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Short of using it, conversely, having a nuke increases Iran&#039;s prestige and security.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Perversely&lt;/em&gt;, having a nuke makes it possible to use one, and encourages power-mad gamesmanship that might end up in it being used.

More (respectful) dissent on &lt;a href=&quot;http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2007/04/we_cant_expect_.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my own bandwidth&lt;/a&gt;. Thanks for the thoughtful post, though, Dr. Joyner, and the prompt response to my earlier comment here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Using a nuke would assure their destruction, as Israel or somebody will turn them into a glass parking lot.</p></blockquote>
<p>Israel would if it still could; we probably wouldn't respond with nukes to an Iranian nuclear strike on Israel. </p>
<p>But the real problem is that the currently rational Iranian leaders may become entirely irrational when they're on the brink of being overthrown by the Iranian people. And using a nuke then might well cement them into power, if those leaders could avoid being cemented into the green glass over Tehran. </p>
<blockquote><p>Short of using it, conversely, having a nuke increases Iran's prestige and security.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Perversely</em>, having a nuke makes it possible to use one, and encourages power-mad gamesmanship that might end up in it being used.</p>
<p>More (respectful) dissent on <a href="http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2007/04/we_cant_expect_.html" rel="nofollow">my own bandwidth</a>. Thanks for the thoughtful post, though, Dr. Joyner, and the prompt response to my earlier comment here!</p>
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		<title>By: BeldarBlog</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/railing_against_the_pirates_of_tehran/comment-page-1/#comment-119412</link>
		<dc:creator>BeldarBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;We can&#039;t expect candidates to come up with the &quot;best of the bad&quot; options for Iran, nor wait for them to do so...&lt;/strong&gt;

I suspect that Dr. Joyner&#039;s correct in his assumption that &quot;Irans nuclear facilities are scattered and buried deep enough to make their destruction from the safety of a B-1 bomber virtually impossible.&quot; That doesn&#039;t mean, though, that we ought to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>We can't expect candidates to come up with the "best of the bad" options for Iran, nor wait for them to do so...</strong></p>
<p>I suspect that Dr. Joyner's correct in his assumption that "Irans nuclear facilities are scattered and buried deep enough to make their destruction from the safety of a B-1 bomber virtually impossible." That doesn't mean, though, that we ought to...</p>
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		<title>By: The Sandbox</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/railing_against_the_pirates_of_tehran/comment-page-1/#comment-119406</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sandbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 16:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;If Fred Thompson Runs, He&#039;s My Guy...&lt;/strong&gt;

Well, he first got me in the straight talkin&#039; mood when I watched Days of Thunder last night. Now, he&#039;s blogging over at Redstate:Oil prices fell. The stock market rose. Video images of smiling British soldiers with Iranian President Ahmadinejad...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>If Fred Thompson Runs, He's My Guy...</strong></p>
<p>Well, he first got me in the straight talkin' mood when I watched Days of Thunder last night. Now, he's blogging over at Redstate:Oil prices fell. The stock market rose. Video images of smiling British soldiers with Iranian President Ahmadinejad...</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 16:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Judging from the reaction in the Right Blogosophere, though, tough but vague words are apparently quite appealing.&lt;/i&gt;

Ha!  Nearly fell out of my chair on that one... you need to be more careful on Sunday mornings if you&#039;re going to slip in stuff like that in your posts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Judging from the reaction in the Right Blogosophere, though, tough but vague words are apparently quite appealing.</i></p>
<p>Ha!  Nearly fell out of my chair on that one... you need to be more careful on Sunday mornings if you're going to slip in stuff like that in your posts...</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have any of you ever read the teachings of Muhammad? Iran&#039;s leadership are true believers and they must be stopped now. James, none of the leaders you have named worshiped a god that says the only way to become a true believer is to Kill the infidel in his name, it is the only way they can, all others fall short of the glory of their god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have any of you ever read the teachings of Muhammad? Iran's leadership are true believers and they must be stopped now. James, none of the leaders you have named worshiped a god that says the only way to become a true believer is to Kill the infidel in his name, it is the only way they can, all others fall short of the glory of their god.</p>
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		<title>By: BeldarBlog</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/railing_against_the_pirates_of_tehran/comment-page-1/#comment-119402</link>
		<dc:creator>BeldarBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Don&#039;t expect candidates to identify even the &quot;least-bad&quot; options for Iran...&lt;/strong&gt;

As it happened, when I read Dr. James Joyner&#039;s thoughtful post entitled Railing Against the Pirates of Tehran, I had just added a link to Fred Thompson&#039;s blog-post yesterday on Redstate in a post of my own about Iran. I agree with several of Dr. Joyn...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Don't expect candidates to identify even the "least-bad" options for Iran...</strong></p>
<p>As it happened, when I read Dr. James Joyner's thoughtful post entitled Railing Against the Pirates of Tehran, I had just added a link to Fred Thompson's blog-post yesterday on Redstate in a post of my own about Iran. I agree with several of Dr. Joyn...</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assume for the moment that this really was a PR/propaganda win for Iran. What I wonder about is: Do we care?  Does it actually hurt our interests, and if so, how much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assume for the moment that this really was a PR/propaganda win for Iran. What I wonder about is: Do we care?  Does it actually hurt our interests, and if so, how much?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;You have a different working assumption?&lt;/em&gt;

Yep.  Remember, Joe Stalin, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong Il, and the Pakistanis had/have nukes.  Nobody has popped one off.

The mullahs may be crazy but they&#039;re not irrational.  Using a nuke would assure their destruction, as Israel or somebody will turn them into a glass parking lot.  Short of using it, conversely, having a nuke increases Iran&#039;s prestige and security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>You have a different working assumption?</em></p>
<p>Yep.  Remember, Joe Stalin, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong Il, and the Pakistanis had/have nukes.  Nobody has popped one off.</p>
<p>The mullahs may be crazy but they're not irrational.  Using a nuke would assure their destruction, as Israel or somebody will turn them into a glass parking lot.  Short of using it, conversely, having a nuke increases Iran's prestige and security.</p>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 13:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A military invasion would likely have more negative consequences for the region than a nuclear armed Iran.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Surely you jest.

My working assumption is that if the Iranians get a nuke, they&#039;ll use it.  I&#039;m not just worried about them using a nuke to ratchet up their regional leverage.

You have a different working assumption?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A military invasion would likely have more negative consequences for the region than a nuclear armed Iran.</p></blockquote>
<p>Surely you jest.</p>
<p>My working assumption is that if the Iranians get a nuke, they'll use it.  I'm not just worried about them using a nuke to ratchet up their regional leverage.</p>
<p>You have a different working assumption?</p>
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		<title>By: don surber</title>
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		<dc:creator>don surber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 13:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link. I initially thought it was staff-written too. But then he&#039;s a lawyer. They tend to write well. Whoever wrote it: This needed to be said by someone in authority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link. I initially thought it was staff-written too. But then he's a lawyer. They tend to write well. Whoever wrote it: This needed to be said by someone in authority.</p>
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