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		<title>By: arky</title>
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		<dc:creator>arky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;UPDATE: See Steven Taylor for more thoughts on why the emphasis on Obama’s name might reasonably construed as race baiting.&quot;

I can agree with the baiting part.  My problem is when you try to make it about race.  To use Steve&#039;s example, would using someone&#039;s middle name of &#039;Adolph&#039; in the 40s have been a racial reference?  

Too many people run right for the race issue whenever a minority is in the news.  Why does it have to be race?  Religion (Islam) is NOT racial.  Names are not racial.  

If you want to take someone to task for emphasizing another&#039;s cultural/ethnic roots, then call it that way.  But why does everyone have to trot out the race card everywhere?  It&#039;s getting (or has been) worse than comparisons to Hitler or facism.  I think there&#039;s a corollary to Godwin&#039;s law buried somewhere here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"UPDATE: See Steven Taylor for more thoughts on why the emphasis on Obama&rsquo;s name might reasonably construed as race baiting."</p>
<p>I can agree with the baiting part.  My problem is when you try to make it about race.  To use Steve's example, would using someone's middle name of 'Adolph' in the 40s have been a racial reference?  </p>
<p>Too many people run right for the race issue whenever a minority is in the news.  Why does it have to be race?  Religion (Islam) is NOT racial.  Names are not racial.  </p>
<p>If you want to take someone to task for emphasizing another's cultural/ethnic roots, then call it that way.  But why does everyone have to trot out the race card everywhere?  It's getting (or has been) worse than comparisons to Hitler or facism.  I think there's a corollary to Godwin's law buried somewhere here.</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
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		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama and co show their immaturity by playing the race/religion/whatever card.  Obama should have stated that Hussein is his middle name and he is proud of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama and co show their immaturity by playing the race/religion/whatever card.  Obama should have stated that Hussein is his middle name and he is proud of it.</p>
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		<title>By: bains</title>
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		<dc:creator>bains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Just to say [...] Everyone knows &#039;Bushitler&#039; etc etc is just stupid name-calling, but people actually think that being called &#039;Hussein Obama&#039; makes him a Muslim, and makes them take the madrassa, Islamic fundementalist Manchurian nonsense much more seriously.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  No.  Both are transparently stupid.  To argue as you do is to fall into the &quot;identity politics&quot; trap that the left has so insidious set up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just to say [...] Everyone knows 'Bushitler' etc etc is just stupid name-calling, but people actually think that being called 'Hussein Obama' makes him a Muslim, and makes them take the madrassa, Islamic fundementalist Manchurian nonsense much more seriously.</p></blockquote>
<p>  No.  Both are transparently stupid.  To argue as you do is to fall into the "identity politics" trap that the left has so insidious set up.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As for George W. Bush, opponents frequently use Chimpy McBush, or GW Bushitler or variants thereafter.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
 
Indeed people do this but these aren&#039;t people who are going on to talk immediately before a serious presidential candidate.

The difference mainly is the implication, calling GWB &#039;Chimpy McBush&#039;, whilst immature,  isn&#039;t designed to tap into fears that GWB might be a secret chimp, whereas the &#039;B. Hussein Obama&#039; references &lt;/em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; designed to tap into fears that Obama is a secret muslim.
 
Just to say, I&#039;m pretty conservative and quite like McCain, and I&#039;ve no doubt that insulting names are thrown around by all sides, c&#039;est la vie, but there is a difference with what is happening with Obama. Everyone knows &#039;Bushitler&#039; etc etc is just stupid name-calling, but people &lt;em&gt;actually&lt;/em&gt; think that being called &#039;Hussein Obama&#039; makes him a Muslim, and makes them take the madrassa, Islamic fundementalist Manchurian nonsense much more seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As for George W. Bush, opponents frequently use Chimpy McBush, or GW Bushitler or variants thereafter.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed people do this but these aren't people who are going on to talk immediately before a serious presidential candidate.</p>
<p>The difference mainly is the implication, calling GWB 'Chimpy McBush', whilst immature,  isn't designed to tap into fears that GWB might be a secret chimp, whereas the 'B. Hussein Obama' references are designed to tap into fears that Obama is a secret muslim.</p>
<p>Just to say, I'm pretty conservative and quite like McCain, and I've no doubt that insulting names are thrown around by all sides, c'est la vie, but there is a difference with what is happening with Obama. Everyone knows 'Bushitler' etc etc is just stupid name-calling, but people <em>actually</em> think that being called 'Hussein Obama' makes him a Muslim, and makes them take the madrassa, Islamic fundementalist Manchurian nonsense much more seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: bains</title>
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		<dc:creator>bains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t remember the Reps going onto platforms to talk about Bill Jefferson Clinton, or the Dems ever discussing the policies of George Waaalker Bush.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  No, they used the proper &lt;strong&gt;William Jefferson&lt;/strong&gt; Clinton.  As for George W. Bush, opponents frequently use Chimpy McBush, or GW Bushitler or variants thereafter.  The people I ostensibly side with willingly call out their own when such slights are issued.  Not so for the other side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don't remember the Reps going onto platforms to talk about Bill Jefferson Clinton, or the Dems ever discussing the policies of George Waaalker Bush.</p></blockquote>
<p>  No, they used the proper <strong>William Jefferson</strong> Clinton.  As for George W. Bush, opponents frequently use Chimpy McBush, or GW Bushitler or variants thereafter.  The people I ostensibly side with willingly call out their own when such slights are issued.  Not so for the other side.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, what am I guilty of when I recall John Fitzgerald Kennedy, John Forbes Kerry, Harry S. Truman, John Quincy Adams, Dwight D(avid) Eisenhower, Clare Booth Luce, William Jefferson Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, et al?

Posted by John425 &#124; February 28, 2008 &#124; 01:28 pm &#124; Permalink 

 
 But you don&#039;t put the vocal emphasis on the middle name (or even use it at all.) I don&#039;t remember the Reps going onto platforms to talk about Bill &lt;em&gt;Jefferson&lt;/em&gt; Clinton, or the Dems ever discussing the policies of George &lt;em&gt;Waaalker&lt;/em&gt; Bush. Because that&#039;s how people say Hussein when they talk about Obama. Barack &lt;em&gt;Husseeeeein&lt;/em&gt; Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, what am I guilty of when I recall John Fitzgerald Kennedy, John Forbes Kerry, Harry S. Truman, John Quincy Adams, Dwight D(avid) Eisenhower, Clare Booth Luce, William Jefferson Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, et al?</p>
<p>Posted by John425 | February 28, 2008 | 01:28 pm | Permalink </p>
<p> But you don't put the vocal emphasis on the middle name (or even use it at all.) I don't remember the Reps going onto platforms to talk about Bill <em>Jefferson</em> Clinton, or the Dems ever discussing the policies of George <em>Waaalker</em> Bush. Because that's how people say Hussein when they talk about Obama. Barack <em>Husseeeeein</em> Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: bains</title>
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		<dc:creator>bains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops... thought I had an original thought there.  I &lt;strike&gt;sit rejected&lt;/strike&gt; stand corrected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops... thought I had an original thought there.  I <strike>sit rejected</strike> stand corrected.</p>
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		<title>By: bains</title>
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		<dc:creator>bains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But, generally speaking, “red meat” doesn’t mean “racial slurs.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;  An aside: Unless you are a Democrat, and then it is quite alright.  

Umm, Bill Cunningham&#039;s usage of Barak&#039;s middle name is not racist.  It is sophomorically stupid, but when you say it is racist, you are succumbing to the linguistic sloppiness so prevalent amongst peddlers of identity politics (i could add leftist, but that would be redundant).  You are becoming inside the beltway Dr. Joyner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But, generally speaking, “red meat” doesn&rsquo;t mean “racial slurs.”</p></blockquote>
<p>  An aside: Unless you are a Democrat, and then it is quite alright.  </p>
<p>Umm, Bill Cunningham's usage of Barak's middle name is not racist.  It is sophomorically stupid, but when you say it is racist, you are succumbing to the linguistic sloppiness so prevalent amongst peddlers of identity politics (i could add leftist, but that would be redundant).  You are becoming inside the beltway Dr. Joyner.</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
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		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another BS complaint. At this rate McCain will have capitulated by default before the race even starts.

Just what did the guy say that was so terrible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another BS complaint. At this rate McCain will have capitulated by default before the race even starts.</p>
<p>Just what did the guy say that was so terrible?</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just what is the racial connotation in Hussein?  I thought Hussein was more of an Arab name.  Seems it is a Muslim name, maybe.  What part Arab or Mosley is B. Hussein Obama?  I thought he was Nigerian and Hippie.  What about his financial connection to a former member of the PLO?  His Chicago roots have yet to be explored.  I know he makes the claim he was against the war in Iraq.  This is based upon what information that was available to a state legislator?  What intelligence is normally shared with Illinois state senators?  This man needs to be scrutinized throughly before voting for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just what is the racial connotation in Hussein?  I thought Hussein was more of an Arab name.  Seems it is a Muslim name, maybe.  What part Arab or Mosley is B. Hussein Obama?  I thought he was Nigerian and Hippie.  What about his financial connection to a former member of the PLO?  His Chicago roots have yet to be explored.  I know he makes the claim he was against the war in Iraq.  This is based upon what information that was available to a state legislator?  What intelligence is normally shared with Illinois state senators?  This man needs to be scrutinized throughly before voting for him.</p>
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		<title>By: John425</title>
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		<dc:creator>John425</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, what am I guilty of when I recall John &lt;strong&gt;Fitzgerald &lt;/strong&gt;Kennedy, John &lt;strong&gt;Forbes &lt;/strong&gt;Kerry, Harry &lt;strong&gt;S.&lt;/strong&gt; Truman, John &lt;strong&gt;Quincy&lt;/strong&gt; Adams, Dwight &lt;strong&gt;D(avid)&lt;/strong&gt; Eisenhower, Clare &lt;strong&gt;Booth&lt;/strong&gt; Luce, William &lt;strong&gt;Jefferson&lt;/strong&gt; Clinton, Hillary &lt;strong&gt;Rodham&lt;/strong&gt; Clinton, et al?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, what am I guilty of when I recall John <strong>Fitzgerald </strong>Kennedy, John <strong>Forbes </strong>Kerry, Harry <strong>S.</strong> Truman, John <strong>Quincy</strong> Adams, Dwight <strong>D(avid)</strong> Eisenhower, Clare <strong>Booth</strong> Luce, William <strong>Jefferson</strong> Clinton, Hillary <strong>Rodham</strong> Clinton, et al?</p>
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		<title>By: PoliBlog &#8482;: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; Back to the Politics of Middle Names</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoliBlog &#8482;: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; Back to the Politics of Middle Names</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Joyner comments as well, and deals with the &#8220;red meat&#8221; issue.   Sphere: Related Content  Filed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jmccomb</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmccomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Cunningham is a talk show host in Cincinnati, OHIO. 700 WLW. Nationally, it&#039;s a rather large radio concern - always has been.  It&#039;s the only AM radio station broadcast via XM radio

No wonder you hadn&#039;t heard of the Tennessee radio station or personality.

Cunningham is just a wild personality - paid to stir it up, eat red meat on the radio and make you laugh while seeing reality, from a different point of view, at the same time.

Unfortunately he was talking radio when he was on the stage introducing McCain.  He should know the difference in the environment. He should have shown better discretion, and he should be a big man, admit it, and get over it so we can all get together and win this thing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Cunningham is a talk show host in Cincinnati, OHIO. 700 WLW. Nationally, it's a rather large radio concern - always has been.  It's the only AM radio station broadcast via XM radio</p>
<p>No wonder you hadn't heard of the Tennessee radio station or personality.</p>
<p>Cunningham is just a wild personality - paid to stir it up, eat red meat on the radio and make you laugh while seeing reality, from a different point of view, at the same time.</p>
<p>Unfortunately he was talking radio when he was on the stage introducing McCain.  He should know the difference in the environment. He should have shown better discretion, and he should be a big man, admit it, and get over it so we can all get together and win this thing</p>
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		<title>By: DA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Barack Obama is McCain’s probable opponent for domestic political office. The other Muslims the campaign is “taunting” ...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The &lt;em&gt;other&lt;/em&gt; Muslims?
I assume this was just sloppiness, and not an attempt to participate in the &quot;Obama is a Muslim&quot; campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Barack Obama is McCain&rsquo;s probable opponent for domestic political office. The other Muslims the campaign is “taunting” ...</p></blockquote>
<p>The <em>other</em> Muslims?<br />
I assume this was just sloppiness, and not an attempt to participate in the "Obama is a Muslim" campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>racial slur? I think the link was more about feeding fears of terrorism links than racial... and if it wasn&#039;t a big deal, then why is McCain&#039;s apology a big deal? why not shrug that off? cunningham is just looking for a moment of sun and unfortunately bashing the GOP candidate doesn&#039;t help elect a Republican in the fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>racial slur? I think the link was more about feeding fears of terrorism links than racial... and if it wasn't a big deal, then why is McCain's apology a big deal? why not shrug that off? cunningham is just looking for a moment of sun and unfortunately bashing the GOP candidate doesn't help elect a Republican in the fall.</p>
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