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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;What would China do with say 250K starving refugees who crossed the border?&lt;/em&gt; 
Nothing pleasant, I&#039;m sure. But you&#039;re right in that no matter how it goes down, there will be a mass exodus of starving refugees as soon as the &quot;walls&quot; come down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What would China do with say 250K starving refugees who crossed the border?</em><br />
Nothing pleasant, I'm sure. But you're right in that no matter how it goes down, there will be a mass exodus of starving refugees as soon as the "walls" come down.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legion, 

I think China recognizes that no matter what happens, NK is going to &#039;spill out&#039; onto them. The DMZ has enough troops on each side to make it a pretty difficult place to cross if you are a starving refugee. That will put most of the pressure on the Chinese border. What would China do with say 250K starving refugees who crossed the border?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legion, </p>
<p>I think China recognizes that no matter what happens, NK is going to 'spill out' onto them. The DMZ has enough troops on each side to make it a pretty difficult place to cross if you are a starving refugee. That will put most of the pressure on the Chinese border. What would China do with say 250K starving refugees who crossed the border?</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don&#039;t credit the idea that the current NK regime will ever &quot;see the writing on the wall&quot; and voluntarily hand off. Violently or not, they&#039;ll have to be removed from power - the question is whether the resulting chaos can be kept within NK or if it will spill out messily into SK, China, or Japan. 

It took a mighty long time for the Romanians to kick out their dictator; ditto for the blacks in south Africa to punt Apartheid - while I hope the NK people can do it themselves, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s plausible anytime in the next decade or so.

But certainly, _anything_ that happens there has to have at least the tacit approval of the Chinese. This could be an opportunity to build a collegial relationship with China &amp; maybe avoid another USSR-style &quot;us vs. them&quot; cold war mentality...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don't credit the idea that the current NK regime will ever "see the writing on the wall" and voluntarily hand off. Violently or not, they'll have to be removed from power - the question is whether the resulting chaos can be kept within NK or if it will spill out messily into SK, China, or Japan. </p>
<p>It took a mighty long time for the Romanians to kick out their dictator; ditto for the blacks in south Africa to punt Apartheid - while I hope the NK people can do it themselves, I don't think it's plausible anytime in the next decade or so.</p>
<p>But certainly, _anything_ that happens there has to have at least the tacit approval of the Chinese. This could be an opportunity to build a collegial relationship with China &amp; maybe avoid another USSR-style "us vs. them" cold war mentality...</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are three gates of possibilities around a regime change in NK (I am assuming a gate of a serious attempt at regime change occurring). First, regime change does or does not succeed. If it doesn&#039;t succeed, it is unlikely to affect the status of NK nukes. 

If the regime change does succeed, the next gate is if nukes are launched during the struggle. This could be by orders of Kim, fanatics in the government, by accident, etc. A single Hiroshima nuke on Soul, Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Tokyo or Taipei would change the Asian dynamics for a generation. You can&#039;t discount the human response of turning over the table when faced with an unwinnable situation. 

The last gate would be if the government that replaces the regime would keep or destroy the nukes. I think that they would most likely destroy the nukes as a means of getting outside help to rebuild Korea. A puppet regime for China wouldn&#039;t need them. A south Korea merger (ala east and west Germany) would potentially like to keep them, but would be vulnerable to the economic dislocation of a Japanese and American sanction. If just these two countries refused to allow imports from Korea or of goods that contain parts from Korea, the Korean economy would go into a deep depression. As much as the south Korea government might like to have nukes because of it&#039;s &#039;tough neighborhood&#039;, they wouldn&#039;t pay that price. An independent north Korea regime change government would give up the nukes in a heartbeat as a small price to get US aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are three gates of possibilities around a regime change in NK (I am assuming a gate of a serious attempt at regime change occurring). First, regime change does or does not succeed. If it doesn't succeed, it is unlikely to affect the status of NK nukes. </p>
<p>If the regime change does succeed, the next gate is if nukes are launched during the struggle. This could be by orders of Kim, fanatics in the government, by accident, etc. A single Hiroshima nuke on Soul, Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Tokyo or Taipei would change the Asian dynamics for a generation. You can't discount the human response of turning over the table when faced with an unwinnable situation. </p>
<p>The last gate would be if the government that replaces the regime would keep or destroy the nukes. I think that they would most likely destroy the nukes as a means of getting outside help to rebuild Korea. A puppet regime for China wouldn't need them. A south Korea merger (ala east and west Germany) would potentially like to keep them, but would be vulnerable to the economic dislocation of a Japanese and American sanction. If just these two countries refused to allow imports from Korea or of goods that contain parts from Korea, the Korean economy would go into a deep depression. As much as the south Korea government might like to have nukes because of it's 'tough neighborhood', they wouldn't pay that price. An independent north Korea regime change government would give up the nukes in a heartbeat as a small price to get US aid.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;An Iraq-style invasion is all but off the table, President Bush’s strong talk notwithstanding, and really has been ever since it became evident in the run-up to the Iraq war that the DPRK had nuclear weapons.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is not the time for saying that Bush is weak on defense.  Any exposure of Bush&#039;s weakness will harden the resolve of the evil-doers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>An Iraq-style invasion is all but off the table, President Bush&rsquo;s strong talk notwithstanding, and really has been ever since it became evident in the run-up to the Iraq war that the DPRK had nuclear weapons.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is not the time for saying that Bush is weak on defense.  Any exposure of Bush's weakness will harden the resolve of the evil-doers.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I see no reason, however, for a coup to guarantee that the nuclear program would cease to be. Many of the logics for wanting the weapons would remain in place.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I believe the idea is that a pro-china communist party in North Korea would get the same protections from China that Japan and South Korea get from the US, so that North Korea wouldn&#039;t feel that it needed it&#039;s own nuclear weapons program for defense.  Also not having a batshit crazy megalomaniac in charge might help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I see no reason, however, for a coup to guarantee that the nuclear program would cease to be. Many of the logics for wanting the weapons would remain in place.</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe the idea is that a pro-china communist party in North Korea would get the same protections from China that Japan and South Korea get from the US, so that North Korea wouldn't feel that it needed it's own nuclear weapons program for defense.  Also not having a batshit crazy megalomaniac in charge might help.</p>
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		<title>By: Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Pyongyang&#039;s nukes: How dangerous are they?...&lt;/strong&gt;

North Korea&#039;s recent blast was tiny, but its commitment to nuclear weapons is long.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Pyongyang's nukes: How dangerous are they?...</strong></p>
<p>North Korea's recent blast was tiny, but its commitment to nuclear weapons is long.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If and when the Koreas unify, I don&#039;t see the North Korean nuclear going away, it will just become THE korean nuclear program.  The south knows it lives in a tough neighborhood, and its dislike of Japan and weariness about China will ensure its desire for a nuclear capability, especially if the US pulls out of the area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If and when the Koreas unify, I don't see the North Korean nuclear going away, it will just become THE korean nuclear program.  The south knows it lives in a tough neighborhood, and its dislike of Japan and weariness about China will ensure its desire for a nuclear capability, especially if the US pulls out of the area.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be difficult to imagine a regime worse than Kim&#039;s for either the US or the North&#039;s people.  Still, you&#039;re right that there&#039;s no guarantee that we&#039;ll get the type of coup leaders we&#039;d hope for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be difficult to imagine a regime worse than Kim's for either the US or the North's people.  Still, you're right that there's no guarantee that we'll get the type of coup leaders we'd hope for.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A coup would end Kim, to be sure.  And it &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; result in a better regime--depending on who gained power.  I see no reason, however, for a coup to guarantee that the nuclear program would cease to be.  Many of the logics for wanting the weapons would remain in place.  It would require that the new regime would be willing to let the outside in.  I am dubious on that count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A coup would end Kim, to be sure.  And it <i>might</i> result in a better regime--depending on who gained power.  I see no reason, however, for a coup to guarantee that the nuclear program would cease to be.  Many of the logics for wanting the weapons would remain in place.  It would require that the new regime would be willing to let the outside in.  I am dubious on that count.</p>
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