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		<title>By: Jim Rhoads</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/regulation_often_bad/comment-page-1/#comment-9615</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Rhoads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI:

What gives HOA&#039;s their clout is that membership in most is mandatory and not &quot;voluntary&quot;.  That is, most HOA&#039;s are created by a set of covenants running with the title to the home&#039;s lot. These covenants are filed in the land records of the county in which the lot is located, and are specifically referred to in the deed passing title to the new owner. To be enforceable, the covenants must describe, with reasonable specificity, the purposes of the HOA, the composition of its membership, and its powers.  Unfortunately, most people either don&#039;t read them, or don&#039;t understand their implications prior to taking title to property governed by them. Before buying a home in an HOA community, it is therefore a good idea to spend a few hundred bucks for consultation with an attorney who knows the &quot;ins and outs&quot; of such communities.</description>
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<p>What gives HOA's their clout is that membership in most is mandatory and not "voluntary".  That is, most HOA's are created by a set of covenants running with the title to the home's lot. These covenants are filed in the land records of the county in which the lot is located, and are specifically referred to in the deed passing title to the new owner. To be enforceable, the covenants must describe, with reasonable specificity, the purposes of the HOA, the composition of its membership, and its powers.  Unfortunately, most people either don't read them, or don't understand their implications prior to taking title to property governed by them. Before buying a home in an HOA community, it is therefore a good idea to spend a few hundred bucks for consultation with an attorney who knows the "ins and outs" of such communities.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/regulation_often_bad/comment-page-1/#comment-9616</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. Unfortunately, pretty much everyone is stuck with an HOA here.  And there&#039;s not time to do all the checking anyway--houses are typically sold the day they go on the market at or above the asking price.  Very much a seller&#039;s market here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. Unfortunately, pretty much everyone is stuck with an HOA here.  And there's not time to do all the checking anyway--houses are typically sold the day they go on the market at or above the asking price.  Very much a seller's market here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/regulation_often_bad/comment-page-1/#comment-9617</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just bought a townhouse last month in Northern Virginia.  I am now a member of the HOA.  Several interesting issues.  In VA HOAs do give you an easy out if you get cold feet.  The seller is responsible for giving you a set of the HOA guidelines and the buyer has 48 hours to accecpt them.  If he or she does not like them, they can terminate the sale with no loss of good faith money.
   Secondly, the best thing you can do about HOAs is to join the various boards and attend the meetings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just bought a townhouse last month in Northern Virginia.  I am now a member of the HOA.  Several interesting issues.  In VA HOAs do give you an easy out if you get cold feet.  The seller is responsible for giving you a set of the HOA guidelines and the buyer has 48 hours to accecpt them.  If he or she does not like them, they can terminate the sale with no loss of good faith money.<br />
   Secondly, the best thing you can do about HOAs is to join the various boards and attend the meetings.</p>
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		<title>By: CGHill</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/regulation_often_bad/comment-page-1/#comment-9618</link>
		<dc:creator>CGHill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in what the city calls an Urban Conservation District, which is basically an Historic District without all those pesky Historic Buildings cluttering up the place.  We have some rules set by city ordinance, but they&#039;re definitely not strict enough to outlaw Christmas lights or (some) lawn gnomes.  The local neighborhood association did push for this, and they tell me more than half the residents supported the establishment of the district, which is remarkable considering that membership is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; mandatory (and dues are a nominal ten bucks a year).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in what the city calls an Urban Conservation District, which is basically an Historic District without all those pesky Historic Buildings cluttering up the place.  We have some rules set by city ordinance, but they're definitely not strict enough to outlaw Christmas lights or (some) lawn gnomes.  The local neighborhood association did push for this, and they tell me more than half the residents supported the establishment of the district, which is remarkable considering that membership is <em>not</em> mandatory (and dues are a nominal ten bucks a year).</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/regulation_often_bad/comment-page-1/#comment-9619</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mine are $59 a month!  That does cover garbage and recycling pickup as well as common area maintenance, including snow removal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine are $59 a month!  That does cover garbage and recycling pickup as well as common area maintenance, including snow removal.</p>
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		<title>By: OF Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/regulation_often_bad/comment-page-1/#comment-9620</link>
		<dc:creator>OF Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, Doc. I was waiting on opinion to come in from other peeps before I ask the question that&#039;s really bugging me: WHY?!

In what&#039;s name is it that one gives up the right to choose a trash can, or patio furniture that you want for &lt;i&gt;your home&lt;/i&gt;, at least in the Columbia, MD case that I briefly alluded to. That dude&#039;s home was an apartment unit.

It just annoys me that a lot of it is more an aesthetic matter than it is one of safety or common decency. In my neighborhood we can only install in-ground pools and we have to have privacy fences for those. That makes sense. Restrictions on trash cans, patio furniture, and, though I grumbly admit, Winnie The Pooh blow-up dolls and windmills, don&#039;t, at least for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Doc. I was waiting on opinion to come in from other peeps before I ask the question that's really bugging me: WHY?!</p>
<p>In what's name is it that one gives up the right to choose a trash can, or patio furniture that you want for <i>your home</i>, at least in the Columbia, MD case that I briefly alluded to. That dude's home was an apartment unit.</p>
<p>It just annoys me that a lot of it is more an aesthetic matter than it is one of safety or common decency. In my neighborhood we can only install in-ground pools and we have to have privacy fences for those. That makes sense. Restrictions on trash cans, patio furniture, and, though I grumbly admit, Winnie The Pooh blow-up dolls and windmills, don't, at least for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Fredrik Nyman</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/regulation_often_bad/comment-page-1/#comment-9621</link>
		<dc:creator>Fredrik Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In theory, the HOA rules are for your own good as a homeowner.  The idea is to have rules to prevent undesirable behavior in the community, then enforce those rules.  

So what&#039;s undesirable behavior?  Generally, anything that brings the neighborhood in disrespute; the guy who doesn&#039;t mow his lawn, the guy who uses his yard as a salvage yard; the guy who runs a business from his home and has lots of customers coming by every day; the guy who rents out his 2-bedroom house to 20 mexican illegals; the guy who builds a monstruous, butt-ugly steel shed and put it in the back yard, and so on.  

And why is it undesirable?  Because it affects everyone else&#039;s property negatively for one reason or other -- lower property values, more traffic, neighborhood looking run-down, and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In theory, the HOA rules are for your own good as a homeowner.  The idea is to have rules to prevent undesirable behavior in the community, then enforce those rules.  </p>
<p>So what's undesirable behavior?  Generally, anything that brings the neighborhood in disrespute; the guy who doesn't mow his lawn, the guy who uses his yard as a salvage yard; the guy who runs a business from his home and has lots of customers coming by every day; the guy who rents out his 2-bedroom house to 20 mexican illegals; the guy who builds a monstruous, butt-ugly steel shed and put it in the back yard, and so on.  </p>
<p>And why is it undesirable?  Because it affects everyone else's property negatively for one reason or other -- lower property values, more traffic, neighborhood looking run-down, and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Drawing Dead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/regulation_often_bad/comment-page-1/#comment-9622</link>
		<dc:creator>Drawing Dead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Of Homeowner&#039;s Associations and Statuary&lt;/strong&gt;
Hey, cool. I finally found something to disagree with my esteemed colleague, One Fine Jay. Apparently, our friends over at Outside the Beltway also concur with Jay (not me, the other one). It seems as though some mealy-mouthed homeowner&#039;s association...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Of Homeowner's Associations and Statuary</strong><br />
Hey, cool. I finally found something to disagree with my esteemed colleague, One Fine Jay. Apparently, our friends over at Outside the Beltway also concur with Jay (not me, the other one). It seems as though some mealy-mouthed homeowner's association...</p>
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		<title>By: Drawing Dead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drawing Dead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Of Homeowner&#039;s Associations and Statuary&lt;/strong&gt;
Hey, cool. I finally found something to disagree with my esteemed colleague, One Fine Jay. Apparently, our friends over at Outside the Beltway also concur with Jay (not me, the other one). It seems as though some mealy-mouthed homeowner&#039;s association...

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Hey, cool. I finally found something to disagree with my esteemed colleague, One Fine Jay. Apparently, our friends over at Outside the Beltway also concur with Jay (not me, the other one). It seems as though some mealy-mouthed homeowner's association...</p>
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