George Harrison wrote "Taxman", not John Lennon. Also, Lennon wasn't a socialist. You're confusing him with Vladimir LENIN...

So, why is "imagine" regaded then as a an anthem of the world sociallist movement?

Dive in and read, Alex.

I stand corrected about Harrison, by the way, Yet, Lennon's involvement denotes a certain level of approval.

Harrison got some assistance in the lyrics from fellow Beatle John Lennon, who wrote a few one-liners on the song for him

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxman

George Harrison wrote "Taxman", not John Lennon. Also, Lennon wasn't a socialist. You're confusing him with Vladimir LENIN...

It ain't Robert Frost, Lord Alfred Tennyson, Shakespeare, etc.., but these guys never played in a rock band.

True. And irony time: The words were written by a dedicated socialist, John Lennon, who was pissed at the amount of money being confiscated by the British Government.

(Snicker) Funny how he didn't figure things out even then.

I have seen very little of that here on OTB; the most used tactic is simply to ignore your posts. So long as you are not banned, just keep on posting! There are those reading this site that you may influence.

The second most used tactic is to engage you in piecemeal debate; that is, to pick merely one aspect of your post to challenge, as though simply questioning that one statement invalidates your entire argument. This tactic is very common.

Thanks for the references; the Fair Tax site is now on my favorites list.

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But, more to the point, everyone, be they good citizens, super-rich, or be they gangsters, dope peddlers, or other deadbeats, are snared into paying federal taxes on their consumption, which would materially increase the effective tax base.

Does this mean that you endorse going after most of the member's of President Obama's cabinet?

Good God, a balanced budget is not that far away...

So, in the case of the Fair Tax, in effect citizens under the poverty level pay no federal taxes. But, more to the point, everyone, be they good citizens, super-rich, or be they gangsters, dope peddlers, or other deadbeats, are snared into paying federal taxes on their consumption, which would materially increase the effective tax base.

Everyone who buys things pays something to state and local governments because of sales taxes. Everyone who draws a paycheck pays into the federal Social Security “trust fund,” of course, but that’s at least theoretically a retirement fund rather than a contribution to the general welfare. Since we fund the federal government primarily through income taxes, we should ask even those of very modest income to pay something, even if it’s essentially a token amount.

Come on, getting back more than you pay, in FEDERAL INCOME TAXES on a permanent basis, is sucking off the productivity of responsible citizens.

I use tokens on the subway and bus routes.

A lot of you folks want to argue minutiae, as the five ton elephant in the room, sits in your lap, pisses in your face, lifts your wallet, and then strolls out of the room, and you feel convinced that this is for "the common good."
The only thing "common" was an over-bearing elephant.

Taxman!

'Cause I'm the taxman.
Yeah, I'm the taxman."

Written by: George Harrison.
Performed by: The Beatles.
Exemplified by: President Obama:
Dispised by: Nearly all productive Citizens.

It ain't Robert Frost, Lord Alfred Tennyson, Shakespeare, etc.., but these guys never played in a rock band.

A surge in unemployment benefits and the like is spending.

All other taxes would be eliminated by means of an amendment to the Constitution, especially the progressive income tax, Social Security, and Medicare. This Fairtax is supposed to be revenue neutral by definition. Since everyone that has registered receives a pretax "living wage," SS becomes unnecessary.

Seems fairer to me than the current progressive system, and it certainly requires that all citizens pay some tax through their yearly consumption. The wealthy would pay more as well as they consume more, perhaps even more tax than they pay now, since the consumption tax cannot be avoided.

That many citizens pay no tax, yet have the vote, is a prescription for ever-increasing levies on the well-to-do and the rich, and ever-decreasing levies on the rest, by popular demand. That is what is supposed to happen real soon now under Obama.

Changing out the income tax would be difficult for us, since the no-tax and dun-the-rich constituency is so strong.

We pay every tax levied. If you tax business, they add the tax to the price of their products. They also add licensing and regulatory testing fees. States send a good portion of the various taxes that they collect into the feds. There are federal taxes on gasoline. If Obama gets his carbon taxes with his budget, everyone will pay many times more in taxes than they received from the stimulus. Don't worry about people being taxed.

Why did Lincoln pick Andrew Johnson?
Representation without taxation
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Your original and Shays statement that social security and medicare is paid to people who have not paid taxes is completely misleading.

You are playing with words by claiming they did not pay an income tax and ignoring the point that they paid a payroll tax.

As long as conservatives/libertarians count on their audience being too stupid to not know the difference, how can you expect to be taken seriously by anyone who understands the silly games you are playing.