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		<title>By: floyd</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/republican_voters_uninspired_by_candidates_/comment-page-1/#comment-250248</link>
		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Triumph; 
 You really struck a chord! The people of Illinois have no voice in the national election.
 The very idea of a working representative convention is anathema to the bosses of either party.
 We had better start paying some attention to the &quot;man behind the curtain&quot; and make him &quot;the man behind bars&quot; before or franchise is completely gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Triumph;<br />
 You really struck a chord! The people of Illinois have no voice in the national election.<br />
 The very idea of a working representative convention is anathema to the bosses of either party.<br />
 We had better start paying some attention to the "man behind the curtain" and make him "the man behind bars" before or franchise is completely gone.</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think James&#039; analogy is the closest to the truth.  It is sort of like trying to choose what toppings to put on a pizza for a large group of people.

I am not enthused by any of the candidates, although in the end I still like all of them better than the democrats.  I am not convinced I am going to be overly enthused by the eventual candidate either.  I haven&#039;t even pinned down who I want to vote for in the primary, and that is just a few weeks away for me.

At this point I figure I will end up eating the pizza, but will probably spend a lot of time picking off the mushrooms and onion I didn&#039;t want, but everyone else did.

This is definitely going to be a hold my nose and vote year, I really wish we could have a &quot;none of the above&quot; option-that would actually mean something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think James' analogy is the closest to the truth.  It is sort of like trying to choose what toppings to put on a pizza for a large group of people.</p>
<p>I am not enthused by any of the candidates, although in the end I still like all of them better than the democrats.  I am not convinced I am going to be overly enthused by the eventual candidate either.  I haven't even pinned down who I want to vote for in the primary, and that is just a few weeks away for me.</p>
<p>At this point I figure I will end up eating the pizza, but will probably spend a lot of time picking off the mushrooms and onion I didn't want, but everyone else did.</p>
<p>This is definitely going to be a hold my nose and vote year, I really wish we could have a "none of the above" option-that would actually mean something.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The right seems to seriously overestimate the clinton-hatred factor.  They don&#039;t realize that while they may have a severe hatred of Hillary that this is not universally true by any means.  And in fact it seems that the more she is in the limelight the more her favorability grows, probably because the right has spent so much energy demonizing her that when people actually hear her they are pleasently surprised.

Consequently I strongly believe that the supposed anti-hillary vote will end up being a pretty weak force in the elections.  Enough surely to drive many of the hard right but with little or no pull on the creamy middle of the US electorate.

(FYI I do not favor another clinton presidency mostly because, contrary to the myths of the right, Hillary is *extremely* centrist as well as contuing our current fetish with dynastic presidencies)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The right seems to seriously overestimate the clinton-hatred factor.  They don't realize that while they may have a severe hatred of Hillary that this is not universally true by any means.  And in fact it seems that the more she is in the limelight the more her favorability grows, probably because the right has spent so much energy demonizing her that when people actually hear her they are pleasently surprised.</p>
<p>Consequently I strongly believe that the supposed anti-hillary vote will end up being a pretty weak force in the elections.  Enough surely to drive many of the hard right but with little or no pull on the creamy middle of the US electorate.</p>
<p>(FYI I do not favor another clinton presidency mostly because, contrary to the myths of the right, Hillary is *extremely* centrist as well as contuing our current fetish with dynastic presidencies)</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No candidate has yet caught fire with Republican voters, Adam Nagourney reports.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Nagourney is quite wrong - but optimistically so. It&#039;s not that no candidate has &#039;caught fire&#039;... several of the current big names have had periods of being considered the front-runner, the inevitable winner, etc. Remember a year or so ago? This nomination was supposed to be McCain&#039;s to lose. Then he lost it to Rudy. Then it was Fred&#039;s. Then, briefly, it was Romney&#039;s. 

The problem is that every single one of the GOP possibilities have so many character flaws or skeletons in their closets that they cannot withstand the open-lights inspection of being &#039;number one&#039;. Don&#039;t believe me? Take a good look at what&#039;s happening to Huckabee right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No candidate has yet caught fire with Republican voters, Adam Nagourney reports.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nagourney is quite wrong - but optimistically so. It's not that no candidate has 'caught fire'... several of the current big names have had periods of being considered the front-runner, the inevitable winner, etc. Remember a year or so ago? This nomination was supposed to be McCain's to lose. Then he lost it to Rudy. Then it was Fred's. Then, briefly, it was Romney's. </p>
<p>The problem is that every single one of the GOP possibilities have so many character flaws or skeletons in their closets that they cannot withstand the open-lights inspection of being 'number one'. Don't believe me? Take a good look at what's happening to Huckabee right now.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Man, I&#039;d KILL for some Hot Pockets! What an improvement that&#039;d be!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, isn&#039;t the Republican reality more like this?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Man:	You sit here, dear.	 
Wife:	All right.
Man:	Morning!
Waitress:	Morning!
Man:	Well, what&#039;ve you got?
Waitress:	Well, there&#039;s egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam;
Vikings:	Spam spam spam spam...
Waitress:	...spam spam spam egg and spam; spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam...
Vikings:	Spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam!
Waitress:	...or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam.
Wife:	Have you got anything without spam?
Waitress:	Well, there&#039;s spam egg sausage and spam, that&#039;s not got much spam in it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Man, I'd KILL for some Hot Pockets! What an improvement that'd be!</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, isn't the Republican reality more like this?</p>
<blockquote><p>Man:	You sit here, dear.<br />
Wife:	All right.<br />
Man:	Morning!<br />
Waitress:	Morning!<br />
Man:	Well, what've you got?<br />
Waitress:	Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam;<br />
Vikings:	Spam spam spam spam...<br />
Waitress:	...spam spam spam egg and spam; spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam...<br />
Vikings:	Spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam!<br />
Waitress:	...or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam.<br />
Wife:	Have you got anything without spam?<br />
Waitress:	Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s more like knowing that Hot Pockets are for dinner -- you just have to choose which flavor you&#039;ll be tasting for half a second before your mouth blisters and your tongue turns to rubber, preventing you from tasting any other food for the next four years.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Man, I&#039;d KILL for some Hot Pockets! What an improvement that&#039;d be!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It's more like knowing that Hot Pockets are for dinner -- you just have to choose which flavor you'll be tasting for half a second before your mouth blisters and your tongue turns to rubber, preventing you from tasting any other food for the next four years.</p></blockquote>
<p>Man, I'd KILL for some Hot Pockets! What an improvement that'd be!</p>
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		<title>By: cian</title>
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		<dc:creator>cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s more like knowing that Hot Pockets are for dinner -- you just have to choose which flavor you&#039;ll be tasting for half a second before your mouth blisters and your tongue turns to rubber, preventing you from tasting any other food for the next four years.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Its more like taking the three kids hopped up on sugar to the cinema and what do they want? More sugar. Hell, if it stops them screaming for five minutes, give it them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It's more like knowing that Hot Pockets are for dinner -- you just have to choose which flavor you'll be tasting for half a second before your mouth blisters and your tongue turns to rubber, preventing you from tasting any other food for the next four years.</p></blockquote>
<p>Its more like taking the three kids hopped up on sugar to the cinema and what do they want? More sugar. Hell, if it stops them screaming for five minutes, give it them!</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most important poll numbers are the &quot;willing to change their mind.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/11/us/politics/11poll.html?_r=2&amp;adxnnl=1&amp;oref=slogin&amp;ref=todayspaper&amp;adxnnlx=1197389739-++k7QvL+SecOjYXK/WtF4A&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;76% of Republicans, 59% of Democrats say they could still change their minds.&lt;/a&gt;

This isn&#039;t over. Feb 5th is going to be the key date on both sides of the aisle. After Feb 5th, we should have a good idea if it will be a brokered convention or if someone will get the needed votes to win directly. 

If it is a brokered convention, McCain and Rudy are unlikely to accept the VP slot. Not sure about Romney. My sense is that Thompson and Huckabee would both accept the VP nod. Given that, look for the combined totals to see who is likely to get the nod.

On the democratic side, it is more interesting. Conventional wisdom would have Obama happy with the VP nod. He&#039;s young enough to run on his own 4 or 8 years later. His more junior standing on experience would be supplemented with the VP slot. But I doubt he would take the VP slot under Clinton for a variety of reason. Richardson would probably jump at the VP slot, but is not likely to generate enough votes to matter in a brokered convention. Not sure on Edwards accepting the VP slot. If he doesn&#039;t get the top slot now, can he ever get it? I see no way that Clinton would take the number two position.

Of course for both sides, the &#039;super delegates&#039; are likely to be the real swing vote. They are awarded to the senior party officials (senators, governors, representatives, etc) and are by definition uncommitted by any primary/caucus. But they aren&#039;t like to move in large blocks in a smoke filled back room. They are likely to go one by one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most important poll numbers are the "willing to change their mind.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/11/us/politics/11poll.html?_r=2&amp;adxnnl=1&amp;oref=slogin&amp;ref=todayspaper&amp;adxnnlx=1197389739-++k7QvL+SecOjYXK/WtF4A" rel="nofollow">76% of Republicans, 59% of Democrats say they could still change their minds.</a></p>
<p>This isn't over. Feb 5th is going to be the key date on both sides of the aisle. After Feb 5th, we should have a good idea if it will be a brokered convention or if someone will get the needed votes to win directly. </p>
<p>If it is a brokered convention, McCain and Rudy are unlikely to accept the VP slot. Not sure about Romney. My sense is that Thompson and Huckabee would both accept the VP nod. Given that, look for the combined totals to see who is likely to get the nod.</p>
<p>On the democratic side, it is more interesting. Conventional wisdom would have Obama happy with the VP nod. He's young enough to run on his own 4 or 8 years later. His more junior standing on experience would be supplemented with the VP slot. But I doubt he would take the VP slot under Clinton for a variety of reason. Richardson would probably jump at the VP slot, but is not likely to generate enough votes to matter in a brokered convention. Not sure on Edwards accepting the VP slot. If he doesn't get the top slot now, can he ever get it? I see no way that Clinton would take the number two position.</p>
<p>Of course for both sides, the 'super delegates' are likely to be the real swing vote. They are awarded to the senior party officials (senators, governors, representatives, etc) and are by definition uncommitted by any primary/caucus. But they aren't like to move in large blocks in a smoke filled back room. They are likely to go one by one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate worth support.  Imagine a President who followed the Constitution.  It would be even more refreshing to have the Legislative and Judicial branches also follow the law.  
  What makes Dr. Paul so different is his voting record supports his rhetoric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate worth support.  Imagine a President who followed the Constitution.  It would be even more refreshing to have the Legislative and Judicial branches also follow the law.<br />
  What makes Dr. Paul so different is his voting record supports his rhetoric.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Jaquith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The pollsters have missed the point. This is the same as going to a good restaurant, studying the menu, and having difficulty deciding what to order. With so many good options to choose from, it&#039;s hard to make the decision sometimes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s more like knowing that Hot Pockets are for dinner -- you just have to choose which flavor you&#039;ll be tasting for half a second before your mouth blisters and your tongue turns to rubber, preventing you from tasting any other food for the next four years.

&quot;But I don&#039;t &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; Hot Pockets for dinner!&quot;

&quot;And which flavor Hot Pocket would you like?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The pollsters have missed the point. This is the same as going to a good restaurant, studying the menu, and having difficulty deciding what to order. With so many good options to choose from, it's hard to make the decision sometimes.</p></blockquote>
<p>It's more like knowing that Hot Pockets are for dinner -- you just have to choose which flavor you'll be tasting for half a second before your mouth blisters and your tongue turns to rubber, preventing you from tasting any other food for the next four years.</p>
<p>"But I don't <em>want</em> Hot Pockets for dinner!"</p>
<p>"And which flavor Hot Pocket would you like?"</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which may in fact be the strategy behnd the one person not pictured above... Fred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which may in fact be the strategy behnd the one person not pictured above... Fred.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Once a nominee emerges&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How about &lt;em&gt;if&lt;/em&gt; a nominee emerges.  It would not be inconceivable that we could have a REAL political convention next year where the actual nominee isn&#039;t decided upon until Minneapolis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Once a nominee emerges</p></blockquote>
<p>How about <em>if</em> a nominee emerges.  It would not be inconceivable that we could have a REAL political convention next year where the actual nominee isn't decided upon until Minneapolis.</p>
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		<title>By: Wizbang Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wizbang Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Are GOP voters uninspired by their choices for President in 2008?...&lt;/strong&gt;

A recent poll show republican voters haven&#039;t made a final decision as to who to support in next year&#039;s Republican primaries. Three weeks before the Iowa caucuses, Republicans voters across......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Are GOP voters uninspired by their choices for President in 2008?...</strong></p>
<p>A recent poll show republican voters haven't made a final decision as to who to support in next year's Republican primaries. Three weeks before the Iowa caucuses, Republicans voters across......</p>
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		<title>By: The Florida Masochist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Undecided or uninspired?</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Florida Masochist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Undecided or uninspired?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] each of the candidates also. Some more serious than others. I think James Joyner is right when he says. None of this is particularly surprising. Hillary Clinton has been the presumptive nominee since [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] each of the candidates also. Some more serious than others. I think James Joyner is right when he says. None of this is particularly surprising. Hillary Clinton has been the presumptive nominee since [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Voters of both parties  are  having difficulty on deciding whether to vote for a brand, an agenda, a resume, or  an individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voters of both parties  are  having difficulty on deciding whether to vote for a brand, an agenda, a resume, or  an individual.</p>
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