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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/riaa_sues_over_personal_use_copying/comment-page-1/#comment-260017</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Actually, we&#039;ve staked a lot of our economic future on it (foolishly in my opinion). Relatively few engineers in the U. S. design things any more. They create intellectual property for the companies that employ them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tell me about it.  I work for one of those engineering companies but my background is science and it drives me freakin nuts.  We patent stuff that doesn&#039;t work all the time because somebody else might make it work and then we can essentially extort them.  It&#039;s ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Actually, we've staked a lot of our economic future on it (foolishly in my opinion). Relatively few engineers in the U. S. design things any more. They create intellectual property for the companies that employ them.</p></blockquote>
<p>Tell me about it.  I work for one of those engineering companies but my background is science and it drives me freakin nuts.  We patent stuff that doesn't work all the time because somebody else might make it work and then we can essentially extort them.  It's ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A perfectly good illustration of my point. A CD reader and a CD writer in a PC are part of the “singular &#039;device&#039;” as surely as one CD reader or one hard drive is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The gray area isn&#039;t from the CD drive, but from the removable CD media itself.  Once the file exists on a medium that is not physically connected to the original device, and can be easily transfered and used on other, unrelated devices, it is not considered part of the original device&#039;s copy, but a separate copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A perfectly good illustration of my point. A CD reader and a CD writer in a PC are part of the “singular 'device'” as surely as one CD reader or one hard drive is.</p></blockquote>
<p>The gray area isn't from the CD drive, but from the removable CD media itself.  Once the file exists on a medium that is not physically connected to the original device, and can be easily transfered and used on other, unrelated devices, it is not considered part of the original device's copy, but a separate copy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/riaa_sues_over_personal_use_copying/comment-page-1/#comment-259977</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Traditionally the computer as a whole is treated as a singular &quot;device&quot;, such that copying from one part of the device to another doesn&#039;t constitute 2 separate copies.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
A perfectly good illustration of my point.  A CD reader and a CD writer in a PC are part of the &#147;singular &#039;device&#039;&#148; as surely as one CD reader or one hard drive is.

Or as surely as the reader in a CD player (a highly specialized computer system) is.</description>
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Traditionally the computer as a whole is treated as a singular "device", such that copying from one part of the device to another doesn't constitute 2 separate copies.
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<p>A perfectly good illustration of my point.  A CD reader and a CD writer in a PC are part of the &#8220;singular 'device'&#8221; as surely as one CD reader or one hard drive is.</p>
<p>Or as surely as the reader in a CD player (a highly specialized computer system) is.</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/riaa_sues_over_personal_use_copying/comment-page-1/#comment-259968</link>
		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be a death play by RIAA.  Get ripping of CDs outlawed so everyone will have to buy a new copy of the digital version they&#039;ll start selling?  Otherwise, there is no reason for people to buy the &quot;White Album&quot; again to go to MP3s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be a death play by RIAA.  Get ripping of CDs outlawed so everyone will have to buy a new copy of the digital version they'll start selling?  Otherwise, there is no reason for people to buy the "White Album" again to go to MP3s.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/riaa_sues_over_personal_use_copying/comment-page-1/#comment-259962</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
but there are way too many people making money off of IP for that to happen.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Actually, we&#039;ve staked a lot of our economic future on it (foolishly in my opinion).  Relatively few engineers in the U. S. design things any more.  They create intellectual property for the companies that employ them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
but there are way too many people making money off of IP for that to happen.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, we've staked a lot of our economic future on it (foolishly in my opinion).  Relatively few engineers in the U. S. design things any more.  They create intellectual property for the companies that employ them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/riaa_sues_over_personal_use_copying/comment-page-1/#comment-259961</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to believe that this insanity will prompt people to look beyond the RIAA and realize the whole concept of IP is just bad...

...but there are way too many people making money off of IP for that to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd like to believe that this insanity will prompt people to look beyond the RIAA and realize the whole concept of IP is just bad...</p>
<p>...but there are way too many people making money off of IP for that to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/riaa_sues_over_personal_use_copying/comment-page-1/#comment-259944</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,
    Traditionally the computer as a whole is treated as a singular &quot;device&quot;, such that copying from one part of the device to another doesn&#039;t constitute 2 separate copies.  This gets gray when you talk about CDs, flash drives, network storage or distributed virtualization.  Some software licenses actually try to account for these (especially virtualization).  In the end &quot;device&quot; is a nebulous description.

just me,
    The recording industry is starting to get it, with many offering DRM-free downloads, and EMI even rumored to be pulling out of the RIAA.  It would be fitting if the RIAA ceased to exist because it&#039;s member companies realized it was costing them more sales than it protected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />
    Traditionally the computer as a whole is treated as a singular "device", such that copying from one part of the device to another doesn't constitute 2 separate copies.  This gets gray when you talk about CDs, flash drives, network storage or distributed virtualization.  Some software licenses actually try to account for these (especially virtualization).  In the end "device" is a nebulous description.</p>
<p>just me,<br />
    The recording industry is starting to get it, with many offering DRM-free downloads, and EMI even rumored to be pulling out of the RIAA.  It would be fitting if the RIAA ceased to exist because it's member companies realized it was costing them more sales than it protected.</p>
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		<title>By: John Muraro</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/riaa_sues_over_personal_use_copying/comment-page-1/#comment-259929</link>
		<dc:creator>John Muraro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the RIAA truly believed this stupidity, they would&#039;ve (long ago) filed suit against Apple.  Given the extent to which Itunes automates and idiot-proofs the ripping process, under the &#039;no fair use&#039; theory Apple would clearly be an accessory-before-the-fact to untold millions of &quot;thefts&quot; annually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the RIAA truly believed this stupidity, they would've (long ago) filed suit against Apple.  Given the extent to which Itunes automates and idiot-proofs the ripping process, under the 'no fair use' theory Apple would clearly be an accessory-before-the-fact to untold millions of "thefts" annually.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/riaa_sues_over_personal_use_copying/comment-page-1/#comment-259924</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked Radley Balko&#039;s point (&lt;a href=&quot;http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/12/suing_hrc.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;via Yglesias&lt;/a&gt;) that Hillary Clinton says she listens to the Beatles on her iPod, and that the RIAA should therefore sue her if it has any consistency.

Me, I just wish they would sue her so I could see all the Republican candidates (and blog commenters) come out unanimously against personal-use copying of one&#039;s own CD&#039;s.  The Menckenesque spring in my step would last for days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked Radley Balko's point (<a href="http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/12/suing_hrc.php" rel="nofollow">via Yglesias</a>) that Hillary Clinton says she listens to the Beatles on her iPod, and that the RIAA should therefore sue her if it has any consistency.</p>
<p>Me, I just wish they would sue her so I could see all the Republican candidates (and blog commenters) come out unanimously against personal-use copying of one's own CD's.  The Menckenesque spring in my step would last for days.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/riaa_sues_over_personal_use_copying/comment-page-1/#comment-259907</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they&#039;re successful in this tactic, it will mostly demonstrate that judges (and legislators) are technologically illiterate.  On a conventional PC-type computer it&#039;s impossible to run any program without transcribing i.e. &lt;b&gt;copying&lt;/b&gt; it from the permanent store (hard drive, CD, DVD, USB drive, what have you) to the temporary store (RAM).  That&#039;s practically the definition of a Von Neumann computer.

Unless software license agreements are written very carefully with this in mind (I don&#039;t recall seeing any that were), that means that either the argument cited in the body of the post is nonsense, computer users are in violation of their license agreements simply by using their software as directed by its supplier, or different media will be treated differently under the law despite the fact that what&#039;s actually happening behind the scenes of their computers, CD players, and DVD players may be the same.

We are in serious need of a revision in copyright law starting with a repeal of the Copyright Act of 1999.  It was idiotic to start out with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they're successful in this tactic, it will mostly demonstrate that judges (and legislators) are technologically illiterate.  On a conventional PC-type computer it's impossible to run any program without transcribing i.e. <b>copying</b> it from the permanent store (hard drive, CD, DVD, USB drive, what have you) to the temporary store (RAM).  That's practically the definition of a Von Neumann computer.</p>
<p>Unless software license agreements are written very carefully with this in mind (I don't recall seeing any that were), that means that either the argument cited in the body of the post is nonsense, computer users are in violation of their license agreements simply by using their software as directed by its supplier, or different media will be treated differently under the law despite the fact that what's actually happening behind the scenes of their computers, CD players, and DVD players may be the same.</p>
<p>We are in serious need of a revision in copyright law starting with a repeal of the Copyright Act of 1999.  It was idiotic to start out with.</p>
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		<title>By: independent</title>
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		<dc:creator>independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say its time for me to boycott the RIAA, but I already started that years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say its time for me to boycott the RIAA, but I already started that years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The music industry needs to just realize that the sale of music has hit the MP3 age, and there isn&#039;t any way to stop it.  

People don&#039;t want to buy a CD for $15 with 13 songs they don&#039;t like to listen to 2 or 3 songs they do like, not when they can spend a couple of bucks or so, put it in their MP3&#039;s and/or burn it onto a CD with all songs they like.

The industry needs to get on board this train now, and advocate meaningful copyright law, if they don&#039;t it is going to leave the station without them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The music industry needs to just realize that the sale of music has hit the MP3 age, and there isn't any way to stop it.  </p>
<p>People don't want to buy a CD for $15 with 13 songs they don't like to listen to 2 or 3 songs they do like, not when they can spend a couple of bucks or so, put it in their MP3's and/or burn it onto a CD with all songs they like.</p>
<p>The industry needs to get on board this train now, and advocate meaningful copyright law, if they don't it is going to leave the station without them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 05:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;ll bet they can&#039;t figure out why people don&#039;t want to buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I'll bet they can't figure out why people don't want to buy.</p>
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