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		<title>By: GM Saves Some Money: It Fires Tiger Woods &#171; Jay Yarow</title>
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		<dc:creator>GM Saves Some Money: It Fires Tiger Woods &#171; Jay Yarow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Romney Changes Mind on Auto Bailout [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BizzyBlog &#187; Couldn&#8217;t Help But Comment &#8230;.. (112008, Morning)</title>
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		<dc:creator>BizzyBlog &#187; Couldn&#8217;t Help But Comment &#8230;.. (112008, Morning)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Further supporting his given nickname around here, Objectively Unfit Mitt Romney was for an auto-industry bailout during the GOP primaries, but now he&#8217;s against it (HT Outside the Beltway). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Further supporting his given nickname around here, Objectively Unfit Mitt Romney was for an auto-industry bailout during the GOP primaries, but now he&#8217;s against it (HT Outside the Beltway). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Joyner, with all due respect I believe you misunderstand Romney&#039;s January position. You imply from the NYT article you quote above that Romney supported a Washington &quot;bailout&quot; during the Michigan Republican primary. That is not true.

&lt;blockquote&gt;While saying he wasn’t proposing a bailout, Romney proposed a five-fold increase - to $20 billion - in federal funding for energy research, fuel technology, materials science, and automotive technology.
&lt;strong&gt;Detroit News, January 15th 2008&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;[Romney] offered proposals to ease mileage standards, to lighten automakers&#039; burdensome employee health care obligations and to &quot;make a fivefold increase — from $4 billion to $20 billion — in our national investment in energy research, fuel technology, materials science and automotive technology.&quot;
&lt;strong&gt;USA Today, January 16, 2008&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Gov. Romney has consistently supported active involvement from lawmakers in the American auto industry, but not a bailout. His most recent NYT op-ed reiterates his longstanding support for technology and energy research and a business restructure. Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Joyner, with all due respect I believe you misunderstand Romney's January position. You imply from the NYT article you quote above that Romney supported a Washington "bailout" during the Michigan Republican primary. That is not true.</p>
<blockquote><p>While saying he wasn&rsquo;t proposing a bailout, Romney proposed a five-fold increase - to $20 billion - in federal funding for energy research, fuel technology, materials science, and automotive technology.<br />
<strong>Detroit News, January 15th 2008</strong></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>[Romney] offered proposals to ease mileage standards, to lighten automakers' burdensome employee health care obligations and to "make a fivefold increase — from $4 billion to $20 billion — in our national investment in energy research, fuel technology, materials science and automotive technology."<br />
<strong>USA Today, January 16, 2008</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Gov. Romney has consistently supported active involvement from lawmakers in the American auto industry, but not a bailout. His most recent NYT op-ed reiterates his longstanding support for technology and energy research and a business restructure. Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does worker retraining work?  Or does it just make everybody feel better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does worker retraining work?  Or does it just make everybody feel better?</p>
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		<title>By: Fausta&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Flying the private jet to go begging</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fausta&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Flying the private jet to go begging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Romney changed his mind and now says Let Detroit Go [...]</description>
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		<title>By: FireWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>FireWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There&#039;s quite a difference between cash bailouts and job retraining for displaced workers. Romney could also call for government help without advocating a bailout such as we see now. Without more specific contradictory statements I don&#039;t think throwing stones is a good idea.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree with you Steve and I am surprised James that you would jump to conclusions like this. (Maybe I shouldn&#039;t be ;) )

At any rate, who gives a shit what Romney or any other politician says these days. All of them have lied (which shouldn&#039;t surprise any one here) and they have taken the John Q. Public taxpayer for a ride.

If you weren&#039;t pissed off at Washington before the election or bailout, you should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There's quite a difference between cash bailouts and job retraining for displaced workers. Romney could also call for government help without advocating a bailout such as we see now. Without more specific contradictory statements I don't think throwing stones is a good idea.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree with you Steve and I am surprised James that you would jump to conclusions like this. (Maybe I shouldn't be ;) )</p>
<p>At any rate, who gives a shit what Romney or any other politician says these days. All of them have lied (which shouldn't surprise any one here) and they have taken the John Q. Public taxpayer for a ride.</p>
<p>If you weren't pissed off at Washington before the election or bailout, you should be.</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
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		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not followed the Union/Industry negotiations closely, but I doubt whether the big three can come close to competing with the non union groups unless they go into chapter 11.  The loaded costs are just to high for normal negotiations to make a large enough difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not followed the Union/Industry negotiations closely, but I doubt whether the big three can come close to competing with the non union groups unless they go into chapter 11.  The loaded costs are just to high for normal negotiations to make a large enough difference.</p>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
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		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Pretty good reorganization where the workers are paid over double what the competition gets paid.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not to beat a dead horse but that won&#039;t be the case next year for both union and non-union types. The older higher paid salaried guys are all but gone. Any replacements are hired in with little benefits if any and substantially less pay. The &quot;cradle to grave&quot; are over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Pretty good reorganization where the workers are paid over double what the competition gets paid.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not to beat a dead horse but that won't be the case next year for both union and non-union types. The older higher paid salaried guys are all but gone. Any replacements are hired in with little benefits if any and substantially less pay. The "cradle to grave" are over.</p>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
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		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The UAW is atleast a large portion responsible for the mess the automakers are in. The head of the UAW was not willing to give a thing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While this is true it takes two to tango. GM, Ford and Chrysler made their beds with the UAW and are paying for it. It wasn&#039;t until recently that the automakers got the upper hand on the UAW in the last contracts. Like I said, should they survive into next year when the contract starts they will be on par with the Japanese in those costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The UAW is atleast a large portion responsible for the mess the automakers are in. The head of the UAW was not willing to give a thing.</p></blockquote>
<p>While this is true it takes two to tango. GM, Ford and Chrysler made their beds with the UAW and are paying for it. It wasn't until recently that the automakers got the upper hand on the UAW in the last contracts. Like I said, should they survive into next year when the contract starts they will be on par with the Japanese in those costs.</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
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		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Over the past year and a half or so they American automakers have reorganized, redone union contracts, cut fat, etc. They are poised to turn it around BUT not in the current climate however long that lasts&quot;

Pretty good reorganization where the workers are paid over double what the competition gets paid.  I also like the fact that, when the workers are lid off because of a downturn, their unemployment benefits equal their normal pay.  They bitch and moan of the hardship of having no overtime pay.

What must the taxpayers of the country be thinking about all this money being used to keep losers afloat.

It is indeed not surprising that most of the big three&#039;s major manufacturing plants are in Michigan.  Michigan&#039;s economy has been going downhill for years, even when the other states were improving. The Democratic governors response has always been to raise taxes.

No wonder she is on Obama&#039;s transition committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Over the past year and a half or so they American automakers have reorganized, redone union contracts, cut fat, etc. They are poised to turn it around BUT not in the current climate however long that lasts"</p>
<p>Pretty good reorganization where the workers are paid over double what the competition gets paid.  I also like the fact that, when the workers are lid off because of a downturn, their unemployment benefits equal their normal pay.  They bitch and moan of the hardship of having no overtime pay.</p>
<p>What must the taxpayers of the country be thinking about all this money being used to keep losers afloat.</p>
<p>It is indeed not surprising that most of the big three's major manufacturing plants are in Michigan.  Michigan's economy has been going downhill for years, even when the other states were improving. The Democratic governors response has always been to raise taxes.</p>
<p>No wonder she is on Obama's transition committee.</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UAW is atleast a large portion responsible for the mess the automakers are in.  The head of the UAW was not willing to give a thing.  Good.  Let the MFers go bankrupt just like anyother failed business.  Tax dollars will not fix what is wrong.  It costs too much in labor for car makers to develope new ideas.  $2600 per US car, 200 per Japanese car made here just for healthcare and retirement alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UAW is atleast a large portion responsible for the mess the automakers are in.  The head of the UAW was not willing to give a thing.  Good.  Let the MFers go bankrupt just like anyother failed business.  Tax dollars will not fix what is wrong.  It costs too much in labor for car makers to develope new ideas.  $2600 per US car, 200 per Japanese car made here just for healthcare and retirement alone.</p>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
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		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You mean, until people start buying Yukon Denalis, Hummers, and Escalades again?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, I mean until people start buying durable goods again, period. What you buy is up to you but people are not buying anything, foreign or domestic. Auto sales are down across the board. That said, they have plenty of lines that are small and midsized that get 30+ mpg. As for the vehicles you listed above, nobody put a gun to anyone&#039;s head to buy them and people did buy them in droves. Hell, Toyota just threw billions at their pickup truck line yet I don&#039;t hear anything about their management. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;I am pretty convinced that the auto industry needs to go bankrupt&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Were it any other economic period i&#039;d agree, but it isn&#039;t and if it were not for the current economic &quot;crisis&quot; we wouldn&#039;t be talking about it either. Nobody I know of sounded any warning bells. In hindsight it&#039;s apparent something was up with the Fed pumping liquidity into the banking system all summer but I don&#039;t recall anyone mapping this out. This is a unique situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You mean, until people start buying Yukon Denalis, Hummers, and Escalades again?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I mean until people start buying durable goods again, period. What you buy is up to you but people are not buying anything, foreign or domestic. Auto sales are down across the board. That said, they have plenty of lines that are small and midsized that get 30+ mpg. As for the vehicles you listed above, nobody put a gun to anyone's head to buy them and people did buy them in droves. Hell, Toyota just threw billions at their pickup truck line yet I don't hear anything about their management. </p>
<blockquote><p>I am pretty convinced that the auto industry needs to go bankrupt</p></blockquote>
<p>Were it any other economic period i'd agree, but it isn't and if it were not for the current economic "crisis" we wouldn't be talking about it either. Nobody I know of sounded any warning bells. In hindsight it's apparent something was up with the Fed pumping liquidity into the banking system all summer but I don't recall anyone mapping this out. This is a unique situation.</p>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
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		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How about some sort of &quot;guided bankruptcy&quot; with government-guaranteed loans to finance the restructuring?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I sure don&#039;t know all that that would entail. I would suspect if it was plausible that it would have already come up for debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How about some sort of "guided bankruptcy" with government-guaranteed loans to finance the restructuring?</p></blockquote>
<p>I sure don't know all that that would entail. I would suspect if it was plausible that it would have already come up for debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Almeida</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Almeida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They are poised to turn it around BUT not in the current climate however long that lasts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You mean, until people start buying Yukon Denalis, Hummers, and Escalades again?

I am pretty convinced that the auto industry needs to go bankrupt, but it is funny to see how quickly Republican politicians have rediscovered the free market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They are poised to turn it around BUT not in the current climate however long that lasts.</p></blockquote>
<p>You mean, until people start buying Yukon Denalis, Hummers, and Escalades again?</p>
<p>I am pretty convinced that the auto industry needs to go bankrupt, but it is funny to see how quickly Republican politicians have rediscovered the free market.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
How about some sort of &quot;guided bankruptcy&quot; with government-guaranteed loans to finance the restructuring?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah, that&#039;s what I&#039;ve been pitching over at my place for some time.  I think that both the critics of a bailout and its supporters are right:  Chapter 11 bankruptcy is the only solution for GM and it would have dire effects that could be counterbalanced by government guarantees.  It&#039;s not too big to let fail but it is too big let fail to encourage the others.</description>
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How about some sort of "guided bankruptcy" with government-guaranteed loans to finance the restructuring?
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<p>Yeah, that's what I've been pitching over at my place for some time.  I think that both the critics of a bailout and its supporters are right:  Chapter 11 bankruptcy is the only solution for GM and it would have dire effects that could be counterbalanced by government guarantees.  It's not too big to let fail but it is too big let fail to encourage the others.</p>
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