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	<title>Comments on: Ron Paul vs. Rudy Giuliani</title>
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		<title>By: Tim C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Rudy is now dead last by a big margin and there&#039;s no cash left to pay his campaign staff.

Any plans to update this article?

&quot;The fact remains&quot; that those weren&#039;t facts afterall, and so on and so forth. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Rudy is now dead last by a big margin and there's no cash left to pay his campaign staff.</p>
<p>Any plans to update this article?</p>
<p>"The fact remains" that those weren't facts afterall, and so on and so forth. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Timm Knibbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timm Knibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>News Corp, the parent company of Fox New, is a client of Bracewell and Giuliani. Given the fact that Dr. Paul and Mr. Giuliani do not get along I think this may be a factor in his exclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News Corp, the parent company of Fox New, is a client of Bracewell and Giuliani. Given the fact that Dr. Paul and Mr. Giuliani do not get along I think this may be a factor in his exclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 06:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giuiliani is going broke and he has no supporters. If he doesn&#039;t win FL, he&#039;ll be out of the race. And boy, I can&#039;t wait because I&#039;m sick and tired of looking at his smirking face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giuiliani is going broke and he has no supporters. If he doesn't win FL, he'll be out of the race. And boy, I can't wait because I'm sick and tired of looking at his smirking face.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If nothing else, campaign 2008 has provided one great gift- many on the right have openly admitted that Fox news is not &quot;Fair and balanced.&quot;  Granted they were speaking about FNC treatment of their particular candidate, but those admissions are now saved for all posterity on &quot;teh Interwebz.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If nothing else, campaign 2008 has provided one great gift- many on the right have openly admitted that Fox news is not "Fair and balanced."  Granted they were speaking about FNC treatment of their particular candidate, but those admissions are now saved for all posterity on "teh Interwebz."</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a libertarian.  I even had a Ron Paul bumpersticker in 1988.  I think it would do the country a lot of good to have a libertarian president, although many of the posts describing a Paul presidency (good or bad) seem to ignore that a Congress will have a lot to say about what happens.

But I&#039;m struck, when the &quot;horde&quot; descends, that many of the posts don&#039;t seem to be about liberty or fiscal responsibility, but instead, about stuff like this:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The reason that Ron Paul&#039;s supporters are so enthusiastic is because Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist, and many of us really want to turn America back into a Constitutional society. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now, no offense to Bill who is probably an upstanding citizen supporting Paul for all the right reasons, but in general I come away creeped out by much of this because it reminds me more of the kinds of codewords used by segregationists or the so-called Freemen.  It isn&#039;t like states have a better record than the federal government at protecting liberty.  The only reason they do better with money is because they can&#039;t print any.  Constitutionalism doesn&#039;t have any merit, or demerit, in and of itself, it is what you do with it (or what you choose not to do because of it).  Liberty is best preserved not by a weak central government, but by a strong government that uses that power responsibly and sparingly.  The argument against a strong government (federal or otherwise) isn&#039;t libertarian, it is anarchist.

So I remain kind of unclear on whether Ron Paul has proven that there is fertile ground for other libertarian candidates in the future (which I would find great), or whether his following is really about something else.  Some of both, I guess.  

When a lot of Paul supporters talk, I sort of get reminded of my high school days when a guy would talk about his new, first serious girlfriend.  Immediately after getting her pants off for the first time, the guy is certain that she is perfect for him and gets utterly crushed when (if he is lucky) she dumps him, when in fact a decade and many girlfriends later he could only laugh at how ridiculously unsuitable the match was.  Ron Paul is certainly better than many of the candidates, and brings a lot of badly needed fresh air into the stagnant and unimaginative party that the GOP has become, but he is also not a &quot;genius,&quot; or a Civil War expert, or even much of a libertarian on some issues.  This post has no conclusion because, unlike a lot of posts I see these days, I don&#039;t claim to have an answer for everything and in fact I pretty much distrust anyone who says they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm a libertarian.  I even had a Ron Paul bumpersticker in 1988.  I think it would do the country a lot of good to have a libertarian president, although many of the posts describing a Paul presidency (good or bad) seem to ignore that a Congress will have a lot to say about what happens.</p>
<p>But I'm struck, when the "horde" descends, that many of the posts don't seem to be about liberty or fiscal responsibility, but instead, about stuff like this:</p>
<blockquote><p>The reason that Ron Paul's supporters are so enthusiastic is because Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist, and many of us really want to turn America back into a Constitutional society. </p></blockquote>
<p>Now, no offense to Bill who is probably an upstanding citizen supporting Paul for all the right reasons, but in general I come away creeped out by much of this because it reminds me more of the kinds of codewords used by segregationists or the so-called Freemen.  It isn't like states have a better record than the federal government at protecting liberty.  The only reason they do better with money is because they can't print any.  Constitutionalism doesn't have any merit, or demerit, in and of itself, it is what you do with it (or what you choose not to do because of it).  Liberty is best preserved not by a weak central government, but by a strong government that uses that power responsibly and sparingly.  The argument against a strong government (federal or otherwise) isn't libertarian, it is anarchist.</p>
<p>So I remain kind of unclear on whether Ron Paul has proven that there is fertile ground for other libertarian candidates in the future (which I would find great), or whether his following is really about something else.  Some of both, I guess.  </p>
<p>When a lot of Paul supporters talk, I sort of get reminded of my high school days when a guy would talk about his new, first serious girlfriend.  Immediately after getting her pants off for the first time, the guy is certain that she is perfect for him and gets utterly crushed when (if he is lucky) she dumps him, when in fact a decade and many girlfriends later he could only laugh at how ridiculously unsuitable the match was.  Ron Paul is certainly better than many of the candidates, and brings a lot of badly needed fresh air into the stagnant and unimaginative party that the GOP has become, but he is also not a "genius," or a Civil War expert, or even much of a libertarian on some issues.  This post has no conclusion because, unlike a lot of posts I see these days, I don't claim to have an answer for everything and in fact I pretty much distrust anyone who says they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorin G. Page</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorin G. Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The page you cited noting that Giuliani has more cash on hand didn&#039;t take into account Dr. Paul&#039;s $20 million dollar fourth quarter fundraising haul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The page you cited noting that Giuliani has more cash on hand didn't take into account Dr. Paul's $20 million dollar fourth quarter fundraising haul.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul is &lt;a href=&quot;http://truthalert.net/Republican%20Presidential%20Candidate%20Rankings.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a &quot;top tier&quot;&lt;/a&gt; patriot. His conservatism is &lt;a href=&quot;http://truthalert.net/Green%20Libertarian%20Nationalism.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;legitimate and recognizable&lt;/a&gt; to those who versed in political philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul is <a href="http://truthalert.net/Republican%20Presidential%20Candidate%20Rankings.htm" rel="nofollow">a "top tier"</a> patriot. His conservatism is <a href="http://truthalert.net/Green%20Libertarian%20Nationalism.htm" rel="nofollow">legitimate and recognizable</a> to those who versed in political philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: James Cooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Cooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul still has a shot because it&#039;s becoming more and more likely that No GOP candidate will have the nomination on the first ballot.

For Paul to win, he needs to take a number of the California districts and win his home state of Texas. 

To do that, he needs to do a couple things. First, he needs to learn speak in &quot;sound bites,&quot; quick retorts to standard questions from the news media.

Second, he needs to spend some money to develop some new ads. One should note that he&#039;s a Candidate of change, but unlike other candidates of change who want BIG GOVERNMENT, he will bring about smaller government and more personal liberty. He also needs to note that where others talk about cutting taxes, he&#039;s the only with a PLAN on what to CUT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul still has a shot because it's becoming more and more likely that No GOP candidate will have the nomination on the first ballot.</p>
<p>For Paul to win, he needs to take a number of the California districts and win his home state of Texas. </p>
<p>To do that, he needs to do a couple things. First, he needs to learn speak in "sound bites," quick retorts to standard questions from the news media.</p>
<p>Second, he needs to spend some money to develop some new ads. One should note that he's a Candidate of change, but unlike other candidates of change who want BIG GOVERNMENT, he will bring about smaller government and more personal liberty. He also needs to note that where others talk about cutting taxes, he's the only with a PLAN on what to CUT.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Only if you&#039;re showing the contest only on local television. If the show&#039;s broadcast nationally, though, it makes sense to decide based on national numbers.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suppose it depends on whether it is &quot;the New Hampshire primary debate&quot; or &quot;a presidential candidate debate, which just happens to be before the New Hampshire primary.&quot;

I&#039;ve assumed it was more the former, but maybe that&#039;s not how they sold themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Only if you're showing the contest only on local television. If the show's broadcast nationally, though, it makes sense to decide based on national numbers.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I suppose it depends on whether it is "the New Hampshire primary debate" or "a presidential candidate debate, which just happens to be before the New Hampshire primary."</p>
<p>I've assumed it was more the former, but maybe that's not how they sold themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve grycel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve grycel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just bad reporting.  As a matter of fact, it is not reporting at all, it is just conjecture.  Why don&#039;t you let the political process play out as it should instead of promoting NeoCon retoric.  I&#039;m really glad that I have the opportunity to get the real news from the internet, instead of Neocon mouthpieces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just bad reporting.  As a matter of fact, it is not reporting at all, it is just conjecture.  Why don't you let the political process play out as it should instead of promoting NeoCon retoric.  I'm really glad that I have the opportunity to get the real news from the internet, instead of Neocon mouthpieces.</p>
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		<title>By: trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder why the Ron Paul supporters are so much more enthusiastic than the supporters of all of the other candidates.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bill Moore:  The reason that Ron Paul&#039;s supporters are so enthusiastic is because Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist, and many of us really want to turn America back into a Constitutional society.  It&#039;s the only way we will ever be Americans again.

We have lost so much, we have turned into a bunch of crazy people after 9/11.  I mean, if you guage the way our own government reacted to 9/11 - to take our freedoms, put the population under fear control... it&#039;s scary and almost as if the terrorists have won.  If we want any hope of not continuing down a path of meaningless wars and Constitution raping, then we need Ron Paul.

If we do not see someone like Ron Paul become president, then we will continue down this slippery slope and we will continue to fight phony wars and fight &quot;terrorism&quot; which is actually a tactic and not even an enemy. George Bush and his crazy looney neocon freakshow friends are RAPING our country, they are corporate America.

If Ron Paul became president he&#039;d clean house and give the power back to the people.  He would stop the phony wars and use those billions of dollars here at home to secure our border the way it should be.

BTW - by definition, Rudy Ghouliani IS IN FACT a terrorist.  he has built a campaign based on fear and threats, just like terrorists do.

GOD have mercy on all of us.  If there are more people like Bill Moore, then we are truly screwed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder why the Ron Paul supporters are so much more enthusiastic than the supporters of all of the other candidates.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bill Moore:  The reason that Ron Paul's supporters are so enthusiastic is because Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist, and many of us really want to turn America back into a Constitutional society.  It's the only way we will ever be Americans again.</p>
<p>We have lost so much, we have turned into a bunch of crazy people after 9/11.  I mean, if you guage the way our own government reacted to 9/11 - to take our freedoms, put the population under fear control... it's scary and almost as if the terrorists have won.  If we want any hope of not continuing down a path of meaningless wars and Constitution raping, then we need Ron Paul.</p>
<p>If we do not see someone like Ron Paul become president, then we will continue down this slippery slope and we will continue to fight phony wars and fight "terrorism" which is actually a tactic and not even an enemy. George Bush and his crazy looney neocon freakshow friends are RAPING our country, they are corporate America.</p>
<p>If Ron Paul became president he'd clean house and give the power back to the people.  He would stop the phony wars and use those billions of dollars here at home to secure our border the way it should be.</p>
<p>BTW - by definition, Rudy Ghouliani IS IN FACT a terrorist.  he has built a campaign based on fear and threats, just like terrorists do.</p>
<p>GOD have mercy on all of us.  If there are more people like Bill Moore, then we are truly screwed!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder why the Ron Paul supporters are so much more enthusiastic than the supporters of all of the other candidates.

Hmm, they must all just be crazy. That&#039;s always a good explanation when one doesn&#039;t want to think too hard about things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why the Ron Paul supporters are so much more enthusiastic than the supporters of all of the other candidates.</p>
<p>Hmm, they must all just be crazy. That's always a good explanation when one doesn't want to think too hard about things.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if Paul is so popular, why isn&#039;t he winning the primaries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if Paul is so popular, why isn't he winning the primaries?</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Paul’s only plausible road to the White House involves nuclear holocaust, invasion from outer space, or something else out of a science fiction movie.
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;ll hardly need to see science fiction to make a Ron Paul presidency real.  How about a dollar collapse?  Or a severe economic turn down?  Both are very real scenarios that we are facing here in the United States and Ron Paul is the only candidate realistically addressing those issues.  You think the guy that&#039;s been warning us about our coming economic hardships for 20 years might be the person people turn to when those economic hardships materialize?

The Comptroller General of the GAO is TOURING the country to warn us about these very real dangers because, as he says, he&#039;s &#039;given up&#039; on the politicians.  The fact that America&#039;s lead ACCOUNTANT feels compelled to start a tour should be telling us something here!  This country is in dire financial straits and Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that even realizes this, yet alone has any meaningful solutions for it.

Call me crazy, but I like running water and electricity...and eating.  You think it can&#039;t happen here?  History and Ron Paul will tell you otherwise...as will the Comptroller General, I might add.

Wake up!  Vote Ron Paul in 2008!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Paul&rsquo;s only plausible road to the White House involves nuclear holocaust, invasion from outer space, or something else out of a science fiction movie.<br />
</i></p></blockquote>
<p>You'll hardly need to see science fiction to make a Ron Paul presidency real.  How about a dollar collapse?  Or a severe economic turn down?  Both are very real scenarios that we are facing here in the United States and Ron Paul is the only candidate realistically addressing those issues.  You think the guy that's been warning us about our coming economic hardships for 20 years might be the person people turn to when those economic hardships materialize?</p>
<p>The Comptroller General of the GAO is TOURING the country to warn us about these very real dangers because, as he says, he's 'given up' on the politicians.  The fact that America's lead ACCOUNTANT feels compelled to start a tour should be telling us something here!  This country is in dire financial straits and Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that even realizes this, yet alone has any meaningful solutions for it.</p>
<p>Call me crazy, but I like running water and electricity...and eating.  You think it can't happen here?  History and Ron Paul will tell you otherwise...as will the Comptroller General, I might add.</p>
<p>Wake up!  Vote Ron Paul in 2008!</p>
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		<title>By: trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how can you compare Giuliani to Dr. Paul?  that&#039;s like comparing a used car salesman to a doctor.  it&#039;s absurd, Ron Paul is absolutely GENIUS and understands the problems that face this country.  his response to questions are always thoughrough and elaborative, not the same stupid answers that the other guys give.

also, please keep in mind that Ron Paul has been married to the same woman for years and has proven to be a moral, great person.  much unlike Ghouliani.

if you care about your personal rights, your freedom and privacy - Vote Ron Paul for 2008.  it&#039;s that simple.  love Dr. Paul, love the Constitution and live a great life.

Ron Paul 2008
http://www.drainweb.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how can you compare Giuliani to Dr. Paul?  that's like comparing a used car salesman to a doctor.  it's absurd, Ron Paul is absolutely GENIUS and understands the problems that face this country.  his response to questions are always thoughrough and elaborative, not the same stupid answers that the other guys give.</p>
<p>also, please keep in mind that Ron Paul has been married to the same woman for years and has proven to be a moral, great person.  much unlike Ghouliani.</p>
<p>if you care about your personal rights, your freedom and privacy - Vote Ron Paul for 2008.  it's that simple.  love Dr. Paul, love the Constitution and live a great life.</p>
<p>Ron Paul 2008<br />
<a href="http://www.drainweb.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.drainweb.com/</a></p>
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