I don't mind all the pious aspirations. I mean, I don't mind the vagueness. He's giving a general direction and a list of the issues that matter to him.

The problem I see is that fiscal discipline and tax cutting are in absolute contradiction. We can't afford another tax cut. All the rationalizing in the world about cutting spending doesn't change that fact, especially if he plans to use federal money for winning his nebulous and endless war.

Someone once said, "Our ideals are like the stars, we can't reach them but we set out course by them."

Our, not out. Sorry.

Excellent work, James. That sort of list may play well to the red-meat crowd, but it's so far beyond rational it makes me worry about Rudy's sanity. At best, he'll quickly find that such pointless puffery doesn't play well on the campaign trail (at least when you don't have the Secret Service vetting all your whistle-stop audiences).

As for the earlier comments, let me elaborate just one of Jame's worthy takedowns...

2. I will end illegal immigration, secure our borders, and identify every non-citizen in our nation.

OK, 'secure our borders' is subject to wildly differing interpretations, but those other two points? WTF? "END" illegal immigration? Not bloody likely. And identifying every non-citizen? Flatly impossible, Mr Mayor. I defy anyone to come up with a plausible, rational way to do either of those things outside of cribbing the plot from any of dozens of b-grade sci-fi movies. I know campaign promises are supposed to pie-in-the-sky, but to make such blatantly outlandish statements really worries me about his judgement.

James Joyner doesn't seem to understand the purpose of lists or bullet points, does he?

Here's a hint, James, they aren't intended to be fully fleshed out policy proposals.

You have to admit that it is funny to hear thrice married Rudy talk about his "commitment" to anything. Seems to me the guy actually has something of a problem with commitments.

Here's a hint, James, they aren't intended to be fully fleshed out policy proposals.

No, they're designed to be universally appealing without saying anything. I'm mostly just pointing that out.

In this particular case, though, at least a couple of the proposals strike me as downright dangerous even in the abstract.

Yep -

Pretty much missing the defend, justify, and explain aspect. But so much of politics is.

hln

I would say the most important of those goals is the last one. However, it does seem pretty ambitious if the other goals are to hunt for terrorists worldwide and stop illegal immigration. What America really needs to do in order to strengthen our reputation in the world and be a responsible member of the world economy is to lend our political and economic strength to the fight against global poverty. This is an issue that is vitally important in and of itself and which is also at the base of all the other issues we face, such as immigration and terrorism.

You asked what #1 is and I'll tell you, it's a reminder that "he was there on 9/11". I know that its early but Guiliani seems woefully short on details on pretty much everything. I really believe that he thinks that he can coast to the presidency based on being the mayor of a city struck on 9/11. And if any conservative buys his "strict constructionist" talking point, my guess is that you are going to be severally disappointed.

Worse than the vagueness is that most of his "policies" are manifestly things the President does not control. Unless Guiliani intends to "revise" the separation of powers a bit more.

Rudy:
6. I will lead America towards energy independence.

James:
I’m for that.

I used to be too - it sounds good. But lately I'm not so sure.

Is it even remotely realistic?

Wouldn't it lead towards isolationism? Burning more coal?

Wouldn't it lead towards isolationism? Burning more coal?

Depends on the 'how.' More nuclear energy for home heating and alternative fuels (hydrogen?) for cars could be feasible. And, certainly, more drilling in places like Alaska and offshore. But those aren't popular.

He forgot the part about promoting evil throughout the world!

Re #11, the Supreme Court has already decided that some school choice programs, in which the parents have the decision where to use the funding associated with the child, are Constitutional. So, no, the courts won't strike that down, unless the people who write the bill don't bother to read the Supreme Court decision ahead of time to make sure it is properly done.

No, they're designed to be universally appealing without saying anything. I'm mostly just pointing that out.

Politician says things that are designed to be universally appealling. That's noteworthy?

A good skewering of a politician is always welcome. Being cynical I assumed they were all general platitudes that would be adjusted according to political circumstances. With these commitments we begin to see what a Giuliani administration would look like. As James notices there could be some significant problems.

Re: health care
> I’m confused. Is this going to be
> done by the government or the free
> market?

The free market is failing to provide health care for everyone--there are many people in this country who are unable to purchase health insurance at any price, due to prior existing medical conditions. This is why the government must step in.

> Anyway, I’ve already got plenty of
> control and access.

Maybe you do, but about 46 million Americans do not -- one-sixth of the country. This is a massive problem, and Guiliani doesn't seem to have much interest in addressing it. Which is why he will not get my vote, regardless of his positions on the other issues.

The only purpose for these useless "commitments" is to make people think "commandments". I'm surprised he didn't just do 10.

No doubt these will be held to the same standards that the GOP held "The Contract with America". IOW....none at all.

You ask the two critical questions:
"Is it Constitutional?"
"Have you ever heard of Federalism?"

For Rudy, the answer to both questions is a resounding "no!"

They are even posting a brick touting the 12 Commitments on the famous http://www.rudywall.com

Wow, that is strong!!

Giuliani's 12 Commitments translated from vague politician-speak to plain English (I would like to point out before starting that in no way does any of this constitute a personal or ad hominem attack on Mr. Giuliani whatsoever, I am simply pointing out the principles behind this document and will not comment on the man himself):

1. I will bomb Iran back to the stone age after I annihilate Iraq with nukes.

2. I will terrorize all people darker than pink in the name of ending illegal immigration and fighting terrorism while actually doing absolutely nothing to even slow either.

3. Your taxes will only go to defense spending and my major corporate backers from now on.

4. More tax cuts for the rich.

5. I will rid Washington of my political enemies. Krystalnacht for liberals.

6. Iran is ours.

7. I will disregard this commitment once I'm elected.

8. I have telekinesis and can move things with my mind.

9. Don't worry James Dobson, I'll do whatever you tell me, I'm your man.

10. I will ensure that every community in America is so scared of being attacked by vaguely-defined, unreasoning terrorists that they are willing to give up every constitutional right they have ever had.

11. I will further de-fund public schools that have already been so hopelessly de-funded that they make an easy target for people who say public schools don't work.

12. I will bomb Iran.

I believe you are a bit caustic toward Mr. Giuliani. Not quite sure of the audience demographic, but if this was for the grazing herd of voters in America, he is speaking to individuals who function at an approximate tenth grade reading level for the most part. (Though I heard it through the grapevine that Paris Hilton is reading WSJ in jail. smile) This is indeed a bullet format: Quick on the draw, a definable target and bulls-eye, easy to remember.

This is not the speech which would be given to policy advisors or members of Congress. I believe you were a bit hard on the man.

Tammy Swofford

This is not the speech which would be given to policy advisors or members of Congress. I believe you were a bit hard on the man.

No doubt. Still, I'm getting tired of platitudes about solving complex problems. Further, many of his goals strike me as contradictory.

A month ago, Giuliani would have been they guy I picked if forced to choose between the candidates. I liked his CPAC rollout, for example. But his glib answers on terrorism and immigration, in particular, worry me.

One of the things I liked about Giuliani is that he's a pragmatist who has a record of actually making things work. Setting unreasonable goals -- or goals whose achievement requires trampling our liberty -- goes against that.

Cause Wilson's 14 point plan was such a stroke of success. I will rely on the same great statement, "God himself only gave us ten"

And yes commitments and commandments are two totally different things but are close enough to bring the other to mind. If they wanted to avoid the commandments problem they could have called them a contract or promise or blood oath.

Politician says things that are designed to be universally appealling. That's noteworthy?

No, but the utter transparency and irrationality of his promises here is at a whole new level.

I really believe that he thinks that he can coast to the presidency based on being the mayor of a city struck on 9/11.

For the love of God, please tell me Marion Barry has no chance of becoming President!

"I will...identify every non-citizen in our nation."

JJ: "How on earth would you do that?"

He would sign up Fred Malek, Nixon's Jew counter.

Rudy=Gun Grabber. End of story.

Now how about some analysis on the promises of the chicken-in-every-pot crowd?

>> 6. I will lead America towards energy independence.
> I’m for that. How would you achieve it? What will it cost?

Forget what it will cost, what will it gain? Even if the US manages to do with zero oil and gas imports, I known, insane, but bear with me!, what will this gain?

The rest of the world, especially China, India, will still happily import from rulers that, regardless of the level of democratic legitimacy, call the US president names. An because of the global free oil market everyone in the US will still pay the same price as everyone else.

Don`t think for a second that that enron energy trading kid you heard joking about the "f##ed" grandma in California will think for a second about exporting energy from the US to somewhere where the economy is booming and where they known how to appreciate some "fresh" hydrocarbons.

Though its always nice to hear a GOPer claim the free market isn`t the answer, even if its on a subject where I cant think of a better alternative.

So any trouble near pipelines, shipping routes and what remains of the wells would still mess up the US economy, even with zero imports. Though every American car driving voter can feel great cause:
A. its not their dollars going to the nasty/badly washed russians/arabs/persians/aziris and
B. they got to vote for the the guy (no doubt) who was bashing Arabs the most. This always gives a safe and fuzzy warm "us vs them" feeling.

Okay so maybe I should mention the cost. The biggest energy lever that "just works" is reducing consumption. The easy way of doing that? just taxing gas more. Even Ron Paul agrees this is the honest thing to do.

But thats the lever that works, one can always just trust our kids will one day come up with new technology or solutions to the downside of current alternatives instead.

Or you can work with china to get the energy together and reduce the staggering rise in consumption. And for every couple of efficient energy consuming products (cars, dryers) you buy in the US, china will produce one for the internal market as well.

Also do I have to point out the unfortunate choice of the word "commitment" from the Giuliani campaign.... Seriously, "Giuliani" & "commitment"? Are they afraid late night comedy will run out of Bush jokes before more than the world runs out of cheap oil?

You hit right on the head LJD, and how about the same analysis on the donkey hoof in every pocket crowd?

I thought "Bellevue" would be the first on the list of Rudy's commitments.

Gee, you might think Iraq would make the top 12. But Rudy is running far and fast from that GOP screw-up, whilke refusing to talk about it and trash the bushies.

Hypocritical jerk.

he's definitely got my vote in 08. republicans FTW.

The term Commitment as used is a good word. It projects a strong value and has a deeper meaning than goals or objectives.
I do think it was smart for Rudy Giuliani to release a comprehensive plan, because he is not getting the base support he needs.

It will be interesting to see if Rudy can break into the Republican Party!

I think that Rudy Giuliani is not thinking right if he wants to pass an abortion law. That is not a great way to get citizens to vote for him especially democrats.