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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/rummaging_through_underage_girls_panties/comment-page-1/#comment-1032661</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What&#039;s truly amazing is that the people upset by the lower court&#039;s opinion and the S. Ct. Justice&#039;s comments want . . .

Judges to issue warrants for this type of search.
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Wouldn&#039;t that be the right way to handle it?  I mean if you really had solid probable cause then you have three choices:
1) do nothing
2) do something likely unlawful or at least icky
3) follow the procedures

If a judge signs off on the idea I &#039;m a lot more comfortable with it... unless Scalia was the judge in question, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What's truly amazing is that the people upset by the lower court's opinion and the S. Ct. Justice's comments want . . .</p>
<p>Judges to issue warrants for this type of search.
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<p>Wouldn't that be the right way to handle it?  I mean if you really had solid probable cause then you have three choices:<br />
1) do nothing<br />
2) do something likely unlawful or at least icky<br />
3) follow the procedures</p>
<p>If a judge signs off on the idea I 'm a lot more comfortable with it... unless Scalia was the judge in question, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/rummaging_through_underage_girls_panties/comment-page-1/#comment-1031779</link>
		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice California law currently provides:

&lt;blockquote&gt;No school employee shall conduct a search that involves:
   (a) Conducting a body cavity search of a pupil manually or with an instrument.
   (b) Removing or arranging any or all of the clothing of a pupil to permit a visual inspection of the underclothing, breast, buttocks, or genitalia of the pupil.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is that so hard to write?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice California law currently provides:</p>
<blockquote><p>No school employee shall conduct a search that involves:<br />
   (a) Conducting a body cavity search of a pupil manually or with an instrument.<br />
   (b) Removing or arranging any or all of the clothing of a pupil to permit a visual inspection of the underclothing, breast, buttocks, or genitalia of the pupil.</p></blockquote>
<p>Is that so hard to write?</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/rummaging_through_underage_girls_panties/comment-page-1/#comment-1031677</link>
		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s truly amazing is that the people upset by the lower court&#039;s opinion and the S. Ct. Justice&#039;s comments want . . .

Judges to issue warrants for this type of search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What's truly amazing is that the people upset by the lower court's opinion and the S. Ct. Justice's comments want . . .</p>
<p>Judges to issue warrants for this type of search.</p>
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		<title>By: hcantrall</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/rummaging_through_underage_girls_panties/comment-page-1/#comment-1031637</link>
		<dc:creator>hcantrall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, Anjin..there should be an edit button here =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, Anjin..there should be an edit button here =)</p>
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		<title>By: hcantrall</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/rummaging_through_underage_girls_panties/comment-page-1/#comment-1031635</link>
		<dc:creator>hcantrall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the first time ever, I agree with Angin. I would have never allowed that to happen to me, I would have demanded they call my parents.  I&#039;m reasonbly sure that my son would not submit to this either.  It is scary to think that our children would not stand up for themselves when something as inappropriate as this situation occurs. 

I really hope Scalia was being sarcastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the first time ever, I agree with Angin. I would have never allowed that to happen to me, I would have demanded they call my parents.  I'm reasonbly sure that my son would not submit to this either.  It is scary to think that our children would not stand up for themselves when something as inappropriate as this situation occurs. </p>
<p>I really hope Scalia was being sarcastic.</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I am curious about whether Scalia&#039;s comments were sarcasm as well.  I have heard him speak-I wouldn&#039;t be shocked to learn that it was sarcasm, and you can&#039;t show tone of voice and body language in a transcript.

I am also curious as to just how many school students have died or been seriously harmed by taking ibuprofen.  I think one question that should be answered is level of risk, when determining if a search of underpants is acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I am curious about whether Scalia's comments were sarcasm as well.  I have heard him speak-I wouldn't be shocked to learn that it was sarcasm, and you can't show tone of voice and body language in a transcript.</p>
<p>I am also curious as to just how many school students have died or been seriously harmed by taking ibuprofen.  I think one question that should be answered is level of risk, when determining if a search of underpants is acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“You search in the student’s pack, you search the student’s outer garments, and you have a reasonable suspicion that the student has drugs,” he said. “Don’t you have, after conducting all these other searches, a reasonable suspicion that she has drugs in her underpants?”

“You’ve searched everywhere else,” Justice Scalia said. “By God, the drugs must be in her underpants.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What&#039;s amazing is not that Scalia is routinely so thoroughly asinine, but that being such a douche bag he still managed to become a supreme court justice and is looked up to by no small number of people on the right.

Antonin &quot;By God, the drugs must be in her underpants&quot; Scalia, ladies and gentelmen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“You search in the student&rsquo;s pack, you search the student&rsquo;s outer garments, and you have a reasonable suspicion that the student has drugs,” he said. “Don&rsquo;t you have, after conducting all these other searches, a reasonable suspicion that she has drugs in her underpants?”</p>
<p>“You&rsquo;ve searched everywhere else,” Justice Scalia said. “By God, the drugs must be in her underpants.”</p></blockquote>
<p>What's amazing is not that Scalia is routinely so thoroughly asinine, but that being such a douche bag he still managed to become a supreme court justice and is looked up to by no small number of people on the right.</p>
<p>Antonin "By God, the drugs must be in her underpants" Scalia, ladies and gentelmen.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“My thought process,” Justice Souter said, “is I would rather have the kid embarrassed by a strip search, if we can’t find anything short of that, than to have some other kids dead because the stuff is distributed at lunchtime and things go awry.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe we had best strip search every kid, every day. After all, its better than perhaps missing something that might lead to a tragedy.

Hey, if we are going to move towards being a police state, why not start training people how to submit while they are still young and impressionable.?  One of many things I find troubling about this is that the young lady in question did not resist the search with physical violence, which is sure as hell what i would have done if a school official had tried to get my pants off for any reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“My thought process,” Justice Souter said, “is I would rather have the kid embarrassed by a strip search, if we can&rsquo;t find anything short of that, than to have some other kids dead because the stuff is distributed at lunchtime and things go awry.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe we had best strip search every kid, every day. After all, its better than perhaps missing something that might lead to a tragedy.</p>
<p>Hey, if we are going to move towards being a police state, why not start training people how to submit while they are still young and impressionable.?  One of many things I find troubling about this is that the young lady in question did not resist the search with physical violence, which is sure as hell what i would have done if a school official had tried to get my pants off for any reason.</p>
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		<title>By: lunacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lunacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point being made here--

&quot;Are you implying that homosexuals are automatically attracted to same-sex minors?&quot;

--is that asking same gendered school personnel to conduct the search is no guarantee that there isn&#039;t lascivious motivation or misconduct; not that any sexual preference increases that likelihood, only that it increases the possibility to 100% of the school personnel population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point being made here--</p>
<p>"Are you implying that homosexuals are automatically attracted to same-sex minors?"</p>
<p>--is that asking same gendered school personnel to conduct the search is no guarantee that there isn't lascivious motivation or misconduct; not that any sexual preference increases that likelihood, only that it increases the possibility to 100% of the school personnel population.</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Who is approved to conduct these searches? You are not allowed to ask if the same-sex teacher or administrator is homosexual so how do you determine which school official can conduct the search without it being sexually charged to the searcher?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you implying that homosexuals are automatically attracted to same-sex minors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Who is approved to conduct these searches? You are not allowed to ask if the same-sex teacher or administrator is homosexual so how do you determine which school official can conduct the search without it being sexually charged to the searcher?</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you implying that homosexuals are automatically attracted to same-sex minors?</p>
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		<title>By: lunacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lunacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know because I wasn&#039;t there and haven&#039;t read the transcript, but is it possible that this is sarcasm?


&quot;“You’ve searched everywhere else,” Justice Scalia said. “By God, the drugs must be in her underpants.”&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't know because I wasn't there and haven't read the transcript, but is it possible that this is sarcasm?</p>
<p>"“You&rsquo;ve searched everywhere else,” Justice Scalia said. “By God, the drugs must be in her underpants.”"</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;While zero tolerance policies are in general stupid, I&#039;m curious where you get the notion that court second-guessing is the cause of those policies. My opinion is that the primary motivation is fear of lawsuits from negligence.&lt;/em&gt;

I agree with this.  I think, at least when it comes to things like ibuprofen or other OTC medications in possession of students it is more the fear that a child will have a reaction and sue the district than a fear that the student has a drug.  

I am also not overly bothered, if there is reasonable suspicion having school officials search a backpack or have a student empty their pockets, but I think anything beyond that should involve a parent being present and if the concern is for an OTC med, you give up the search after the backpack and emptied pockets turn up nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>While zero tolerance policies are in general stupid, I'm curious where you get the notion that court second-guessing is the cause of those policies. My opinion is that the primary motivation is fear of lawsuits from negligence.</em></p>
<p>I agree with this.  I think, at least when it comes to things like ibuprofen or other OTC medications in possession of students it is more the fear that a child will have a reaction and sue the district than a fear that the student has a drug.  </p>
<p>I am also not overly bothered, if there is reasonable suspicion having school officials search a backpack or have a student empty their pockets, but I think anything beyond that should involve a parent being present and if the concern is for an OTC med, you give up the search after the backpack and emptied pockets turn up nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay so no crime but really does the violation of a school rule justify abusing a child?  Tell me that a 13 yr old girl being forced to display her body with no way to challenge it at a place she is required to be by law isn&#039;t abuse.  These school officials are abuser even if their abuse was unintentional.  There appears to be no consideration of the impact of the search on the child&#039;s emotional and mental health.  What happened was some petty officials with power abused this girl for challenging their authority.  She was in the same position as an innocent person who is illegally searched, since they have no contraband, they have no recourse under the 4th amendment as there would be no prosecution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay so no crime but really does the violation of a school rule justify abusing a child?  Tell me that a 13 yr old girl being forced to display her body with no way to challenge it at a place she is required to be by law isn't abuse.  These school officials are abuser even if their abuse was unintentional.  There appears to be no consideration of the impact of the search on the child's emotional and mental health.  What happened was some petty officials with power abused this girl for challenging their authority.  She was in the same position as an innocent person who is illegally searched, since they have no contraband, they have no recourse under the 4th amendment as there would be no prosecution.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay enough of the google comments.  Try googling this site please. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&amp;hl=en&amp;rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS319&amp;q=obama+site%3Aoutsidethebeltway.com&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It wont bring up much&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay enough of the google comments.  Try googling this site please. <a href="http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&#038;hl=en&#038;rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS319&#038;q=obama+site%3Aoutsidethebeltway.com&#038;aq=f&#038;oq=" rel="nofollow">It wont bring up much</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And here I was thinking that titling a post &quot;Carrie Prejean bikini pics&quot; was the nadir of shameless Google-keyword exploitation. I tip my hat to you, Dr. Joyner. No wonder you&#039;r making $75,000 a year!&lt;/blockquote&gt;Maybe you would like to propose beating him with a baseball bat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And here I was thinking that titling a post "Carrie Prejean bikini pics" was the nadir of shameless Google-keyword exploitation. I tip my hat to you, Dr. Joyner. No wonder you'r making $75,000 a year!</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe you would like to propose beating him with a baseball bat?</p>
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