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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Democrats arenât the ones being indicted under charges stemming from using dirty politics like Tom Delay and Lewis Libby.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s because the ones directly involved in the Democrats&#039; dirty tricks have already been convicted and sentenced.

Since the things they were doing &lt;i&gt;really were dirty tricks,&lt;/i&gt; it didn&#039;t require a two-year-long wheel-spinning independent counsel investigation to come up with a single indictment having no direct bearing on the reason for the investigation, nor a grand-jury-shopping Democrat DA trying to indict a man for breaking a law that didn&#039;t exist at the time of the alleged act.

No, in the case of the Democrat dirty tricksters, it only took presenting the evidence to a trial jury and letting justice run its course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Democrats arenât the ones being indicted under charges stemming from using dirty politics like Tom Delay and Lewis Libby.</p></blockquote>
<p>That's because the ones directly involved in the Democrats' dirty tricks have already been convicted and sentenced.</p>
<p>Since the things they were doing <i>really were dirty tricks,</i> it didn't require a two-year-long wheel-spinning independent counsel investigation to come up with a single indictment having no direct bearing on the reason for the investigation, nor a grand-jury-shopping Democrat DA trying to indict a man for breaking a law that didn't exist at the time of the alleged act.</p>
<p>No, in the case of the Democrat dirty tricksters, it only took presenting the evidence to a trial jury and letting justice run its course.</p>
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		<title>By: Reporter for Doody</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/rumsfeld_bans_word_insurgents/comment-page-1/#comment-66405</link>
		<dc:creator>Reporter for Doody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has always been apparent. When the Iraqis choose a new government in December the definition will become specific. 

Insurgents will become &quot;illegal immigrants from neigboring countries&quot; &quot;political malcontents&quot; &quot;enemies of Iraq&quot; &quot;terrorists&quot; &quot;criminals&quot; &quot;revolutionists&quot; &quot;war lords&quot; and &quot;militant occupiers&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has always been apparent. When the Iraqis choose a new government in December the definition will become specific. </p>
<p>Insurgents will become "illegal immigrants from neigboring countries" "political malcontents" "enemies of Iraq" "terrorists" "criminals" "revolutionists" "war lords" and "militant occupiers"</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/rumsfeld_bans_word_insurgents/comment-page-1/#comment-66400</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve invaded and occupied their country, it only makes sense that there is a rebellion.  If they did it to us, they&#039;d have a rebellion on their hands as well.  We&#039;ve changed what we want to change by removing Saddam and their WMD capability, now the only thing left to do is exit.  Unless, of course, we wanted their oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We've invaded and occupied their country, it only makes sense that there is a rebellion.  If they did it to us, they'd have a rebellion on their hands as well.  We've changed what we want to change by removing Saddam and their WMD capability, now the only thing left to do is exit.  Unless, of course, we wanted their oil.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Democrats have to use dirty politics&quot;

The Democrats aren&#039;t the ones being indicted under charges stemming from using dirty politics like Tom Delay and Lewis Libby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The Democrats have to use dirty politics"</p>
<p>The Democrats aren't the ones being indicted under charges stemming from using dirty politics like Tom Delay and Lewis Libby.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like the puppet government set up by Republicans in the &quot;fake&quot; elections in 2000 and 2004...  ...The Democrats have to use dirty politics , because they are not powerful enough to use conventional means...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like the puppet government set up by Republicans in the "fake" elections in 2000 and 2004...  ...The Democrats have to use dirty politics , because they are not powerful enough to use conventional means...</p>
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		<title>By: One Hand Clapping &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why use one word when six will do?</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Hand Clapping &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why use one word when six will do?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of &#8220;enemies of the legitimate Iraqi government.&#8221;Ah, that adds clarity.     &#160; [link]     Posted @ 12:54 pm. Filed under Humor and satire, DOD      Comments policy Commenting isprovided as a courtesy only. I review all comments before they appear. I do not edit comments, I I only approve or delete. My criteria for approving or deleting generally correspond to the following guidelines but in the end are subjective.  Comments using profanity automatically get tossed into the bit bucket - I never see them and neither does anyone else.  No personal attacks, name calling or commercial commenting. Links to your own blog site or relevant other web pages are fine. Please be brief and relevant to the post. I rarely answer comments, I just don&#039;t have the time. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of &#8220;enemies of the legitimate Iraqi government.&#8221;Ah, that adds clarity.       [link]     Posted @ 12:54 pm. Filed under Humor and satire, DOD      Comments policy Commenting isprovided as a courtesy only. I review all comments before they appear. I do not edit comments, I I only approve or delete. My criteria for approving or deleting generally correspond to the following guidelines but in the end are subjective.  Comments using profanity automatically get tossed into the bit bucket - I never see them and neither does anyone else.  No personal attacks, name calling or commercial commenting. Links to your own blog site or relevant other web pages are fine. Please be brief and relevant to the post. I rarely answer comments, I just don't have the time. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t call this Iraqi govt any more elected than Saddam&#039;s govt (who also ran fake elections showing himself as winner).  It&#039;s a puppet govt installed by US armed forced in a process overseen and manipulated to have exactly what they wanted.  I would also agree that insurgents isn&#039;t exactly the word to use, however it is neutral.  I would strongly disagree with &quot;enemies of the Iraqi govt&quot;.  I would call it more of a rebellion against the US and US loyalists.  The enemy are rebels against our American empire.  They have to use guerilla warfare and terrorist actions, because they are not powerful enough to use conventional means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn't call this Iraqi govt any more elected than Saddam's govt (who also ran fake elections showing himself as winner).  It's a puppet govt installed by US armed forced in a process overseen and manipulated to have exactly what they wanted.  I would also agree that insurgents isn't exactly the word to use, however it is neutral.  I would strongly disagree with "enemies of the Iraqi govt".  I would call it more of a rebellion against the US and US loyalists.  The enemy are rebels against our American empire.  They have to use guerilla warfare and terrorist actions, because they are not powerful enough to use conventional means.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/rumsfeld_bans_word_insurgents/comment-page-1/#comment-66379</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>odo:  No, I agree that there is both an insurgency underway that uses terrorism as part of its tactic, I just think there&#039;s also a significant terrorist-only element that is doing most of the killing and that does not fit the traditional definition of &quot;insurgent.&quot;

I agree, too, on the Michael Moore thing and have said so.  Unfortunately, it&#039;s an outgrowth of the seemingly permanent campaign mode that both sides are in.  That&#039;s particularly problematic in the context of a war.

Finally, while I chide Rumsfeld on this to a large degree, I understand where he&#039;s coming from.  The fight to control the language of the debate is quite important, especially in a counter-insurgency operation.  He&#039;s going too far in saying there&#039;s no insurgency but he&#039;s right that it&#039;s a label that doesn&#039;t fit Zarqawi and Co.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>odo:  No, I agree that there is both an insurgency underway that uses terrorism as part of its tactic, I just think there's also a significant terrorist-only element that is doing most of the killing and that does not fit the traditional definition of "insurgent."</p>
<p>I agree, too, on the Michael Moore thing and have said so.  Unfortunately, it's an outgrowth of the seemingly permanent campaign mode that both sides are in.  That's particularly problematic in the context of a war.</p>
<p>Finally, while I chide Rumsfeld on this to a large degree, I understand where he's coming from.  The fight to control the language of the debate is quite important, especially in a counter-insurgency operation.  He's going too far in saying there's no insurgency but he's right that it's a label that doesn't fit Zarqawi and Co.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you saying &quot;guerilla warfareâ has ceased, and that &quot;terrorism&quot; targeting civilians is the only activity?

Of course not, because then US casualties would fall to zero.

The &quot;D students&quot; thing is my frustration at the level of debate.  Like banning a freaking word ... or calling someone a &quot;Michael Moore&quot; as the Whitehouse press secretary did ... how, just infantile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you saying "guerilla warfareâ has ceased, and that "terrorism" targeting civilians is the only activity?</p>
<p>Of course not, because then US casualties would fall to zero.</p>
<p>The "D students" thing is my frustration at the level of debate.  Like banning a freaking word ... or calling someone a "Michael Moore" as the Whitehouse press secretary did ... how, just infantile.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>odo:  I would argue that the nature of the struggle has changed substantially since I wrote those words in June 2004.  Notably, there is now an elected Iraqi government.

And who, exactly, are the &quot;D students&quot; in question? Bush was a mediocre undergrad, to be sure, although he did manage to get a Harvard MBA.  Cheney and Rumsfeld, though, were brilliant students.  To say nothing of Rice, whose intellectual accomplishments are rather impressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>odo:  I would argue that the nature of the struggle has changed substantially since I wrote those words in June 2004.  Notably, there is now an elected Iraqi government.</p>
<p>And who, exactly, are the "D students" in question? Bush was a mediocre undergrad, to be sure, although he did manage to get a Harvard MBA.  Cheney and Rumsfeld, though, were brilliant students.  To say nothing of Rice, whose intellectual accomplishments are rather impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said it yourself &quot;These particular insurgencts are using guerilla warfare and terrorism as part of their campaign.&quot;

A rational person can distinguish between &quot;guerilla warfare&quot; and &quot;terrorism&quot; as components of &quot;insurgency.&quot;

A rational person can also experience some frustration when a fragement is used to describe the whole.

Of course, this president and his core supporters are all about &quot;revenge of the D students&quot; and such logical â¢Ã²â¬Ãistency is not really part of the game plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said it yourself "These particular insurgencts are using guerilla warfare and terrorism as part of their campaign."</p>
<p>A rational person can distinguish between "guerilla warfare" and "terrorism" as components of "insurgency."</p>
<p>A rational person can also experience some frustration when a fragement is used to describe the whole.</p>
<p>Of course, this president and his core supporters are all about "revenge of the D students" and such logical â¢Ã²â¬Ãistency is not really part of the game plan.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was wrong with the term &quot;dead-ender&quot;?

There&#039;s no better way to allude to the future of those who blow up innocent civilians for no better reason than creating instability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was wrong with the term "dead-ender"?</p>
<p>There's no better way to allude to the future of those who blow up innocent civilians for no better reason than creating instability.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Outpost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conservative Outpost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Christian Coalition Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Coalition Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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