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		<title>By: Washington Post: Cowardly? deceptive? both? &#171; Later On</title>
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		<dc:creator>Washington Post: Cowardly? deceptive? both? &#171; Later On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The President&#8217;s admission of lying was so glaring that even Byron York immediately described it as such (as did other conservatives such as James Joyner). So what are the consequences, the implications, the fallout? So far, virtually nothing, and the behavior of The Washington Post shows why that is the case: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The President&#8217;s admission of lying was so glaring that even Byron York immediately described it as such (as did other conservatives such as James Joyner). So what are the consequences, the implications, the fallout? So far, virtually nothing, and the behavior of The Washington Post shows why that is the case: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Divided We Stand United We Fall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Divided We Stand United We Fall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Election Epilogue - Prognostication Scorecard - Tsunami Flotsam...&lt;/strong&gt;

There are actually a number of predictions here:
    * Rumsfeld ws politically radioactive and would be fired/resign (HIT).
    * It would happen within two weeks (MISS - It took two months).
    * Republicans could not maintain a majority with Rums...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Election Epilogue - Prognostication Scorecard - Tsunami Flotsam...</strong></p>
<p>There are actually a number of predictions here:<br />
    * Rumsfeld ws politically radioactive and would be fired/resign (HIT).<br />
    * It would happen within two weeks (MISS - It took two months).<br />
    * Republicans could not maintain a majority with Rums...</p>
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		<title>By: PoliBlog &#8482;: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; Huh?!? (SecDef Santorum Edition)</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoliBlog &#8482;: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; Huh?!? (SecDef Santorum Edition)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 02:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I rarely read The Corner, and I note evidence as to why that might be a good idea from Dan Drezner (via James Joyner), as last night Kathryn Jean Lopez wrote: Now that it&#8217;s past midnight, I begin my Santorum for SecDef campaign. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I rarely read The Corner, and I note evidence as to why that might be a good idea from Dan Drezner (via James Joyner), as last night Kathryn Jean Lopez wrote: Now that it&#8217;s past midnight, I begin my Santorum for SecDef campaign. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 23:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;In the mean time I would like to here of a war where mistakes were not made. It seems harsh to judge Rumsfeld with a standard not achieved in history.&lt;/em&gt; 

&quot;There you go again,&quot; as someone once said.

No one is criticizing Rumsfeld for &quot;making mistakes,&quot; but rather, for making senseless, unnecessary mistakes &amp; then failing to learn from them.  When the looting of Baghdad occurred &amp; Rumsfeld shrugged it off, that was the first unmistakable indication that our war was in the hands of a pure fool.  Things got worse from there.

But quite seriously, pick up &lt;i&gt;Fiasco&lt;/i&gt;, if you really want to get some idea of Rumsfeld&#039;s awfulness.  (&lt;i&gt;State of Denial&lt;/i&gt; is said to be good in that respect as well, but I&#039;ve not read it, &amp; Ricks doesn&#039;t have Woodward&#039;s baggage.)  The book is especially important for understanding where we&#039;ve been in Iraq, so that we can see what options we have left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>In the mean time I would like to here of a war where mistakes were not made. It seems harsh to judge Rumsfeld with a standard not achieved in history.</em> </p>
<p>"There you go again," as someone once said.</p>
<p>No one is criticizing Rumsfeld for "making mistakes," but rather, for making senseless, unnecessary mistakes &amp; then failing to learn from them.  When the looting of Baghdad occurred &amp; Rumsfeld shrugged it off, that was the first unmistakable indication that our war was in the hands of a pure fool.  Things got worse from there.</p>
<p>But quite seriously, pick up <i>Fiasco</i>, if you really want to get some idea of Rumsfeld's awfulness.  (<i>State of Denial</i> is said to be good in that respect as well, but I've not read it, &amp; Ricks doesn't have Woodward's baggage.)  The book is especially important for understanding where we've been in Iraq, so that we can see what options we have left.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Plunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Plunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson,

Apology accepted.

I would like to think a person could come here to learn as much as debate.  That is certainly why I come here.  I make no illusions that I will convert anyone to conservatism with what I post.  I post to merely show that a different point of view is out there.

I don&#039;t choose when to be less informed for the convenience of my posts.  Your reference to Google doesn&#039;t tell me anything but insinuates that I am less than honest.  Please expand and explain if you would.

In the mean time I would like to here of a war where mistakes were not made.  It seems harsh to judge Rumsfeld with a standard not achieved in history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson,</p>
<p>Apology accepted.</p>
<p>I would like to think a person could come here to learn as much as debate.  That is certainly why I come here.  I make no illusions that I will convert anyone to conservatism with what I post.  I post to merely show that a different point of view is out there.</p>
<p>I don't choose when to be less informed for the convenience of my posts.  Your reference to Google doesn't tell me anything but insinuates that I am less than honest.  Please expand and explain if you would.</p>
<p>In the mean time I would like to here of a war where mistakes were not made.  It seems harsh to judge Rumsfeld with a standard not achieved in history.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plunk:  &quot;How rude of you to suggest I wasn&#039;t listening or paying attention, when as a matter of fact I&#039;m a busy guy without the time to listen or pay attention!&quot;

Like I said.

Not that you don&#039;t act well-informed enough when it suits you, as Google handily reveals.

In Nov. 2006, to wander up and spout stale talking points -- &quot;war is tricky! can&#039;t foresee everything!&quot; -- is, well, Rumsfeldian.

Nevertheless, apologies for my impatience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plunk:  "How rude of you to suggest I wasn't listening or paying attention, when as a matter of fact I'm a busy guy without the time to listen or pay attention!"</p>
<p>Like I said.</p>
<p>Not that you don't act well-informed enough when it suits you, as Google handily reveals.</p>
<p>In Nov. 2006, to wander up and spout stale talking points -- "war is tricky! can't foresee everything!" -- is, well, Rumsfeldian.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, apologies for my impatience.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;What was needed was not massive numbers of “boots on the ground”&lt;/em&gt;

Must disagree.  The massive numbers *were* needed, &lt;i&gt;for the immediate post-victory interval&lt;/i&gt;, until we&#039;d put new sheriffs in charge of the army &amp; police.  

*Then* it would be time, as JJ correctly says, to get the massive numbers out of Iraq.

A small CI force would&#039;ve been worse than useless the week Baghdad fell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What was needed was not massive numbers of “boots on the ground”</em></p>
<p>Must disagree.  The massive numbers *were* needed, <i>for the immediate post-victory interval</i>, until we'd put new sheriffs in charge of the army &amp; police.  </p>
<p>*Then* it would be time, as JJ correctly says, to get the massive numbers out of Iraq.</p>
<p>A small CI force would've been worse than useless the week Baghdad fell.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Plunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Plunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Anderson.  I like to be insulted when asking a genuine question.  Guys like you need to grow up and act like an adult.  I&#039;ve listened to your nonsense for a long time and granted you civil responses or no response at all.

For the record I am not a political junkie and have work to do every day keeping my business in the black and employing 30 people.  Call me old fashioned but my priorities are family, business, then the community which would include politics.

This is actually the second time you have insulted me personally which reinforces my opinion that those with nothing of value to say try to bully others.

From now on you get the same respect you give everyone else, none.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Anderson.  I like to be insulted when asking a genuine question.  Guys like you need to grow up and act like an adult.  I've listened to your nonsense for a long time and granted you civil responses or no response at all.</p>
<p>For the record I am not a political junkie and have work to do every day keeping my business in the black and employing 30 people.  Call me old fashioned but my priorities are family, business, then the community which would include politics.</p>
<p>This is actually the second time you have insulted me personally which reinforces my opinion that those with nothing of value to say try to bully others.</p>
<p>From now on you get the same respect you give everyone else, none.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>legion:  The irony is that Shinseki was much more wrong on this than Rummy.  What was needed was not massive numbers of &quot;boots on the ground&quot; but a very small footprint of capable counterinsurgency trainers.  More Green Berets, civil affairs, MPs, and the like, yes.  More regular infantry? No so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>legion:  The irony is that Shinseki was much more wrong on this than Rummy.  What was needed was not massive numbers of "boots on the ground" but a very small footprint of capable counterinsurgency trainers.  More Green Berets, civil affairs, MPs, and the like, yes.  More regular infantry? No so much.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I honestly didn&#039;t see this coming. Not like this, anyway. Y&#039;know, when they couldn&#039;t find a single 3- or 4-star general in the entire US Army willing or competent to take the job of Chief of Staff, they wound up bringing Schoomaker out of retirement to do the job. 

I wonder if they&#039;ll bring Shinseki back, now that he&#039;s been essentially proven correct, and Rummy&#039;s gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I honestly didn't see this coming. Not like this, anyway. Y'know, when they couldn't find a single 3- or 4-star general in the entire US Army willing or competent to take the job of Chief of Staff, they wound up bringing Schoomaker out of retirement to do the job. </p>
<p>I wonder if they'll bring Shinseki back, now that he's been essentially proven correct, and Rummy's gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Rumsfeld was specifically charged with winning the war in Iraq. He did not accomplish that.&lt;/em&gt; 

Shorter Plunk:  &quot;No, &lt;i&gt;besides&lt;/i&gt; that.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Rumsfeld was specifically charged with winning the war in Iraq. He did not accomplish that.</em> </p>
<p>Shorter Plunk:  "No, <i>besides</i> that."</p>
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		<title>By: Pug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Would someone please explain to me, with specifics, what Sec. Rumsfeld has done wrong.&lt;/i&gt;

Rumsfeld was specifically charged with winning the war in Iraq.  He did not accomplish that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Would someone please explain to me, with specifics, what Sec. Rumsfeld has done wrong.</i></p>
<p>Rumsfeld was specifically charged with winning the war in Iraq.  He did not accomplish that.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Triumph: 

Probably. Still, doing it immediately before an election might have drawn legitimate charges of politicizing the war. 

If he was going to make the change, why not weeks ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Triumph: </p>
<p>Probably. Still, doing it immediately before an election might have drawn legitimate charges of politicizing the war. </p>
<p>If he was going to make the change, why not weeks ago?</p>
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		<title>By: Pajamas Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pajamas Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;RUMSFELD RESIGNS...&lt;/strong&gt;

[Latest News on Top] Reactions &quot;The worst performance I’ve ever seen&quot; says James Joyner of the Bush presser. &quot;[I]t comes across eerily similar to the Saturday Night Live parodies of Bush speeches.&quot; (OTB) Austin Bay analyzes the Rumsfeld&#039;s exit a...</description>
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<p>[Latest News on Top] Reactions "The worst performance I&rsquo;ve ever seen" says James Joyner of the Bush presser. "[I]t comes across eerily similar to the Saturday Night Live parodies of Bush speeches." (OTB) Austin Bay analyzes the Rumsfeld's exit a...</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He makes a fair point that one doesn’t want to send the signal that he’s making major tactical decisions for political reasons. Still, the war in Iraq is the most significant public policy issue of the Bush administration.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But isn&#039;t dumping Rummy after losing both houses of Congress being done primarily for political reasons?

The fact that Bush admitted lying to reporters about the issue suggests that if the election had gone the other way, he wouldn&#039;t have sacked Rumsfeld.

It is very weird logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He makes a fair point that one doesn&rsquo;t want to send the signal that he&rsquo;s making major tactical decisions for political reasons. Still, the war in Iraq is the most significant public policy issue of the Bush administration.</p></blockquote>
<p>But isn't dumping Rummy after losing both houses of Congress being done primarily for political reasons?</p>
<p>The fact that Bush admitted lying to reporters about the issue suggests that if the election had gone the other way, he wouldn't have sacked Rumsfeld.</p>
<p>It is very weird logic.</p>
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