Likely you idiots have no experience in the military, or are so caught up in your MoveOn haze that you have no F-ing idea what our men and women in uniform are thinking.

It's useless... when these people throw that "if-you-like-this-war-so-much-then-why-don't-you-go-over-there" crap. Because when you tell them that you HAVE served, and you HAVE been over there, they switch gears on you and start insulting your service, calling you a brain-washed lemming, blindly following unlawful orders.

So you can't win that argument with them. You're either a chicken-sh-- or a chicken-hawk. Even after dumping all over you and denigrating your service, they of course still insist how truly "patriotic" they are, and how much they "support the troops."

Likely you idiots have no experience in the military, or are so caught up in your MoveOn haze that you have no F-ing idea what our men and women in uniform are thinking. Save us all a lot of trouble- martyr your self for your cause.

Your half-witted fearless leader got us into this thing even after a true American hero, Colin Powell, warned him what would happen. Even his Daddy’s National Security Advisor
Brent Scowcroft, warned him that this was folly. But, junior knew better than these men of accomplishment and experience. Now he is suffering the consequences and, unfortunately, so are the brave men and women of our armed forces.

Jason has a very good point even if it was not delivered with the queens English. Mcghee if you don’t believe that it’s all that bad why don’t you go over to the Sandbox and find out first hand for yourself. Hey, the bush twins don’t seem like they’ll be signing up anytime soon. Rest assured when the Draft comes back they’ll utilize their family connections and get a cushy assignment out the line of fire like Daddy did. Hopefully, they’ll be able to finish out the duration and be able keep their noses out of the bag unlike your “GODLY” fearless leader.

I don’t think an honest assessment of the conditions in Iraq today quite match that description.

I didn't see any "world's greatest quagmire" predictions. Things could indeed have gone worse. House-to-house fighting in Baghdad, or sarin gas. Our troops fought splendidly, and Saddam's folded.

But there was a fundamental problem from the start, namely, that people seldom appreciate having their countries invaded. There was plenty of reason to think this rule would apply in Iraq, given the cultural issues, the oil, etc.

Yet we went in with way too few troops for the real job (occupation) and with a plan based on (1) cheering masses and (2) funneling megabucks to non-Iraqi "civilian reconstruction outfits" that it appears will turn out to've been Treasury transfers to major Republican donors.

Done right, the invasion would still have been a bad idea (b/c there were no WMD's and we had better things to do), but would have had a few perks. As it is, we've kicked the top off the anthill, created a mess, and have tied up the better part of our available forces for the indefinite future. This cannot seem to anyone, Repub or Dem, wingnut or moonbat, a good thing.

I have always thought a 1 or 2 or even 5 year plan was unrealistic. Shoot it has been almost 6 years since Kosovo ended, and they still don't have a functioning government (and their civil services are also spotty-granted the UN took over that one, so that may explain a lot).

I don't think it isunrealistic to think that it will take 10 years-it took that long post WWII with Germany and Japan. Not to mention that I think in the backs of the administrations minds all this time is setting up a permanent base in Iraq, to have troops stationed in the region-much like we kept troops in Germany to have them in the region during the cold war.

I figure the troops will have a draw down at some point, but I am thinking there will be a military prescense there for as long as they will let us stay.

I don't think an honest assessment of the conditions in Iraq today quite match that description.

Of course, "don't invade Russia in the first place" was a little obsolete by then.

The point of Bush's critics is that the Iraq War was a dumb idea in the first place, and that its pitfalls were obvious to anybody who cared to think about them. What to *do* with the broken earthenware from Pottery Barn is not a question that anyone's going to have any great answers to, because we're in a situation without great answers.

I don't think you can do it. The problem with the napalm throwers like you is that you criticize anything anyone else does, but have no ideas of your own.

It's time for all you Young Republicans to sign up and fight in this "CLUSTER". Feel free to do something Bush,Cheney and his Neo con handlers didn't do ie serve. Or is it as Cheney said .." I had other things to do"