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	<title>Comments on: Russia Invades South Ossetia, Georgia Shoots Down Russian Planes</title>
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		<title>By: Georgia-Russia Conflict : Urbanagora</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/russia_invades_south_ossetia/comment-page-2/#comment-503484</link>
		<dc:creator>Georgia-Russia Conflict : Urbanagora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] know enough to comment intelligently, but for those who are interested, James Joyner has a comprehensive summary of what&#8217;s gone on so far and what it means. One thing I&#8217;ll say is that it&#8217;s stuff [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] know enough to comment intelligently, but for those who are interested, James Joyner has a comprehensive summary of what&#8217;s gone on so far and what it means. One thing I&#8217;ll say is that it&#8217;s stuff [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Obioma Igwenyere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obioma Igwenyere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Russia is trying to play down on the sovereignity of the Republic of Georgia.Every nation stands to enjoy her independence through the exercise of her severeign powers devoid of external entanglements.Please,Putin and Dimitry should withdraw their forces from Georgia.Europeans should guide against sub- imperialism in the East.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Russia is trying to play down on the sovereignity of the Republic of Georgia.Every nation stands to enjoy her independence through the exercise of her severeign powers devoid of external entanglements.Please,Putin and Dimitry should withdraw their forces from Georgia.Europeans should guide against sub- imperialism in the East.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And why is a lot of the European and American press talking about Georgian casualties but says nothing about the 2000 who died in South Osetia and those who have suffered shell shock.&lt;/blockquote&gt;When we talk about Georgian casualties, we are including South Ossetian casualties because, wait for it, South Ossetia is a part of Georgia.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think Russia did the right thing by protecting South Ossetia.&lt;/blockquote&gt;So you say.  I can&#039;t help but think you&#039;d have a different opinion if you were on a different side of the invasion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And why is a lot of the European and American press talking about Georgian casualties but says nothing about the 2000 who died in South Osetia and those who have suffered shell shock.</p></blockquote>
<p>When we talk about Georgian casualties, we are including South Ossetian casualties because, wait for it, South Ossetia is a part of Georgia.</p>
<blockquote><p>I think Russia did the right thing by protecting South Ossetia.</p></blockquote>
<p>So you say.  I can't help but think you'd have a different opinion if you were on a different side of the invasion.</p>
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		<title>By: Mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt its the soldiers who have the problems stoping fire. Its the Georgian president who needs to answer for his crimes. Can anyone explain to me why the US is protecting this war criminal whereas it let another be hanged publicly? Please explain to me why presidents of some countries cannot be blamed for their actions but others can. 
And why is a lot of the European and American press talking about Georgian casualties but says nothing about the 2000 who died in South Osetia and those who have suffered shell shock. 
Can someone explain to me how after all this any country who stands by and watches all those people die (Georgian or otherwise) can be calling for peace when they cower in the background? 
I think Russia did the right thing by protecting South Ossetia. My sources claim that this is indeed what happened and that attacks on Georgia only took place on a millitary base levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt its the soldiers who have the problems stoping fire. Its the Georgian president who needs to answer for his crimes. Can anyone explain to me why the US is protecting this war criminal whereas it let another be hanged publicly? Please explain to me why presidents of some countries cannot be blamed for their actions but others can.<br />
And why is a lot of the European and American press talking about Georgian casualties but says nothing about the 2000 who died in South Osetia and those who have suffered shell shock.<br />
Can someone explain to me how after all this any country who stands by and watches all those people die (Georgian or otherwise) can be calling for peace when they cower in the background?<br />
I think Russia did the right thing by protecting South Ossetia. My sources claim that this is indeed what happened and that attacks on Georgia only took place on a millitary base levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Marina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Too hot for sex, therefore excess male hormones driving them all nuts?&quot;

Actually, it&#039;s economy, stupid. Majority of the population is struggling to make ends meet. Drugs and alcohol are the means of escape. People, especially young people, do not have an escape from the current bleak economic conditions but to drink themselves to death, drive fast cars on the mountain roads or fight for whatever course sounds best at the time. If you have nothing to loose... That&#039;s the story behind most of the violence in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Too hot for sex, therefore excess male hormones driving them all nuts?"</p>
<p>Actually, it's economy, stupid. Majority of the population is struggling to make ends meet. Drugs and alcohol are the means of escape. People, especially young people, do not have an escape from the current bleak economic conditions but to drink themselves to death, drive fast cars on the mountain roads or fight for whatever course sounds best at the time. If you have nothing to loose... That's the story behind most of the violence in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Geez, we can manipulate hundreds of soldiers to shoot at each other, but we can&#039;t get a couple of parishes to just unite and become one political system (combine north and south) and let them be a small nation?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Getting people to stop fighting is infinitely more difficult than getting them to start fighting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Geez, we can manipulate hundreds of soldiers to shoot at each other, but we can't get a couple of parishes to just unite and become one political system (combine north and south) and let them be a small nation?</p></blockquote>
<p>Getting people to stop fighting is infinitely more difficult than getting them to start fighting.</p>
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		<title>By: RequiredName</title>
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		<dc:creator>RequiredName</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, we can manipulate hundreds of soldiers to shoot at each other, but we can&#039;t get a couple of parishes to just unite and become one political system (combine north and south) and let them be a small nation?

Is lack of air conditioning making them loose their minds?  Too hot for sex, therefore excess male hormones driving them all nuts?  What the hell is Russia worried about, do you think you have to get any closer than Turkey?  Can we take the word of the Russians that some should not be trusted with weapons?  Sounds like the last thing that needs to be oppressed is the press?

Get a grip people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, we can manipulate hundreds of soldiers to shoot at each other, but we can't get a couple of parishes to just unite and become one political system (combine north and south) and let them be a small nation?</p>
<p>Is lack of air conditioning making them loose their minds?  Too hot for sex, therefore excess male hormones driving them all nuts?  What the hell is Russia worried about, do you think you have to get any closer than Turkey?  Can we take the word of the Russians that some should not be trusted with weapons?  Sounds like the last thing that needs to be oppressed is the press?</p>
<p>Get a grip people.</p>
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		<title>By: Open Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the media and others are misinformed as to what the people of South Ossetia are attempting to achieve. They are not wanting to break away from Russia. There intent is to unify with North Ossetia and become part of the Russian Federation. Georgia&#039;s intent is to claim South Ossetian territory as their own. 

See the following article by the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/3797729.stm

&quot;...(South Ossetian President Eduard Kokoiti)  businessman and former communist, holds Russian citizenship.

He has angered Tbilisi by stating his aim to be the unification of North and South Ossetia within the Russian Federation. He describes Russia as the main guarantor of stability in the Caucasus and has strong ties with the like-minded Abkhaz leadership.

He has warned Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili against aggressive Georgian nationalism and insists that the people of South Ossetia do not regard themselves as part of Georgia.&quot;

See this article by the AP:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i7wB5Uxre-eHOI61jE5CZyRbV5QgD92EHPAG0

Once again, oil interests intermingle with military aggressions. Let us also not lose sight that the Bush family is an oil family and Putin has significant interests in Gazprom of Russia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the media and others are misinformed as to what the people of South Ossetia are attempting to achieve. They are not wanting to break away from Russia. There intent is to unify with North Ossetia and become part of the Russian Federation. Georgia's intent is to claim South Ossetian territory as their own. </p>
<p>See the following article by the BBC:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/3797729.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/3797729.stm</a></p>
<p>"...(South Ossetian President Eduard Kokoiti)  businessman and former communist, holds Russian citizenship.</p>
<p>He has angered Tbilisi by stating his aim to be the unification of North and South Ossetia within the Russian Federation. He describes Russia as the main guarantor of stability in the Caucasus and has strong ties with the like-minded Abkhaz leadership.</p>
<p>He has warned Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili against aggressive Georgian nationalism and insists that the people of South Ossetia do not regard themselves as part of Georgia."</p>
<p>See this article by the AP:</p>
<p><a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i7wB5Uxre-eHOI61jE5CZyRbV5QgD92EHPAG0" rel="nofollow">http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i7wB5Uxre-eHOI61jE5CZyRbV5QgD92EHPAG0</a></p>
<p>Once again, oil interests intermingle with military aggressions. Let us also not lose sight that the Bush family is an oil family and Putin has significant interests in Gazprom of Russia.</p>
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		<title>By: Open Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Caucasus region has been in conflict for a very very long time. For decades, boundary issues have been waged between some combination of Georgia, South Ossetia, Russia, North Ossetia, Ingushetia, and Chechnya. These are multiple sub-plots being played out simultaneously. Remember the bombing of the school in Beslan several years ago? That was instigated by the Ingush in North Ossetia and largely was a continuation of their claim for territories they claim belong to them which are currently assigned to North Ossetia which is under the arm of Russia. These are historical clashes of cultures, religions, and territorial boundaries. This territory is dangerously close to the middle east. So, yes, this is an extremely complex and dangerous turn of events.

My relatives are from North Ossetia. South Ossetia is a very poor country that - should they truly desire to break away from Russia - would have a great deal of difficulty financially sustaining and defending itself. It is largely an agrarian-based economy. They certainly have no means of defending themselves from an attack by Georgian troops. The only hope they have for protection is to have the Russian troops come to their defense. Currently, displaced South Ossetians are flooding over the borders into North Ossetia seeking refuge. 

Let us remember that the Bush administration is anxious to get/keep a military toe-hold in Georgia, as it is a strategic access point into the middle east. He is supporting their bid into NATO for his own potential gains or gains he feels are critical however misguided his ideas may or may not be. The US seems to be reluctantly to learn the lesson that you need to be careful who you crawl into bed with as they can be the most dangerous of bed partners in the not-too-distant future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Caucasus region has been in conflict for a very very long time. For decades, boundary issues have been waged between some combination of Georgia, South Ossetia, Russia, North Ossetia, Ingushetia, and Chechnya. These are multiple sub-plots being played out simultaneously. Remember the bombing of the school in Beslan several years ago? That was instigated by the Ingush in North Ossetia and largely was a continuation of their claim for territories they claim belong to them which are currently assigned to North Ossetia which is under the arm of Russia. These are historical clashes of cultures, religions, and territorial boundaries. This territory is dangerously close to the middle east. So, yes, this is an extremely complex and dangerous turn of events.</p>
<p>My relatives are from North Ossetia. South Ossetia is a very poor country that - should they truly desire to break away from Russia - would have a great deal of difficulty financially sustaining and defending itself. It is largely an agrarian-based economy. They certainly have no means of defending themselves from an attack by Georgian troops. The only hope they have for protection is to have the Russian troops come to their defense. Currently, displaced South Ossetians are flooding over the borders into North Ossetia seeking refuge. </p>
<p>Let us remember that the Bush administration is anxious to get/keep a military toe-hold in Georgia, as it is a strategic access point into the middle east. He is supporting their bid into NATO for his own potential gains or gains he feels are critical however misguided his ideas may or may not be. The US seems to be reluctantly to learn the lesson that you need to be careful who you crawl into bed with as they can be the most dangerous of bed partners in the not-too-distant future.</p>
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		<title>By: Russian Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russian Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m form Russia, I have relatives in Georgia.
Just saw BBC news. I&#039;m shocked, BBC news reports are all lies. How is that?

Why are they lying?
Georgia&#039;s leadership is fascism, they don&#039;t want peace, they killed ossetians back in 90-s and they want to kill them now.
Stop this lies or God will stop you.

Why you don&#039;t say that it is Georgian troops who used heavy artillery and attacked South Ossetia on 8th August?

Why you don&#039;t say that more than 2000 south ossetia civilians are killed as a result.

Why you don&#039;t say that more than 30 thousands ossetians leaved their homes to save from Georgia&#039;s genocide?.

Why you don&#039;t say that it&#039;s Georgia&#039;s troops who attacks refugees?

It&#039;s Russia who tries to save them and keep piece in the region.

I have relatives in Georgia  and I&#039;m not just supporting Russia. I can tell for sure that BBC and CNN news reports are all lies.

I&#039;m against Georgia&#039;s militarism and fascism. Please stop this lies, please stop this madness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm form Russia, I have relatives in Georgia.<br />
Just saw BBC news. I'm shocked, BBC news reports are all lies. How is that?</p>
<p>Why are they lying?<br />
Georgia's leadership is fascism, they don't want peace, they killed ossetians back in 90-s and they want to kill them now.<br />
Stop this lies or God will stop you.</p>
<p>Why you don't say that it is Georgian troops who used heavy artillery and attacked South Ossetia on 8th August?</p>
<p>Why you don't say that more than 2000 south ossetia civilians are killed as a result.</p>
<p>Why you don't say that more than 30 thousands ossetians leaved their homes to save from Georgia's genocide?.</p>
<p>Why you don't say that it's Georgia's troops who attacks refugees?</p>
<p>It's Russia who tries to save them and keep piece in the region.</p>
<p>I have relatives in Georgia  and I'm not just supporting Russia. I can tell for sure that BBC and CNN news reports are all lies.</p>
<p>I'm against Georgia's militarism and fascism. Please stop this lies, please stop this madness.</p>
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		<title>By: Camera&#8217;s today are superfast and supersensitive &#171; My agnostic views &#38; images I like</title>
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		<dc:creator>Camera&#8217;s today are superfast and supersensitive &#171; My agnostic views &#38; images I like</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Russia Invades South Ossetia, Georgia Shoots Down Russian Planes      This entry was written by BobG in Vancouver and posted on August 9, 2008 at 10:58 am and filed under about death, blogging, photos/images, the news, thinking about politics. Bookmark the permalink. Follow any comments here with the RSS feed for this post. Trackbacks are closed, but you can post a comment.    &#171; An exceptional collection of photos Beijing&#160;08/08/08 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Argghhh! The Home Of Two Of Jonah's Military Guys..</title>
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		<dc:creator>Argghhh! The Home Of Two Of Jonah's Military Guys..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;From Russia With Love, Pt 2...&lt;/strong&gt;

Yesterday started reporting the Russia-Georgian conflict.&#160; Reporting seems very limited coming out of the area though Russian news is all over it, blaming the Georgians for an unprovoked attack on Russian &quot;peacekeepers&quot;.&#160; Georgians ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>From Russia With Love, Pt 2...</strong></p>
<p>Yesterday started reporting the Russia-Georgian conflict.  Reporting seems very limited coming out of the area though Russian news is all over it, blaming the Georgians for an unprovoked attack on Russian &quot;peacekeepers&quot;.  Georgians ...</p>
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		<title>By: Saakishvili on CNN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saakishvili on CNN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Russia Invades South Ossetia, Georgia Shoots Down Russian Planes [...]</description>
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		<title>By: cirby</title>
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		<dc:creator>cirby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is not true. Georgia started war against separatists at night before Olympic Games. They killed 1400 civilians. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, according to one source.  Not a reliable one, either.

...and the Russians have been preparing for the invasion for quite a while.  They managed to get 150 armored vehicles 100 km into South Ossetia in less than a day.  No, this isn&#039;t possible.  They&#039;ve been preparing for this for MONTHS.

And for those of you who think they haven&#039;t invaded yet (talking to you, Marina), we&#039;ve had video of the Russian tanks rolling in to South Ossetia since yesterday, less than 24 hours since the Georgian attack.

Come back to us when your news sources don&#039;t include ones controlled by Moscow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is not true. Georgia started war against separatists at night before Olympic Games. They killed 1400 civilians. </p></blockquote>
<p>Well, according to one source.  Not a reliable one, either.</p>
<p>...and the Russians have been preparing for the invasion for quite a while.  They managed to get 150 armored vehicles 100 km into South Ossetia in less than a day.  No, this isn't possible.  They've been preparing for this for MONTHS.</p>
<p>And for those of you who think they haven't invaded yet (talking to you, Marina), we've had video of the Russian tanks rolling in to South Ossetia since yesterday, less than 24 hours since the Georgian attack.</p>
<p>Come back to us when your news sources don't include ones controlled by Moscow...</p>
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		<title>By: A Bama Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Bama Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 04:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;War breaks out between Georgia and Russia...&lt;/strong&gt;

What timing. Yesterday, I suggested that the U.S. could stand to be a little more cautious in its support for Georgian accession into NATO. Today, we saw a stunning example of why such caution is warranted.

James Joyner has a link-rich rundown of .....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>War breaks out between Georgia and Russia...</strong></p>
<p>What timing. Yesterday, I suggested that the U.S. could stand to be a little more cautious in its support for Georgian accession into NATO. Today, we saw a stunning example of why such caution is warranted.</p>
<p>James Joyner has a link-rich rundown of .....</p>
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