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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/sanchez_lambasts_handling_of_war/comment-page-1/#comment-187089</link>
		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Great line of reasoning G.A, Phillips -- we invaded a country to give them freedom and out problem is that we gave them too much freedom.

With this thinking no wonder our country is in trouble.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ya I know liberals don&#039;t know poop about freedom, nor do Muslims, and of course using your great line of reasoning once agian you blame the problem on another line of reasoning insteed of the reason.

you people are truly amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Great line of reasoning G.A, Phillips -- we invaded a country to give them freedom and out problem is that we gave them too much freedom.</p>
<p>With this thinking no wonder our country is in trouble.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ya I know liberals don't know poop about freedom, nor do Muslims, and of course using your great line of reasoning once agian you blame the problem on another line of reasoning insteed of the reason.</p>
<p>you people are truly amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think many folks were spun by the AP report that misreports the General&#039;s comments.

General Sanchez&#039;s &lt;i&gt;nightmare&lt;/i&gt; (as reported by the AP) isn&#039;t about the conduct of the war, per se, but rather about the nightmare of incompetent strategic leadership that includes Capitol Hill.

&lt;blockquote&gt;There has been a glaring, unfortunate, display of incompetent strategic leadership within our national leaders. As a Japanese proverb says, “action without vision is a nightmare” there is no question that &lt;i&gt;America is living A nightmare with no end in sight&lt;/i&gt;.

Since 2003, the politics of war have been characterized by partisanship as the republican and democratic parties struggled for power in washington. National efforts to date have been corrupted by partisan politics that have prevented us from devising effective, executable, supportable solutions. At times, these partisan struggles have led to political decisions that endangered the lives of our sons and daughters on the battlefield. &lt;b&gt;The unmistakable message was that political power had greater priority than our national security objectives.&lt;/b&gt; Overcoming this strategic failure is the first step toward achieving victory in Iraq - without bipartisan cooperation we are doomed to fail. &lt;b&gt;There is nothing going on today in Washington that would give us hope.&lt;/b&gt;

- General Sanchez&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Funny how the AP made it sound different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many folks were spun by the AP report that misreports the General's comments.</p>
<p>General Sanchez's <i>nightmare</i> (as reported by the AP) isn't about the conduct of the war, per se, but rather about the nightmare of incompetent strategic leadership that includes Capitol Hill.</p>
<blockquote><p>There has been a glaring, unfortunate, display of incompetent strategic leadership within our national leaders. As a Japanese proverb says, “action without vision is a nightmare” there is no question that <i>America is living A nightmare with no end in sight</i>.</p>
<p>Since 2003, the politics of war have been characterized by partisanship as the republican and democratic parties struggled for power in washington. National efforts to date have been corrupted by partisan politics that have prevented us from devising effective, executable, supportable solutions. At times, these partisan struggles have led to political decisions that endangered the lives of our sons and daughters on the battlefield. <b>The unmistakable message was that political power had greater priority than our national security objectives.</b> Overcoming this strategic failure is the first step toward achieving victory in Iraq - without bipartisan cooperation we are doomed to fail. <b>There is nothing going on today in Washington that would give us hope.</b></p>
<p>- General Sanchez</p></blockquote>
<p>Funny how the AP made it sound different.</p>
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		<title>By: spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great line of reasoning G.A, Phillips -- we invaded a country to give them freedom and out problem is that we gave them too much freedom.

With this thinking no wonder our country is in trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great line of reasoning G.A, Phillips -- we invaded a country to give them freedom and out problem is that we gave them too much freedom.</p>
<p>With this thinking no wonder our country is in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And *what* &quot;liberals in power&quot; at the &quot;outset&quot;?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

the ones holding office who voted for the war and then backstabbed our troops. I new that they did not mean what they where voting.
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;This war was undertaken with broad support that has steadily eroded as it became clearer and clearer that the administration wasn&#039;t sure what it was doing. The looting of Baghdad being a good starting spot.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t rember it this way, but I do remember thinking form the outset that media could not possibly understand what it was doing.

soory that you did not understand that this was my impression and I am mighty sure that I have seen what I seen.

you do know that the looting of Baghad was one of the most hyped stories in history till a few idiots stated to have liberal sex sessions in a prison one night, and by who, and for what. please do not think that a rewriting of history can&#039;t happen right before your eyes and that you might believe it.

Its called good propaganda.

I will agree that this war could have gone better and that we gave the pepole of Iraq to much freedom all at once, but dont you think it&#039;s far to easy of a siting of the Liberals game of blame that most avarge people have been tricked into playing or one might say conditioned for, talk about missleading the country, talk about playing on our fears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And *what* "liberals in power" at the "outset"?</p></blockquote>
<p>the ones holding office who voted for the war and then backstabbed our troops. I new that they did not mean what they where voting.</p>
<blockquote><p>This war was undertaken with broad support that has steadily eroded as it became clearer and clearer that the administration wasn't sure what it was doing. The looting of Baghdad being a good starting spot.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't rember it this way, but I do remember thinking form the outset that media could not possibly understand what it was doing.</p>
<p>soory that you did not understand that this was my impression and I am mighty sure that I have seen what I seen.</p>
<p>you do know that the looting of Baghad was one of the most hyped stories in history till a few idiots stated to have liberal sex sessions in a prison one night, and by who, and for what. please do not think that a rewriting of history can't happen right before your eyes and that you might believe it.</p>
<p>Its called good propaganda.</p>
<p>I will agree that this war could have gone better and that we gave the pepole of Iraq to much freedom all at once, but dont you think it's far to easy of a siting of the Liberals game of blame that most avarge people have been tricked into playing or one might say conditioned for, talk about missleading the country, talk about playing on our fears.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The general who presided over the Abu Ghraib scandal&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Considering how much the right is supposed to respect generals, they sure love to hide behind them. President Bush presided over the Abu Ghraib scandal. The buck stops there, no matter how many patises are set up to take the fall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The general who presided over the Abu Ghraib scandal</p></blockquote>
<p>Considering how much the right is supposed to respect generals, they sure love to hide behind them. President Bush presided over the Abu Ghraib scandal. The buck stops there, no matter how many patises are set up to take the fall...</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 02:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson makes a valid point:  there were no Liberals in power at the onset, if by &quot;in power&quot; one means in control of one of the three branches.  Of course, even if we construe &quot;in power&quot; to mean those in important elected positions, one should recall that the President was able to get the AUMF with a great deal of Democratic support (indeed, to the chagrin of some currently running for President).

This war was undertaken with broad support that has steadily eroded as it became clearer and clearer that the administration wasn&#039;t sure what it was doing.  The looting of Baghdad being a good starting spot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson makes a valid point:  there were no Liberals in power at the onset, if by "in power" one means in control of one of the three branches.  Of course, even if we construe "in power" to mean those in important elected positions, one should recall that the President was able to get the AUMF with a great deal of Democratic support (indeed, to the chagrin of some currently running for President).</p>
<p>This war was undertaken with broad support that has steadily eroded as it became clearer and clearer that the administration wasn't sure what it was doing.  The looting of Baghdad being a good starting spot.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;the undermining of it from the outset by the liberals in power and their media&lt;/em&gt; 

In all fairness, G.A., did you read the comment thread?  Professor Taylor, no bleeding-heart liberal the last I checked, recognized that the media were highly supportive of the war at its outset.

And *what* &quot;liberals in power&quot; at the &quot;outset&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>the undermining of it from the outset by the liberals in power and their media</em> </p>
<p>In all fairness, G.A., did you read the comment thread?  Professor Taylor, no bleeding-heart liberal the last I checked, recognized that the media were highly supportive of the war at its outset.</p>
<p>And *what* "liberals in power" at the "outset"?</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all fairness, and if the war was planed as bad as most of you and Sanchez are saying, do you think that the undermining of it from the outset by the liberals in power and their media could of caused even more dammage then it should have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all fairness, and if the war was planed as bad as most of you and Sanchez are saying, do you think that the undermining of it from the outset by the liberals in power and their media could of caused even more dammage then it should have?</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_10/012252.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kevin Drum&lt;/a&gt; highlights some hilarity from the speech:

&lt;em&gt;Let me review some of the descriptive phrases that have been used by some of you that have made my personal interfaces with the press corps difficult:

-&quot;Dictatorial and &lt;strong&gt;somewhat dense&lt;/strong&gt;,&quot;

-&quot;Not a strategic thought,&quot;

-Liar,

-&quot;&lt;strong&gt;Does not get it&lt;/strong&gt;,&quot; and

-The most inexperienced LTG.

&lt;strong&gt;In some cases I have never even met you&lt;/strong&gt;, yet you feel qualified to make character judgments that are communicated to the world.&lt;/em&gt; 

So, apparently, if one hasn&#039;t actually *met* Sanchez, one can&#039;t make judgments like the above?

That&#039;s odd, because merely *reading* his remarks leads me to believe that some of those judgments are in fact true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_10/012252.php" rel="nofollow">Kevin Drum</a> highlights some hilarity from the speech:</p>
<p><em>Let me review some of the descriptive phrases that have been used by some of you that have made my personal interfaces with the press corps difficult:</p>
<p>-"Dictatorial and <strong>somewhat dense</strong>,"</p>
<p>-"Not a strategic thought,"</p>
<p>-Liar,</p>
<p>-"<strong>Does not get it</strong>," and</p>
<p>-The most inexperienced LTG.</p>
<p><strong>In some cases I have never even met you</strong>, yet you feel qualified to make character judgments that are communicated to the world.</em> </p>
<p>So, apparently, if one hasn't actually *met* Sanchez, one can't make judgments like the above?</p>
<p>That's odd, because merely *reading* his remarks leads me to believe that some of those judgments are in fact true.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points by Prof. Taylor.  The beginning of any media dissent, IIRC, was the looting of Baghdad, paired w/ Rumsfeld&#039;s &quot;stuff happens.&quot;  And even then, it took a while to become respectable.

If Bush had been the kind of person to fire Rumsfeld that week, possibly the occupation might have had some sort of chance.

For &quot;inability to construct,&quot; however, I would substitute &quot;lack of any interest in constructing.&quot;  Unity was not in Rove&#039;s 2004 electoral gameplan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points by Prof. Taylor.  The beginning of any media dissent, IIRC, was the looting of Baghdad, paired w/ Rumsfeld's "stuff happens."  And even then, it took a while to become respectable.</p>
<p>If Bush had been the kind of person to fire Rumsfeld that week, possibly the occupation might have had some sort of chance.</p>
<p>For "inability to construct," however, I would substitute "lack of any interest in constructing."  Unity was not in Rove's 2004 electoral gameplan.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, to be fair, the press was far from antagonistic in the beginning.  Indeed, the press was generally quite supportive.

And it reads to me like the &quot;unity of effort&quot; problem as he is addressing it flowed from the administration and its inability to construct that unity of effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, to be fair, the press was far from antagonistic in the beginning.  Indeed, the press was generally quite supportive.</p>
<p>And it reads to me like the "unity of effort" problem as he is addressing it flowed from the administration and its inability to construct that unity of effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I think he&#039;s tarring with a broad brush and calling for “unity of effort”.&lt;/em&gt;

Great, he&#039;s turning into David Broder.

&quot;Unity of effort&quot; towards *what*?  What *kind* of effort?

&lt;i&gt;if the U.S. were to withdraw from Iraq, it would lead to “chaos that would lead to instability in the Middle East.”&lt;/i&gt;

As opposed to what we have now?

Either Iraq is FUBAR, or it&#039;s not.  A hard call, I realize.  But I don&#039;t care for the logic of those who say the only way to find out which, is to stay there &amp; see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I think he's tarring with a broad brush and calling for “unity of effort”.</em></p>
<p>Great, he's turning into David Broder.</p>
<p>"Unity of effort" towards *what*?  What *kind* of effort?</p>
<p><i>if the U.S. were to withdraw from Iraq, it would lead to “chaos that would lead to instability in the Middle East.”</i></p>
<p>As opposed to what we have now?</p>
<p>Either Iraq is FUBAR, or it's not.  A hard call, I realize.  But I don't care for the logic of those who say the only way to find out which, is to stay there &amp; see.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, I don&#039;t think that Gen. Sanchez is singling out the media, the Congress, or the president.  I think he&#039;s tarring with a broad brush and calling for &#147;unity of effort&#148;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I don't think that Gen. Sanchez is singling out the media, the Congress, or the president.  I think he's tarring with a broad brush and calling for &#8220;unity of effort&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanchez nd the press&#8217; willingness to ignore it&#8217;s own faults &#124; BitsBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanchez nd the press&#8217; willingness to ignore it&#8217;s own faults &#124; BitsBlog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] See also The Strata-Sphere  Powerline  ScrappleFace  Right Truth, QandO,  The Belmont Club   The Jawa Report,  Outside The Beltway, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] See also The Strata-Sphere  Powerline  ScrappleFace  Right Truth, QandO,  The Belmont Club   The Jawa Report,  Outside The Beltway, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Over the course of this war tactically insignificant events have become strategic defeats for America&lt;/em&gt;

The incomprehension here is vivid from the vocabulary itself.  What&#039;s insignificant at the level of tactics may very well be of enormous strategic import, even within the confines of what&#039;s strictly military.

But given that the occupation of Iraq was, &lt;i&gt;first and foremost&lt;/i&gt;, a political struggle - which I think should be obvious to us all - then the tortures at Abu Ghraib were, quite obviously, a huge self-inflicted defeat.

Does Sanchez really imagine it could&#039;ve been otherwise, simply if the American people hadn&#039;t heard about them?  Because the Iraqi people already knew, or were going to know, simply because we didn&#039;t shoot dead everyone we stripped naked and walked around on a leash.  The shame of the victims was only going to provide cover for so long.

Even in his denunciations, Sanchez confirms the characterization of him as having a &quot;conventional warfare mentality,&quot; and the most damning indictment of Bush and Rumsfeld is that *this* is the man they sent over, with Bremer, to handle their occupation.  Courts-martial, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Over the course of this war tactically insignificant events have become strategic defeats for America</em></p>
<p>The incomprehension here is vivid from the vocabulary itself.  What's insignificant at the level of tactics may very well be of enormous strategic import, even within the confines of what's strictly military.</p>
<p>But given that the occupation of Iraq was, <i>first and foremost</i>, a political struggle - which I think should be obvious to us all - then the tortures at Abu Ghraib were, quite obviously, a huge self-inflicted defeat.</p>
<p>Does Sanchez really imagine it could've been otherwise, simply if the American people hadn't heard about them?  Because the Iraqi people already knew, or were going to know, simply because we didn't shoot dead everyone we stripped naked and walked around on a leash.  The shame of the victims was only going to provide cover for so long.</p>
<p>Even in his denunciations, Sanchez confirms the characterization of him as having a "conventional warfare mentality," and the most damning indictment of Bush and Rumsfeld is that *this* is the man they sent over, with Bremer, to handle their occupation.  Courts-martial, indeed.</p>
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