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	<title>Comments on: Sandy Berger to Plead Guilty To Taking Classified Paper</title>
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		<title>By: Rod Stanton</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/sandy_berger_to_plead_guilty_to_taking_classified_paper_washingtonpostcom/comment-page-1/#comment-41319</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 01:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy should be making little rocks out of big ones for the next 15 years. Bush is too soft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy should be making little rocks out of big ones for the next 15 years. Bush is too soft.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Stanton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 20:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy got a very weak plea bargan from W&#039;s guys. He will do no hard time and pay a trivial fine! W has gone soft. Sandy should be spending the next 15 years making little rocks out of big rocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy got a very weak plea bargan from W's guys. He will do no hard time and pay a trivial fine! W has gone soft. Sandy should be spending the next 15 years making little rocks out of big rocks.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dusty Attic</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dusty Attic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 19:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt; Socks Burger to plead guilty! Not good enough!&lt;/strong&gt;
This Sandy &quot;Socks&quot; Berger episode was disgraceful. This plea agreement is worse. I think the judge in the case, after review, ought to reject it. Worst of all, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong> Socks Burger to plead guilty! Not good enough!</strong><br />
This Sandy "Socks" Berger episode was disgraceful. This plea agreement is worse. I think the judge in the case, after review, ought to reject it. Worst of all, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dodd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just some guy: I listed some cases from the past in my post on this (Ipse Dixit Trackback above) in which each person involved got jail time. The closest example is this one:

1988 - David Fleming, Navy Chief Petty Officer, Chief photographer aboard the submarine La Jolla, was convicted for the theft of 16 Secret photographs and four classified training manuals found in his apartment. &quot;Fleming contended that cramped quarters aboard the ship led him to develop photographs at home. Concluding that he knew that the materials, if kept at home, could result in damage to national security, the court convicted Fleming under statutes which apply to acts of espionage. However, no evidence was presented to the court that the Chief Petty Officer had intended to provide classified materials to representatives of another country.&quot; He was sentenced to four years confinement and given a bad conduct discharge from the Navy; he served about 1 1/2 years.

Note the differences. CPO Fleming was not suspected of even intending to do anything wrong with the TS documents in question apart from the security breach itself and got charged with Espionage. Berger admitted not only taking the documents but destroying them and got to cop a plea for a misdemeanor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just some guy: I listed some cases from the past in my post on this (Ipse Dixit Trackback above) in which each person involved got jail time. The closest example is this one:</p>
<p>1988 - David Fleming, Navy Chief Petty Officer, Chief photographer aboard the submarine La Jolla, was convicted for the theft of 16 Secret photographs and four classified training manuals found in his apartment. "Fleming contended that cramped quarters aboard the ship led him to develop photographs at home. Concluding that he knew that the materials, if kept at home, could result in damage to national security, the court convicted Fleming under statutes which apply to acts of espionage. However, no evidence was presented to the court that the Chief Petty Officer had intended to provide classified materials to representatives of another country." He was sentenced to four years confinement and given a bad conduct discharge from the Navy; he served about 1 1/2 years.</p>
<p>Note the differences. CPO Fleming was not suspected of even intending to do anything wrong with the TS documents in question apart from the security breach itself and got charged with Espionage. Berger admitted not only taking the documents but destroying them and got to cop a plea for a misdemeanor.</p>
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		<title>By: Just some guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just some guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His lawyers cost much more than the fine he received.  Oops, they aren&#039;t HIS lawyers, are they?  Ever wonder why the same three attorneys always pop up in these sleazy escapades?

You are absolutely correct, an unconnected individual would be facing a trial or plea that guaranteed serious time in a P.Y.I.T.A. Federal prison.  Instead, Berger walks.

Has anyone actually taken a moment to look up a person from Westlaw convicted of the same offense?  Might be nice to compare and contrast how the mighty are treated versus the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His lawyers cost much more than the fine he received.  Oops, they aren't HIS lawyers, are they?  Ever wonder why the same three attorneys always pop up in these sleazy escapades?</p>
<p>You are absolutely correct, an unconnected individual would be facing a trial or plea that guaranteed serious time in a P.Y.I.T.A. Federal prison.  Instead, Berger walks.</p>
<p>Has anyone actually taken a moment to look up a person from Westlaw convicted of the same offense?  Might be nice to compare and contrast how the mighty are treated versus the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: JackLewis.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>JackLewis.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 16:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Today&#039;s blog roundup&lt;/strong&gt;
Links marked with an asterisk (*) are ones I found particularly good. Sandy Burger pleads guilty, well, sort of: La...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Today's blog roundup</strong><br />
Links marked with an asterisk (*) are ones I found particularly good. Sandy Burger pleads guilty, well, sort of: La...</p>
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		<title>By: Don Singleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 16:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Berger Will Plead Guilty&lt;/strong&gt;
Why let him plea bargain? He should be in prison.</description>
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Why let him plea bargain? He should be in prison.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$10,000. that&#039;s chump change....figuring what he&#039;ll probably get in upfront money for his book deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$10,000. that's chump change....figuring what he'll probably get in upfront money for his book deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Carlet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Carlet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makes me wonder who will pay his fine? Hmmm, follow the money??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes me wonder who will pay his fine? Hmmm, follow the money??</p>
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		<title>By: Argghhh! The Home Of Two Of Jonah's Military Guys..</title>
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		<dc:creator>Argghhh! The Home Of Two Of Jonah's Military Guys..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;This is an outrage!&lt;/strong&gt;
HOW DARE THEY! HOW.DARE.THEY! How dare they smear a fine public servant, a loyal Democrat, like Sandy Berger!?! President Clinton *clearly* established the limits of accountability for Party Loyalists. Brief public flogging with wet noodle in public, a...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>This is an outrage!</strong><br />
HOW DARE THEY! HOW.DARE.THEY! How dare they smear a fine public servant, a loyal Democrat, like Sandy Berger!?! President Clinton *clearly* established the limits of accountability for Party Loyalists. Brief public flogging with wet noodle in public, a...</p>
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		<title>By: In the Agora</title>
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		<dc:creator>In the Agora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Outrageous Berger&lt;/strong&gt;
Here at ITA there is a genre of blogging we generally try to avoid. It&#039;s called &quot;PASWO,&quot; or &quot;point at something with outrage.&quot; In spite of our aversion to it that&#039;s precisely what I intend to do in this post,...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Outrageous Berger</strong><br />
Here at ITA there is a genre of blogging we generally try to avoid. It's called "PASWO," or "point at something with outrage." In spite of our aversion to it that's precisely what I intend to do in this post,...</p>
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		<title>By: small dead animals</title>
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		<dc:creator>small dead animals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;An Honest Mistake&lt;/strong&gt;
Former national security adviser Sandy Berger (under Clinton) is going to plead guilty today to having made an &quot;honest mistake&quot; in going to the National Archives and shoving notes and classified documents down his pants, into his jacket and briefcase...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>An Honest Mistake</strong><br />
Former national security adviser Sandy Berger (under Clinton) is going to plead guilty today to having made an "honest mistake" in going to the National Archives and shoving notes and classified documents down his pants, into his jacket and briefcase...</p>
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		<title>By: Bob M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More proof that coverups really do work!  The ones we know about that didn&#039;t work--famously, Watergate, and to a lesser extent, Monica-gate--is a biased sample of all coverups.  The ones that worked best we still don&#039;t know about, and never will.  The only good thing is that there are more eyes and ears around, and the odds that a coverup will fail are a bit lower now (maybe from 95% to 90%, may 30% to 15%--we don&#039;t have the data to know!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More proof that coverups really do work!  The ones we know about that didn't work--famously, Watergate, and to a lesser extent, Monica-gate--is a biased sample of all coverups.  The ones that worked best we still don't know about, and never will.  The only good thing is that there are more eyes and ears around, and the odds that a coverup will fail are a bit lower now (maybe from 95% to 90%, may 30% to 15%--we don't have the data to know!).</p>
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		<title>By: Ipse Dixit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ipse Dixit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Getting Off Light&lt;/strong&gt;
Sandy Berger is going to plead guilty to a misdemeanor count of &quot;unauthorized removal of classified documents from the National...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Getting Off Light</strong><br />
Sandy Berger is going to plead guilty to a misdemeanor count of "unauthorized removal of classified documents from the National...</p>
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		<title>By: Copper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Copper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it amazing that no one who is high up in the Government ever gets prosecuted for their misdeeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn't it amazing that no one who is high up in the Government ever gets prosecuted for their misdeeds.</p>
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