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		<title>By: madmatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>madmatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor tony...he has contacts I am sure he can find something in the private sector!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor tony...he has contacts I am sure he can find something in the private sector!</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr John:  Federal judges have gotten a pay increase EVERY YEAR just like every other federal employee.  The only difference is that they don&#039;t get locality pay like civil service types.

Here are recent pay figures for federal District Court judges (the lowest and by far most common type):

2003: 154,700 
2004: 158,100
2005: 162,100
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/98-53.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;

The article above has it at 165,200 for 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr John:  Federal judges have gotten a pay increase EVERY YEAR just like every other federal employee.  The only difference is that they don't get locality pay like civil service types.</p>
<p>Here are recent pay figures for federal District Court judges (the lowest and by far most common type):</p>
<p>2003: 154,700<br />
2004: 158,100<br />
2005: 162,100<br />
<a href="http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/98-53.pdf" rel="nofollow">source</a></p>
<p>The article above has it at 165,200 for 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: DrJohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrJohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife works for a Federal Judge so I know more than I should.

Federal Judges have not had a pay increase in many many years.  I think it is in excess of 10 years and I&#039;ll check with Ms. Grouchy to see the actual number.  The Judges are paid for life.  Normally Judges get paid well above the average to insure limited interest in bribery, well, taking a bribe.

There is a certain amount of status in being a Federal Judge, but the relative low compensation actually reduces the available pool.  My guess is, if the Judges pay increases kept up with the pay of non Judges they would be getting near $350k at the moment.

Now before you get in a huff, there are only around 1,000 Judges.  They need to be the best available and above reproach.  The cash keeps them honest.

Dr John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife works for a Federal Judge so I know more than I should.</p>
<p>Federal Judges have not had a pay increase in many many years.  I think it is in excess of 10 years and I'll check with Ms. Grouchy to see the actual number.  The Judges are paid for life.  Normally Judges get paid well above the average to insure limited interest in bribery, well, taking a bribe.</p>
<p>There is a certain amount of status in being a Federal Judge, but the relative low compensation actually reduces the available pool.  My guess is, if the Judges pay increases kept up with the pay of non Judges they would be getting near $350k at the moment.</p>
<p>Now before you get in a huff, there are only around 1,000 Judges.  They need to be the best available and above reproach.  The cash keeps them honest.</p>
<p>Dr John</p>
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		<title>By: sluggo</title>
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		<dc:creator>sluggo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“More and more, we cannot attract the really bright lawyers. It’s too much of a sacrifice,” he said.

So how did we end up with your sorry ass, Tony? 
But you have a point. When you pay bottom-dollar for a judge, you get what you pay for. Solution: either out-sourcing or let the market decide. (I learned the latter from Milton Friedman.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“More and more, we cannot attract the really bright lawyers. It&rsquo;s too much of a sacrifice,” he said.</p>
<p>So how did we end up with your sorry ass, Tony?<br />
But you have a point. When you pay bottom-dollar for a judge, you get what you pay for. Solution: either out-sourcing or let the market decide. (I learned the latter from Milton Friedman.)</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bozo:  

Federal district judges make $165,200 a year.  Appeals and Supreme Court judges a bit more.  That&#039;s in the upper percentiles even in Manhattan.

The average house in the DC area is in the same ballpark as in NYC.  Most of us make substantially less than $165k and are doing just fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bozo:  </p>
<p>Federal district judges make $165,200 a year.  Appeals and Supreme Court judges a bit more.  That's in the upper percentiles even in Manhattan.</p>
<p>The average house in the DC area is in the same ballpark as in NYC.  Most of us make substantially less than $165k and are doing just fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Your basic judge has three choices — make a fortune BEFORE becoming a judge, live B&amp;T, &lt;strong&gt;or take bribes&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;

The potential for the latter should not be underestimated; it&#039;s the rule for the judicial profession throughout the ages, not the exception.

Note the rather spooky trajectory of Judge Luttig from the 4th Circuit, now corporate counsel somewhere.  I do NOT suggest any misdeed by him; it&#039;s just a hint that, lifetime app&#039;t or not, judges definitely could see a % in issuing some favorable rulings for megacorps, then getting jobs therewith.

If it&#039;s not happening yet, it will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Your basic judge has three choices — make a fortune BEFORE becoming a judge, live B&amp;T, <strong>or take bribes</strong>.</em></p>
<p>The potential for the latter should not be underestimated; it's the rule for the judicial profession throughout the ages, not the exception.</p>
<p>Note the rather spooky trajectory of Judge Luttig from the 4th Circuit, now corporate counsel somewhere.  I do NOT suggest any misdeed by him; it's just a hint that, lifetime app't or not, judges definitely could see a % in issuing some favorable rulings for megacorps, then getting jobs therewith.</p>
<p>If it's not happening yet, it will.</p>
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		<title>By: BozoRebozo</title>
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		<dc:creator>BozoRebozo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 04:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People -- read up on the real estate market in Manhattan.  Median price, about 750,000 simoleons.  Average, 1.3 Million.  You can&#039;t even buy the median apartment on a Supreme Court Justice&#039;s salary.

And most of the judiciary is paid less.  Your basic judge has three choices -- make a fortune BEFORE becoming a judge, live B&amp;T, or take bribes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People -- read up on the real estate market in Manhattan.  Median price, about 750,000 simoleons.  Average, 1.3 Million.  You can't even buy the median apartment on a Supreme Court Justice's salary.</p>
<p>And most of the judiciary is paid less.  Your basic judge has three choices -- make a fortune BEFORE becoming a judge, live B&amp;T, or take bribes.</p>
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		<title>By: Cernig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cernig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 04:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest we give them all - judges, senators, congresscritters, president and all appointed officials - a pay CUT. To the same pay as a pfc on active service sounds about right. Teach them something about humility as well as service.

Regards, C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest we give them all - judges, senators, congresscritters, president and all appointed officials - a pay CUT. To the same pay as a pfc on active service sounds about right. Teach them something about humility as well as service.</p>
<p>Regards, C</p>
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		<title>By: Wickedpinto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wickedpinto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 02:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, I was making a kerry-esque excuse.

If you don&#039;t study hard, and have low income expectations, then you might end up stuck IN ONE OF THE MORE PRESTIGIOUS POSTS A LAWYER CAN HOLD!

I was hoping that my crude aspect was understand, but I&#039;m not crude here, so I screwed it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, I was making a kerry-esque excuse.</p>
<p>If you don't study hard, and have low income expectations, then you might end up stuck IN ONE OF THE MORE PRESTIGIOUS POSTS A LAWYER CAN HOLD!</p>
<p>I was hoping that my crude aspect was understand, but I'm not crude here, so I screwed it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 02:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is crap.  At least half of the best lawyers would give up their high-paying jobs without a second thought for the opportunity to be a federal judge.  The other half wouldn&#039;t do it for all the money in the world.  Well, maybe -all- the money...

In what world is 160k a year not enough to raise a family, anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is crap.  At least half of the best lawyers would give up their high-paying jobs without a second thought for the opportunity to be a federal judge.  The other half wouldn't do it for all the money in the world.  Well, maybe -all- the money...</p>
<p>In what world is 160k a year not enough to raise a family, anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 02:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t meant as a joke.  Scalia thinks that you can&#039;t raise a family in Manhattan on $165K a year because everyone HE hangs out with earns much more than that.  You know, the private-school-only, country club set.

Also note the dig at career public sector workers--obviously second rate in Scalia&#039;s eyes.  I wonder if he will tell the career MD&#039;s and Ph.D&#039;s at NIH, career staff at the military hospitals and academies,  career foreign service staff in the State Department and long-termers in the Department of Justice that they are all the dregs of the barrel?

What an idiot!  Talk about professional low-life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn't meant as a joke.  Scalia thinks that you can't raise a family in Manhattan on $165K a year because everyone HE hangs out with earns much more than that.  You know, the private-school-only, country club set.</p>
<p>Also note the dig at career public sector workers--obviously second rate in Scalia's eyes.  I wonder if he will tell the career MD's and Ph.D's at NIH, career staff at the military hospitals and academies,  career foreign service staff in the State Department and long-termers in the Department of Justice that they are all the dregs of the barrel?</p>
<p>What an idiot!  Talk about professional low-life.</p>
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		<title>By: Wonkette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wonkette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Rumors On The Internets: Kill What You Eat, Eat What You Kill...&lt;/strong&gt;

 Justice Scalia has never known the agony of interpreting the Constitution on an empty stomach, wants the same for impoverished Federal Judges. [Outside the Beltway] The best idea Tom DeLay has to drive traffic to his blog is blaming......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Rumors On The Internets: Kill What You Eat, Eat What You Kill...</strong></p>
<p> Justice Scalia has never known the agony of interpreting the Constitution on an empty stomach, wants the same for impoverished Federal Judges. [Outside the Beltway] The best idea Tom DeLay has to drive traffic to his blog is blaming......</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson:  True that. Still, this argument has been ongoing for years and I see little evidence that it&#039;s true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson:  True that. Still, this argument has been ongoing for years and I see little evidence that it's true.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Unless we’re having trouble attracting and keeping quality people, though, so what?&lt;/em&gt;

That is, I think, the unspoken premise of the argument.  A justice can&#039;t very readily come out and say &quot;my god, these district judges nowadays are idiots!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Unless we&rsquo;re having trouble attracting and keeping quality people, though, so what?</em></p>
<p>That is, I think, the unspoken premise of the argument.  A justice can't very readily come out and say "my god, these district judges nowadays are idiots!"</p>
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		<title>By: Wickedpinto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wickedpinto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a botched joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a botched joke.</p>
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